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Old Posted May 10, 2012, 9:11 PM
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Concrete falls from Gardiner Expressway
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1176154--concrete-falls-from-gardiner-expressway?bn=1

The Gardiner seems to be in the early stages of falling apart, this is almost like the Turcot interchange in Montreal. It has to be replaced soon, or it will cost lots of money to maintain it each year.
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2012, 1:36 AM
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From the article...

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Twice in a week, concrete chunks have rained down from the Gardiner Expressway onto roads typically teeming with motor vehicle and occasionally pedestrian traffic.

Fortunately, no one was hurt, but it could be only a matter of time.
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2012, 2:23 AM
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Either tear down the Gardiner or it will tear itself apart.

I recently read that the city of Toronto has a $100 million backlog of repair projects that are needed on the expressway right now... not to mention problems to be experienced in the near/far future.

If only Toronto could do what Boston did with their elevated freeway.

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Another thing with the 400: I think it should be extended downtown, roughly near the railway corridor. However, due to the minimal space available, it should only be built 4 lanes wide (2 in each direction), and should be RESTRICTED to HOV use (probably HOV-3 or HOV-4 in order to keep it moving). Commercial vehicles, except buses, would also be prohibited from it.
I've thought of the same thing. A tight 4-lane HOV corridor along the old Highway 400 right of way could help relieve Toronto's chronic traffic congestion. This ROW could also be used for a transit corridor.

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Speaking of Toronto highways, I came across this interview with Jane Jacobs from 1969. She was a major reason why the Spadina Expressway and crosstown (Richview?) expressways were stopped.

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Old Posted May 14, 2012, 2:04 AM
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Drove on the Gardiner expressway yesterday... Thing was still standing!

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Old Posted May 14, 2012, 2:47 AM
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You definitely get a great view of the skyline on the Gardner, I'll give it that.
     
     
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Old Posted May 14, 2012, 12:57 PM
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Yeah, the Gardiner is awesome. You get a little bit of the same effect of driving straight into Downtown on the Ville-Marie in Montreal, but aside from that, such an urban freeway is unique to Canada.
     
     
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Yeah, the Gardiner is awesome. You get a little bit of the same effect of driving straight into Downtown on the Ville-Marie in Montreal, but aside from that, such an urban freeway is unique to Canada.
I would argue that driving westbound on Memorial Drive in Calgary into downtown from hwy 2 is pretty darned close to this effect...
     
     
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A different (and equally good) effect is had by driving over the Pont Jacques Cartier (Bridge) into Montreal; also Bonaventure expressway into Montreal.
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Old Posted May 14, 2012, 5:39 PM
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I would argue that driving westbound on Memorial Drive in Calgary into downtown from hwy 2 is pretty darned close to this effect...
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that Memorial Drive was an elevated expressway that actually penetrated the core...

It's not the same, but cool nevertheles:

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Autoroute Dufferin-Montmorency: surely one of the most useless highway I've seen. In the 70's, it was thought that the city would greatly develop eastward towards Beauport so this important highway was constructed. Finally, the population moved mostly west towards Sainte-Foy, i.e. towards the brigdes.


http://photos.linternaute.com/photo/1310398/1268428485/1443/vue-d-ensemble-de-quebec/

This autoroute leads to these infamous highway overpasses which tare a huge chunk of the city in half... I love this picture though: Quebec City has this image of a governement town although it has heavy industrial roots. The old port is now beautiful but as you can see here, railways were everywhere to be seen. The Delta hotel was also under construction.


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Old Posted May 14, 2012, 6:36 PM
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Awesome pic!

Other contenders:

Hamilton skyline from the 403


Downtown Toronto from Gardiner collectors (near the 427... much farther away than the pic I posted above)



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Old Posted May 14, 2012, 6:56 PM
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That QC pic is amazing. It's too bad that the 440 wasn't finished just out of shear coolness. I'd say the same about the Ville-Marie too. Probably not necessary, but there is something awesome about driving underneath the city through a tunnel.
     
     
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Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that Memorial Drive was an elevated expressway that actually penetrated the core...

It's not the same, but cool nevertheles:

(from Wikipedia)
What does being elevated have to do with the "effect of driving straight into Downtown"?
     
     
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The gardiner is the only highway that has HUGE buildings lining it though.. and even more will be lining it in 5 years.
     
     
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What does being elevated have to do with the "effect of driving straight into Downtown"?
Yeah you're right. I was thinking through, but wrote into. My bad.
     
     
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About the 440E in Quebec City and development to the east, really I don't see what the planners were thinking there! Unless a bridge all the way across Ile d'Orleans is built (to the south shore) and that is VERY expensive, the development will definitely favour north and west due to better connections.

What are the traffic counts on the Ile d'Orleans bridge? If fairly high, most likely it would need to be twinned at the same time if a south shore bridge was built.
     
     
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Old Posted May 15, 2012, 2:30 PM
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About the 440E in Quebec City and development to the east, really I don't see what the planners were thinking there! Unless a bridge all the way across Ile d'Orleans is built (to the south shore) and that is VERY expensive, the development will definitely favour north and west due to better connections.
Well, the planners really weren't all that crazy because their projections relied on the assumption that a bridge would indeed be built between Lévis and downtown Québec City, thus closing the highway loop around the city. The following map represents the scenario priviledged by engineers for the highway system back in 1968. The dotted line on the right was the chosen path of the said bridge. However, projections assumed that Quebec City's population would have reached 1 000 000 by 1990. Since population growth turned out to be much more modest than anticipated, the expansion of the highway system was scaled back, which in turn lead to the halt of the downtown bridge project.





The second picture is a future rendering (realized in 1968) of what the City was expected to look like in 1990. Interesting to note that the Charest highway, on the bottom right, was envisionned to be elevated in some parts while passing under buildings in further locations.


http://www.quebecurbain.qc.ca/2010/08/30/le-reseau-demesure-dautoroutes-inachevees-de-quebec/



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What are the traffic counts on the Ile d'Orleans bridge? If fairly high, most likely it would need to be twinned at the same time if a south shore bridge was built.
It's funny that you ask about that because there was an article in the newspaper about this very subject yesterday. Anyway, the population of the Ile d'Orleans is fairly limited: about 5800 inhabitants. Hence, the traffic counts on the bridge is limited as well since we are talking about 15 000 daily crossings. That being said, as I've recently posted in the Canadian Bridge section, the Ministère des Transports du Québec has announced that this bridge will have to be replaced within 10 years. Due to its old age (1935), it doesn't comply with seismic criteria anymore. Hence, there has been some debate as to whether or not use this opportunity to create a double bridge linking the south shore with both the Ile d'Orléans and the north shore.

This question is indeed worth debating in light of traffic statistics for both the Quebec bridge and Pierre Laporte bridge. About 35 000 vehicles of any kind cross the Old Lady every day while her younger sister witnesses 155 000 daily crossings. Traffic is thus already important in this area of the city yet these numbers keep increasing yearly because both Lévis and Sainte-Foy (neighbourhood next to the bridges) keep growing rapidly. Furthermore, it can be assumed that the Quebec bridge, opened in 1917, won't be able to accomodate traffic for many more decades. Daily crossings on the Laporte bridge would thus instantly increase to 200 000 and it would become the only link between the two shores east of Trois-Rivières.

Such a link would also greatly improve the accessibilty to the downtown area for anyone coming from the east because for the moment, visitors have to drive by the City on the south shore, take the bridge in Sainte-Foy and drive all the way back to downtown on the north shore. I believe the new Ile d'Orléans bridge will be built next to the old one. The location of another bridge linking the south shore to the island is just a guess:

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^fascinating. I enjoyed reading the details.
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That definitely sounds like a worthy idea. If the current bridge is replaced, it would definitely be worth adding a southern bridge for movements in the east end of the region. I'd place the new bridge near the utility corridor, returning to the mainland at the Bellechasse boundary. A 2-lane bridge is probably sufficient, but depending on long-term plans, 4 lanes might be necessary.

A downtown-to-downtown bridge would be a stupid idea IMO, as it would result in enormous traffic increases in an old and traffic-constrained core. Improved passenger ferry service should be the goal in the core of Quebec City. As for the existing bridges, perhaps twinning the Pierre-Laporte Bridge to replace the Quebec Bridge as a longer term goal? The twinned bridge could include provisions for an LRT or other transit line. Do trains still use the bridge?

Another possibility, if the Quebec Bridge can be retrofitted and upgraded, would be to remove most vehicles from it, and turn it into a transit-only bridge.
     
     
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^fascinating. I enjoyed reading the details.
Seconded that. Have been to Quebec City once, about 6 years ago, and was fascinated at how much better the highways are there compared to Montreal.

Such a great City to see, hope to return sometime down the road.
     
     
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