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Old Posted Apr 22, 2012, 5:57 AM
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Mike, this is a globalized world, for better or worse. Deal with it. It isn't like there can't and still aren't unique operations in each and every city. It just isn't likely going to come from chain stores, whether they've become national/international, or are on a local or regional level. Independent and specialized and otherwise unique retailers are awash in your Toronto. Same for Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, and eastward.

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"“I'm gambling that there are places in the country where people are ready for a more unique, less cookie-cutter experience,” Mr. Simons said."

Except with expanding into a national chain, Simons will become just another cookie-cutter store.

Simons in my opinion will lose its style and character when it becomes a national retailer. Right now it has a cache and is something special when you visit Quebec.
Also the plans to downplay the clothing at the Edmonton store will make Simons not an interesting place to shop. Part of the fun of Simons is the unique and classy clothing they sell. Downgrading it to fit a "sloppy Edmonton style" will downgrade the store.

It is a shame a store does not know when they have a good thing going and to just do well with what they have, instead of always trying to expand and make their business into just another chain that loses its personality, customer service, etc.
Yeah, cause nobody in Toronto or Montreal dresses sloppily.
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Mike, this is a globalized world, for better or worse. Deal with it. It isn't like there can't and still aren't unique operations in each and every city. It just isn't likely going to come from chain stores, whether they've become national/international, or are on a local or regional level. Independent and specialized and otherwise unique retailers are awash in your Toronto. Same for Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, and eastward.



Yeah, cause nobody in Toronto or Montreal dresses sloppily.
Of course they do, but they don't shop at Simons.
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Well then I guess we should just carbon copy every single store and restaurant in every city and make sure every world city has the exact same thing.
No sense in having anything unique in each city anymore.
If the owners of the brand thought their product was unique to Quebec shoppers and did not see an opportunity to make some money in Edmonton they would not be expanding there. The reality is they obviously see a market in the nationals largest shopping centre.

Many Canadian retails have tried and failed going into the US. We are not going to see carbon copies of everything in every city.
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Canada needs some more unique retailers anyways. I rather see some Canadian stores expand than be completely saturated by American department stores. We already know they are coming, so I would love to see the Canadian stores prosper. If things continue the way they are going, not only will each Canadian city be carbon copies of each other, they'll look a lot like American cities. So at the very least, if Simons wants to expand, it will add a very Canadian flavour to the retail scene which is better than the alternative.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2012, 4:53 PM
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Canada needs some more unique retailers anyways. I rather see some Canadian stores expand than be completely saturated by American department stores.
You would never know that reading these forums.

You guys on here are the ones who get the most excited the minute an American chain announces they will open in Canada.

Simons can open all they want. But they are going to start their downfall, because once they turn into this big national chain, they just will not be able to keep their high standards and personal touch going, and it will just turn into yet another chain.
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But a lot of department stores have become large chains without it leading to their downfall. Macy's, Bloomingdales, Nordstrom, Selfridges, Les Galleries Lafayette, etc. Why should we assume a Canadian store cannot do the same. It may become different than it is now, but there's more than one way to survive.
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You would never know that reading these forums.

You guys on here are the ones who get the most excited the minute an American chain announces they will open in Canada.

Simons can open all they want. But they are going to start their downfall, because once they turn into this big national chain, they just will not be able to keep their high standards and personal touch going, and it will just turn into yet another chain.

they are already a chain - they have multiple stores in Quebec already which would make them a chain

it's freaking clothes, clothes, nothing to stress about

as coco chanel said - fashion passes, style remains

i've shopped in a lot of places and the average persons clothes that they can buy are the same a black t-shirt is a black t-shirt no matter where you buy it

its not like there is anything unique in fashion anymore unless you count thom browne

but i really don't see his stuff catching on



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Old Posted Apr 22, 2012, 11:26 PM
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But a lot of department stores have become large chains without it leading to their downfall. Macy's, Bloomingdales, Nordstrom, Selfridges, Les Galleries Lafayette, etc. Why should we assume a Canadian store cannot do the same. It may become different than it is now, but there's more than one way to survive.
Not to mention the Bay as a Canadian example. Not too long ago it was boring like Sears, but the Bay seems to really have upped its merchandise over the past 3-4 years. And now they're probably the only department store considered "cool" enough for youth to shop at. Simons will probably be the same once it hits the Anglosphere this summer.

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The biggest risk for Simons is flopping out if they don't fully understand the market they are going into, and the fact that the definition of fashion (and attitudes toward it) is pretty different than what they are accustomed to. If they go in there thinking they will turn Albertans or Manitobans onto the Quebec version of fashion then they will crash and burn.

A huge factor in the demise of the Les Ailes de la Mode chain failed and costly foray into the west end of Ottawa (incidentally not exactly 3000 km away from Quebec).

Ultimately, Simons would have been on safer ground had they expanded to parts of Quebec where they do not yet have stores (Trois-Rivières, Gatineau-Ottawa) but this is not what they chose to do.

Good luck to them in the West. They will ignore the lay of the land there at their peril.
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i always found edmonton and calgary to be quite fashion conscience and very trendy, edmonton more so than calgary, simons will do well there

Vancouver on the other hand... as long as simons sells yoga pants, black puffy jackets and ugg boots they will do well here if not vancouver might turn their back on them
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A huge factor in the demise of the Les Ailes de la Mode chain failed and costly foray into the west end of Ottawa (incidentally not exactly 3000 km away from Quebec).
The final nail in the coffin for Les Ailes de la Mode was their Downtown Montreal store which put the company under huge financial stress due to the cost of opening that store. It had everything of a flagship store and then some.

Simons was way more careful when opening their downtown store, they went much closer to what they are selling in their suburban and quebec city stores, and now many years later, they are still alive and kicking.
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Take away the football padding and lengthen the pants and maybe alter the palette somewhat and it's all very wearable. The buyers will request alterations before his stuff hit the stores.

Runway is a show and you have to see beyond the theatrics. It's just rare to see it done by American menswear designers. DSquared do this sort of thing all the time but what you actually see at retail level is pretty tame, except maybe the prices!
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This wasn't supposed to be public yet but oh well...

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MARINA STRAUSS — RETAILING REPORTER
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Hudson’s Bay Co. is in talks with New York-based Bloomingdale’s to bring the luxury department store to Canada.

The move to provide space to Bloomingdale's as a “store within a store” would represent a pre-emptive strike on the part of HBC chief executive officer Richard Baker, who is aiming to grab a bigger piece of the high-end fashion retail market before other foreign players arrive, industry sources said.

U.S. upscale department store chain Nordstrom Inc. (JWN-N55.86----%) is speaking to landlords in Canada to find space for its first stores in this country. But attractive retail space is at a premium and a bevy of merchants are chasing a limited number of choice locations, putting pressure on incumbents such as the Bay to move quickly to raise their profile and fight off rising competition.

“It’s the Bay’s way to fight fire with fire,” said Jeffrey Berkowitz, president of Aurora Realty Consultants, which advises retailers on picking real estate space. “It’s part defensive, and it’s part offensive. Nobody wants to be the one left behind.”

Mr. Baker, who would not comment, has already had a hand in reshaping the Canadian retail landscape since acquiring HBC in July of 2008. In a landmark $1.8-billion deal last year, the CEO sold most of the company’s discount Zellers store leases to U.S. rival Target Corp. The purveyor of cheap chic will open its first stores in Canada starting early next year, raising the stakes for a wide range of domestic retailers.

At the same time, the U.S. real estate magnate is racing to improve the ailing Bay under the leadership of seasoned merchant Bonnie Brooks, and the efforts are starting to pay off. She’s added an array of higher-end lines to the Bay, dropped poor sellers and introduced affordably fashionable TopShop boutiques in a licensing agreement with its British parent.

Now sources say Mr. Baker is in discussions to seal a similar deal with Bloomingdale’s, which is owned by Macy’s Inc. (M-N41.02----%) While the Bay has moved more upscale, it’s not generally as pricey as Bloomingdale’s, which is closer to Nordstrom in its price positioning. HBC’s U.S. department-store chain Lord & Taylor also doesn’t have as expensive an offering as Bloomingdale’s.

Bloomingdale’s, which doesn’t break out its results, has outperformed its parent’s namesake stores, holding on to its well-off customers with contemporary and stylish lines, said Mark Cohen, marketing professor at the Columbia Business School in New York and a former chief executive at Sears Canada Inc.

He said the Bay, along with Sears, Canadian Tire Corp. and others, is feeling the heat to fortify itself against anticipated stresses from the arrival of both Target and Nordstrom, if the latter comes here.

“I think Bloomingdale’s would be a welcome brand in Canada in select markets,” Prof. Cohen said.

The Bay is contemplating putting Bloomingdale’s shops within its Toronto store on Bloor Street West as well as inside one store apiece in Vancouver and Calgary, the sources said. Bloomingdale’s could begin rolling out in-store boutiques in Canada as early as the fall, they said.

The move would help Mr. Baker to fill space productively at his massive downtown Bay stores, Prof. Cohen said. “He’s got way too much space.”

Bloomingdale’s, which launched an e-commerce site in Canada last year, has benefited from a pattern of high-end North American retailers faring better than their mid-priced counterparts as affluent shoppers recovered faster from the recession than others, said Ian Thomas of retail specialist Thomas Consultants in Vancouver.

“Canadians are wealthier and healthier now on a per-capita basis than Americans,” he said. “Canadians have a greater appetite now for luxury goods.”

And foreign retailers have an appetite for Canada. Its shopping malls outperform their U.S. counterparts by almost 50 per cent in sales per square foot, Colliers International reported last week. While the average mall performance in the U.S. in 2011 was just above $400 (U.S.) per square foot, Canadian malls generated an average of almost $600, it found.

Nordstrom executives have said they’re looking for store locations in Canada but finding it tough to find them. The company is believed to be in negotiations with mall owner Cadillac Fairview over three outlets whose leases it recently bought back from Sears in Vancouver, Calgary and Ottawa.
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Also there will be big news coming regarding Nordstrom in mid June.
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Also there will be big news coming regarding Nordstrom in mid June.
Nordstrom has been buying up Sears locations in Canada. I have a feeling that they're going into Sherway in Etobicoke.
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Nordstrom has not bought a single Sears lease...
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