Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[tygr]

If you think about it, Trader Joes' chose a location midway between the CBD and the U.

I think they are making a great choice in a first location; especially considering they'll be right in front of a TRAX stop. Easy access, on a main city artery, central to two major population bases, as well as some of the other great points mentioned in previous posts.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I agree. Having Trader Joe's on the west side of downtown would have been a boon to that area. If they could have only had the vision.

There's no way in hell TJs would have opened on the west side. They're locating by Sunflower Market and Whole Foods because there's a critical mass of foodies in the area.

The good thing about TJs, though, is instead of building one large location, they build lots of small locations. This won't be the only TJs in SLC in a few years.

Portland has about 10 of them.

[Future Mayor]

Well said. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Trader Joe's in the Gateway neighborhood within 3-4 years. Once they see success in the market and get a feel for the market, by having a presence, they will explore more non traditional, fits the mold locations. They will have local managment that can guide them on locating new stores.

[(Eco)nomy_404]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

Wow! I am extremely disappointed with the choice of location. Smith's Market Place, Whole Foods, and Sunflower Market are all within 3 blocks of that location. As if another grocery store is needed in the area.

When I lived in California, it was the same way. There was an Andronico`s Market, World Market, Whole Foods, and Trader Joes all within blocks of each other. Trader Joes does pretty well because it is much cheaper than other organic chains such as Whole Foods or World Market. The prices are comparable to a regular grocery store but it offers organic products. I am excited for the new store! They have my favorite lemonade! It`s really thick and pulpy - just the way I like it!

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

These large national retailers, don't just haphazardly pick locations when opening new locations. They have a team or hire team of individuals to scout locations and do large amounts of research as to what location will best fit their needs, what location best meets their demographic criteria. Yes there is a lot of people on the west side of downtown and the west side of the city, but obviously they don't meet the demographic needs of a more niche grocery store like Trader Joe's. There are a lot of low income housing units in the marmalade district, and west downtown, besides West downtown, the rest of the west side of the city is sufficiently served by grocery stores. Smiths on 600 N, Smiths on 400 S, and Viva Market on N. Temple.

There is a reason that SunFlower Market, Whole Foods and now Trader Joe's located where they do. A much larger pool of residents. These location selection teams also have other principals behind location selection, often times they prefer to locate near other grocery stores as they recieve a spill over effect simply based on proximity. A first location in a new market can make or break a chain in that market, and the image that it portrays to the residents.

Smith's and and Viva serve Rose Park and the North-West most section of the marmalade district just great... But that's not what I'm talking about. There is some low income housing in the NW section of the city but there is a lot more to it then that. A lot of the housing around pioneer park ranges from 200k -700k, most of the marmalade district east of 200W is far from low income. There is property in the 1M plus range. The condos at gateway range from the 200s on up. The apartments at gateway are mixed income. The seasons at city creek and bridges at city front are upper mid end apartments that are not low income. The paladiao apartments I'm pretty sure are not low income. And even for some of the lower income apartment buildings in the area.... Why should any of us have to go over to to the Rose Park Smith's

Not to sound rude (And I don't say this lightly because I lived in rose park and shopped there for 13+ years)... But... That smiths is really trashy, they don't have a fresh butcher, and the meet and produce is not even up to par with Albertson's super saver on redwood road. A lot of times I would drive all the way to market place it was so bad. There are a lot of people on the west end of town (me included) who are not low income and have no interest in shopping at the rose park smiths....

Honestly I am ok with going to Harmon's. But I'm sure there are a lot of people on the west side of town who would love a grocery store... It doesn't need to be a trader joes... Even a smiths or fresh market would be ok. I think the open lot on about 360 west north temple would be a good spot. It's centrally located to the west side of town... Especially considering all of the apartments that are popping up in the 600 west area (from what I understand a lot of the property between 300&400 north and 500&600 west is being bought up to make way for a new apartment complex or building of some sort.

[Comrade]

Has anyone ever been to Food World on 1179 Navajo Street in Glendale? That's an interesting, ghetto grocery store. Or it was when I last visited. I love stuff like that.

[Future Mayor]

Yes there are a lot of poeple that live on the west side and west downtown, but as I mentioned they do their research, they pick locations based on what best fits their demographic. Does west downtown need a grocery store? Yes, and it will eventually get one, but for Trader Joe's to open it's first Utah store in west downtown, the Marmalade or Rose Park/N. Temple would have had disastrous results, IMO. Those customers that will make the first store successfull would not be going to the store if it was on the west side. Placing it where they did will make it much more of a household name and will allow them to then expand into more areas. I won't be at at all surprised if something in or near gateway is their next location.

[Comrade]

I'm just glad they're not building it out in the suburbs. It seems most new things that come to the valley are always built outside the city.

[DCRes]

Another article about the Grainery district

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53988846-78/alfandre-district-granary-neighborhood.html.csp

[scottharding]

This is good. A new recycling plant in Salt Lake.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/54226506-79/recycling-metals-group-metro.html.csp

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by scottharding

This is good. A new recycling plant in Salt Lake.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/54226506-79/recycling-metals-group-metro.html.csp

I love recycling, and happy Salt Lake has pushed recycling as much as they have. That is one thing I miss being in Utah, as Idaho hasn't really had curb side recycling. I haven't been doing my part like I would have liked to over the past year and been throwing things in the garbage that should be recycled. But now, that I am moving back to the Salt Lake area tomorrow, I can get back in the habit.

[Cottonwood]

Originally Posted by StevenF

I love recycling and happy Salt Lake has pushed recycling as much as they have. That is one thing I miss being in Utah as Idaho hasn't really had curb side recycling. I haven't been doing my part like I would have liked to over the past year and been throwing things in the garbage that should be recycled. But now that I am moving back to the Salt Lake area tomorrow I can get back in the habit.

You have to get your facts straight before making blanket statements....it all depends on the city you are living in and if they offer curbside recycling, and I am sure it is the same in Utah. Boise has had excellent residential curbside recycling for years and includes recycling glass. http://curbit.cityofboise.org/residential/recycling-collection/
Coeur d'Alene, Twin Falls, Pocatello...etc... also have curbside programs.

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by Cottonwood

You have to get your facts straight before making blanket statements....it all depends on the city you are living in and if they offer curbside recycling, and I am sure it is the same in Utah. Boise has had excellent residential curbside recycling for years and includes recycling glass. http://curbit.cityofboise.org/residential/recycling-collection/
Coeur d'Alene, Twin Falls, Pocatello...etc... also have curbside programs.

I am referring to Idaho Falls and Rexburg. Yes, they have recycling programs where you can go to drop off locations in parking lots. But its the convenient curb side service I was referring to that I missed having.

[Wasatch_One]

Surprising that no one has posted this update on the new Public Safety building

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid...st-net-zero-energy-status&s_cid=queue-14



"The goal is for the building to produce as much energy as it uses," said lead designer David Brems of GSBS Architects. If that goal is achieved it would be Utah's first "net zero" building, a designation claimed by only a handful of structures across the country.

The building will be headquarters for Salt Lake City's police and fire departments. It will also house the city's Emergency Operations Center and 911 dispatch center.

"There's enough solar power on the building to run that emergency operations center if everything else is disrupted," Brems said.

[gusam26]

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by gusam26

Nice! This looks better than I expected.

[Bob The Builder]

Gateway 6 looks great. It's a nice addition to Gateway.

[scottharding]

If only the rest of the Gateway had more of that look...

[SLC Projects]

By far the best looking office building at gateway.

[delts145]

Thanks Gusam for those great pics... This is what I have so wanted to see from choices made at Gateway. From your pics, I can now say that my worries with the selection of brick have been put to rest. All around, excellent choices were made here.

Orlando and others who have commented on the L'Porte Project's choices, this is a good example of what should be done to the large apartment block building on the north end of that project. I agree with you Orlando that the bottom portion needs some adjustments on the exterior materials pattern. Perhaps, we should forward this example to the developers as a polite, but strong suggestion.