Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[jsbertram]

Not wanting to add to your confusion, but there was recently an idea to have a gondola line installed between Production Way and SFU so buses wouldn't need to be used for running up & down the mountain.

[BCPhil]

The station is actually called "Producton Way - University" for a reason. That reason being that the station is the de-facto way for many students to get to SFU.

Many of us are just using SFU as a sample destination because it is probably the biggest destination on the current Millennium line for travelers coming from the current Expo line.

The example we are using is someone who lives in Surrey travelling to SFU, because it is a commute many people make, and one that will be affected with additional transfers when Evergreen line is finished. Before and after Evergreen there will always be a bus involved (or gondola if people get their wish) so we usually leave it out of the argument for simplicity sake.


Regarding transfers, for those who wish to avoid as many flights of stairs as possible (for those travelling to a mountain top university makes it kind of ironic sounding) then on the way home you could ride the 143 from SFU to Burquitlam station. Then at Lougheed you would have a cross platform transfer, from the "Vancouver bound" platform to the "New Westminster Bound" platform (and spice up your day seeing some different sights each way).

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

a) board train in Surrey to Vancouver
b) exit at Columbia
c) walk down & up to other platform
d) board train to Lougheed
* may have to let a Surrey-bound train pass
e) exit at Lougheed
f) stay at same platform for train to SFU (and VCC)
* most likely will be the next train.

life *just*sucks* when you're using transit on a really cheap UPass.


BTW: it doesn't get much better when you graduate - now you pay the full cost every month for a three-zone pass.

yes but if trains are stopping at lougheed - don't people have to board on the new third platform?

either way i hate the train in the morning its packed with SFU students - finally get some space when they all get off en masse

they really should consider some kind of shuttle train or extra trains in the morning to serve the SFU ridership - one that shuttles between columbia and production way station perhaps

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

yes but if trains are stopping at lougheed - don't people have to board on the new third platform?.....

The third platform would be for that trains going to Douglas College.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

"Train to SFU (and VCC)"

The Millennium Skytrain that goes from Lougheed Stn to VCC Terminal passes through the Production Way Stn.
Buses connect Production Way to SFU.
Quite the shlep if you're commuting from Surrey.

Yes of course, now I remember that.

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Not wanting to add to your confusion, but there was recently an idea to have a gondola line installed between Production Way and SFU so buses wouldn't need to be used for running up & down the mountain.

I recall the thread about that; it seemed a bit far-fetched to me. Possible, though.

Oh, and thanks, Aberdeen. You set me straight the first time. Forgot to quote you. Cheers.

[st7860]

There's plenty of dorms AND market housing at SFU so students shouldn't be complaining about having to commute from Surrey

[touraccuracy]

Originally Posted by st7860

There's plenty of dorms AND market housing at SFU so students shouldn't be complaining about having to commute from Surrey

it's really not very affordable, especially to a full time student. and there's classes downtown and in surrey... i've had classes in all three campuses in the same day before.

[officedweller]

TriCity News article on street level improvements around the line - and a link to the City Report which contains renderings.
Looks like they'll follow a Richmond "beautify it" model - rather than the "ignore it" stance of Burnaby.

http://www.tricitynews.com/news/151603875.html

Renders here - lots of good allignment drawings too -

http://www.coquitlam.ca/Libraries/Counci...uncilInCommittee_2012-05-14_03.sflb.ashx


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Typical improvements on opening - corner bulges, trees and multi-user path under the guideway.


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Note the planning for possible buildings on the Coquitlam Centre parking lots.
Note that they find the need to insert a roadway to set the buildings back from the guideway,
unlike Richmond, where the guideway and buildings ae much closer to each other.


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Note the box for a track switch which is just before the Douglas College Station.


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More at the link above.

[BCPhil]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Note the planning for possible buildings on the Coquitlam Centre parking lots.
Note that they find the need to insert a roadway to set the buildings back from the guideway,
unlike Richmond, where the guideway and buildings ae much closer to each other.

I kind of like that idea better than what they did in Richmond. In Richmond you have the nice sidewalk, but there are gaps between the buildings where there are parking lots, and those lots have direct access, over the sidewalk, to No 3 road. It creates traffic problems on the street and is at times very hazardous to pedestrians and cyclists.

With what Coquitlam proposes is a nice little frontage parking lot, with access only from side street intersections. Pinetree will flow nicely, and the sidewalk will be uninterrupted except for at the signaled (new) intersection at Anson, and the businesses will benefit from the parking. Thus it creates a nice, safe pedestrian and cycling environment, and the new buildings would still be very, very close to the sidewalk. Plus the buildings can have better density (IE there are no parking lots between buildings) making walking distance between destinations shorter.

I also like that they have a proper location planned for Lincoln ave station and that it's not just an empty promise. But they really should build it, the Mall and all the condos around it are going to be so far from any station.

[SpongeG]

wasn't it the mall that said they didn't want the station in their parking lot?

[nname]

I remembered that the mall was willing to provide land and a couple of millions back in the original proposal (~2001) for the station if some conditions are met...

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

I kind of like that idea better than what they did in Richmond. In Richmond you have the nice sidewalk, but there are gaps between the buildings where there are parking lots, and those lots have direct access, over the sidewalk, to No 3 road. It creates traffic problems on the street and is at times very hazardous to pedestrians and cyclists.

With what Coquitlam proposes is a nice little frontage parking lot, with access only from side street intersections. Pinetree will flow nicely, and the sidewalk will be uninterrupted except for at the signaled (new) intersection at Anson, and the businesses will benefit from the parking. Thus it creates a nice, safe pedestrian and cycling environment, and the new buildings would still be very, very close to the sidewalk. Plus the buildings can have better density (IE there are no parking lots between buildings) making walking distance between destinations shorter.

Good point about the driveways - but I think that wouldn't happen anyways in Coquitlam since the frontage would be occupied by larger consolidated projects (with direct underground parking access from the side streets), rather than the separate ownership seen along No. 3 Rd. in Richmond.

[GeeCee]

http://www.newsroom.gov.bc.ca/2012/05/pr...to-port-moody.html#.T7wKUCZI_cI.facebook

For some reason that I can't exactly fathom, the heritage building that was moved across the street a few years ago and turned into a restaurant is being preserved and moved once again - this time at the City of Port Moody's expense.

[GregG]

Hi Guys,
I'm new to the Skyscraper forum and this is the only forum I've found that is discussing the new Evergreen Line. As you may have heard Port Moody is updating their Official Community Plan to allow more density around the two new stations. The link to the OCP page is here:
http://www.portmoody.ca/index.aspx?page=704

The draft OCP is expected in September but they did release the radius map showing the 400 Meter and 800 Meter circles around the two stations. Our home is on the 3300-block of Henry Street and well within the 400 M loop of the Ioco station. The map is at the following link:
http://www.portmoody.ca/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=1578 (note: PDF)

The area south of Dewdney Trunk Road has a fairly steep grade so I don't know how appropriate it is for high-rise zoning but maybe someone here can tell me. Above the Port Moody area will be Coquitlam and the people living there probably won't appreciate the high-rise building below.

Regards,
Greg

[Pinion]

I don't think hills are an impediment to high rises. My condo's ground floor is three levels underground on the other side and there are 15 storey buildings on the road up to Cypress Bowl.

PS Thanks for the info and welcome to the site.

[cairnstone]

Originally Posted by GregG

Hi Guys,
I'm new to the Skyscraper forum and this is the only forum I've found that is discussing the new Evergreen Line. As you may have heard Port Moody is updating their Official Community Plan to allow more density around the two new stations. The link to the OCP page is here:
http://www.portmoody.ca/index.aspx?page=704

The draft OCP is expected in September but they did release the radius map showing the 400 Meter and 800 Meter circles around the two stations. Our home is on the 3300-block of Henry Street and well within the 400 M loop of the Ioco station. The map is at the following link:
http://www.portmoody.ca/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=1578 (note: PDF)

The area south of Dewdney Trunk Road has a fairly steep grade so I don't know how appropriate it is for high-rise zoning but maybe someone here can tell me. Above the Port Moody area will be Coquitlam and the people living there probably won't appreciate the high-rise building below.

Regards,
Greg

I think developers can build anywhere as long as the cost per square foot fit the budget. There are towers up on David I think overlooking Coquitlam and you also have the Bosa or Concert towers at stonecliff in West Van.

[GregG]

I see there was a discussion a while back about the placement of the Ioco station based on the artistic renderings shown on the Evergreen website (http://www.evergreenline.gov.bc.ca/image_gallery.htm).
The renderings have the station on the north side (Barnet side) of the overpass but the Port Moody radius map shows the station on the south side (St. Johns side) of the overpass. I was surprised by that but sure enough the Evergreen website does say the new track will be south of the CPR tracks.

[d'ann]

I don't understand why Port Moody is not including planning for the third proposed station at Queen's Street, given that an OCP is intended to shape future growth.

[AverageJoe]

Engineering plans show that Ioco Station will be on the north side of the CPR tracks east of the Barnet Hwy CPR overpass. They also show a vehicle storage facility east of Ioco Station.

Originally Posted by GregG

I see there was a discussion a while back about the placement of the Ioco station based on the artistic renderings shown on the Evergreen website (http://www.evergreenline.gov.bc.ca/image_gallery.htm).
The renderings have the station on the north side (Ioco side) of the overpass but the Port Moody radius map shows the station on the south side (St. Johns side) of the overpass. I was surprised by that but sure enough the Evergreen website does say the new track will be south of the CPR tracks.

[GregG]

Thanks AverageJoe.
It is not promising if the Port Moody radius map is wrong since it was just released (as far as I know). Not that it makes a huge difference but it does not inspire much confidence.

Also, the Evergreen site does say "The Evergreen Line will emerge from the tunnel just east of Barnet Highway. It will travel at ground level along the south side of the Canadian Pacific Rail (CPR) ..."

http://www.evergreenline.gov.bc.ca/route_and_stations.htm

So, it looks like the Evergreen Line then crosses over to the north side of the CPR just before the Ioco station.