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Old Posted Apr 29, 2012, 5:19 PM
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It's strange no major retailer wants to jump in the downtown market yet. I feel like the minimum required population is there for it but it hasnt arrived yet as restaurants/bars/apts/offices have already planted flags.
Well City Target is going to open up at the new 7th and Fig. I think that will be as important as Ralph's was.
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Metro has revealed the high concept Union Station Master Plan from its six finalist firms. According to Meto, Metro staff will make their recommendation to the Metro Board on June 28. I assume this means picking the finalist and then working with them to build the full master plan.


Renzo Piano Building Workshop/Parsons Transportation Group Inc.
Did anyone read the LA Times?



Then, while warning half-jokingly that the "procurement office" was sitting in the audience "monitoring" her every word, she said that the proposals we were about to see, which Metro dubbed "Vision Boards," weren't going to be considered in the selection process at all.

Wait, what? So the idea was to bring in the far-flung members of the six shortlisted teams, then ask them to publicly present ideas that will have no bearing on the actual competition?

Apparently, yes. That was precisely the idea.

A news release handed out by Metro was even more direct in making clear that the conceptual designs, which imagine how Union Station and downtown Los Angeles might look in 2050, were essentially a sideshow.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/27/entertainment/la-et-union-station-notebook-20120426

WTF? Just when I thought LA couldn't be more awesome at wasting everyone's time and money. Really, how do you top this?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2012, 7:11 PM
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So does anyone know what's up with the Guess 1981 retail ads up on the under-construction retail space across the street from Bottega Louie? It looks like Guess is moving in? It looks like the kind of ads stores put up in malls when a new store is coming in.

And also, 7th street felt great today with the Expo Line opening! So many people walking around and Bottega Louie was packed no doubt, and it was 4PM on a Saturday (...restaurant transition time from lunch to dinner)
no, thats going to be a restaurant / bar / club.

the ads are just that, ads.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2012, 9:15 PM
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...0,290864.story

AEG has been making it clear the last few weeks that something new was coming up. Now it looks like the proposal is for the Angels to move to DT in a new stadium on the land formerly planned for football. This makes sense since the football proposal that AEG had in mind was "an offer the NFL coulde easily refuse".

It ties in neatly with the new high rise with production facilities and Ave. of the Angels, etc., and brings some life 80 plus days a year. Plus it's a pre-emptive quick hit before Magic and crew come out with their expected blockbuster plans for Chavez Ravine.

But of course far more likely that it's just Artie trying to squeeze funds out of Anaheim.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2012, 10:03 PM
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Nah. It's sprawl and automobile usage and backwards city planning. Please don't cover for LA's poor environmental record with long established myths about tongva era 'smog'. Its attitudes like this that keep LA backward under the illusion we are developed and progressive city. We are not. We need work.
WTF is your problem?? Your totally confrontational, and really negative. Learn some environmental history before you belch out your stupid comments that have very little basis in actual facts.
     
     
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AEG has been making it clear the last few weeks that something new was coming up. Now it looks like the proposal is for the Angels to move to DT in a new stadium on the land formerly planned for football. This makes sense since the football proposal that AEG had in mind was "an offer the NFL coulde easily refuse".
I'm pretty sure that any new baseball stadium would be in addition to the NFL stadium, not instead of it.
     
     
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Sorry but I don't think LA is as yucky looking as you make out. What I think is true for most Americans, me included, is that when they first see the city they have an adjustment period. Most cities don't have a lot of houses surfaced with stucco. Most American cities are not painted white or with pastels.

I also don't think it's as looking as you may think I make it out to be. I think in some ways it's better today than it was 20 yrs ago, in other ways better than it has every been. But something about the city still seems to make too many ppl feel . I get a sense of what's behind some of that when watching this vid on the opening of the expo line....


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^ the expo line is a fantastic addition to getting around the city, & long overdue. But notice how some of the scenes riders will pass by reveal that new transit alone isn't going to be the magic pill that finally makes LA like a 50 yr old who has just learned how to tie his shoelaces. There's still plenty of bldgs without businesses, lots of parking lots, not enough nice places for ppl to live.

TG that's changing for the better, & things like the new expo line will help with current trends. But we're still looking at yrs & yrs of additional new devlpt before the hood really gains full momentum. Lots more ppl with $$ have to live in the hood, lots more stores that depend on them to survive have to open, & businesses that have offices miles away from dt need to start changing their tune.

There's the great rose garden next to the science museum & the natural history museum, but notice how empty it is. Where's all the ppl??! The hood has a nice park full of roses & grass, but it's not complete without more ppl. Even the opening day of the new expo line didn't result in the crowds of ppl that almost every weekend can be found strolling around Venice or around the pier in Samo.

that's why I've long believed that the one thing that has hurt dt's image & economy more than anything else was it wasn't built nicely enough in the first place. So even back when we still had the pacific electric red cars---& the subway terminal bldg at 5th & hill st still contained a real subway----ppl & businesses began abandoning the hood anyway. Eventually the only ppl left behind would be mainly poorer, inc pensioners, & broadway & all its movie theaters would go into a slump that would last decades.

Things are getting better, so that deserves: . But if LA had been put together more nicely in the first place, it wouldn't have gone downhill so fast & so far to begin with. that's a warning to any city out there that takes good things for granted, & is too ho hum about the need to make a city as nice as possible.
     
     
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^ I went to that Rose Garden yesterday, Spent about 2 hours there doing nothing but watching the hordes of people who got off the Expo Line and did the exact same thing I did: stop and smell the roses. Families and young couples and dogs and gays and all sorts of people relaxing.
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Lol . citywatch jumped to conclusions on that one. That video looked like it was taken around a earlier time, so its only natrual that there isn't that many people around.
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I'm pretty sure that any new baseball stadium would be in addition to the NFL stadium, not instead of it.
They can barely fit the football stadium so where would a baseball stadium go?

If they have to choose, baseball makes so much more sense. Baseball plays 81 home games per year, not including playoffs. Football plays only 8. Also football season predominantly overlaps basketball and hockey, while baseball is mostly when those seasons are off. For AEG baseball makes so much more sense and I was surprised when they insisted that they wanted a football stadium and not baseball.

To me football only makes more sense only if they can get two teams or at least one team plus USC (which now looks unlikely), along with a mid-tier college bowl game, a couple of superbowls, and at least a rotating PAC-12 championship game. Baseball is just so steady with it's 30-50,000 fans per game. With baseball, basketball, and hockey AEG would have over 200 well attended sporting events per year. That's pretty intense!
     
     
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They can barely fit the football stadium so where would a baseball stadium go?

On one of the many empty lots around the L.A. Live compound? Perhaps across the street?
     
     
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I'm going to add the Union Station development to page 1, even though the latter still feels more like a "vision".

I take it you guys like Renzo & Parson's proposal the best?

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But notice how some of the scenes riders will pass by reveal that new transit alone isn't going to be the magic pill that finally makes LA like a 50 yr old who has just learned how to tie his shoelaces. There's still plenty of bldgs without businesses, lots of parking lots, not enough nice places for ppl to live.
Dude it has only been a couple days, and the economy is still recovering from the recession. Was the progress over the last couple weeks on the area around Union Station and on Francisco Ave not enough to satisfy you? I know those are mid/long term plans, but that's still a ton of parking lots headed for demolition.

You're just upset because the LA Central and South Figueroa parking lots (and any expo/blue adjacent) haven't seen any action yet.
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On one of the many empty lots around the L.A. Live compound? Perhaps across the street?
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I dunno. Demolish some low-rise buildings, and you've got yourself a site.
     
     
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They can barely fit the football stadium so where would a baseball stadium go?

If they have to choose, baseball makes so much more sense. Baseball plays 81 home games per year, not including playoffs. Football plays only 8. Also football season predominantly overlaps basketball and hockey, while baseball is mostly when those seasons are off. For AEG baseball makes so much more sense and I was surprised when they insisted that they wanted a football stadium and not baseball.

To me football only makes more sense only if they can get two teams or at least one team plus USC (which now looks unlikely), along with a mid-tier college bowl game, a couple of superbowls, and at least a rotating PAC-12 championship game. Baseball is just so steady with it's 30-50,000 fans per game. With baseball, basketball, and hockey AEG would have over 200 well attended sporting events per year. That's pretty intense!
If the Angels do move or the Dodgers need a secondary playing field, AEG or whoever is gonna run the stadium, could easily configure the field to accommodate both football or baseball. and since neither of their seasons overlap, unless both teams are in the playoffs, hosting two different teams from two different sports makes very good sense. and adds to the amount of time the stadium will be used.
     
     
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Lol . citywatch jumped to conclusions on that one. That video looked like it was taken around a earlier time, so its only natrual that there isn't that many people around.

Yep. Plenty of people hang out at the Rose Garden on weekends. Seems like a popular place for quinceanera photos and USC student picnics.
     
     
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On one of the many empty lots around the L.A. Live compound? Perhaps across the street?
That would be interesting: two baseball stadiums, a football field and basketball and hockey arena within blocks of each other, in the most congested part of town, in a city that has miles of half-empty space just a few blocks north or east of there.
     
     
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Hey everyone! Just joined the forum and thought i'd chime in since I was bar hopping last night in Downtown which also so happened to be during Fiesta Broadway.

Like I said, I just joined this forum (have trolled for a while) and have done so with many other sites that relate to Downtown's revival, Needless to say I get excited about all of the projects so i've been traveling to DT (live in SB county) to get a looksie for myself and see what the real story is.

I'm 29 and granted, can't go too far back, but i've never really been able to do what I have been lately DT. Walking around (somewhat comfortably), seeing a mix of older and younger crowd (mixed nationalities) walking around, going to dinner, walking their dogs etc......never in my life did I think i'd be hanging out DT, much less bar hopping and enjoying myself. Sure the L.A live complex and immediately surrounding areas are nice and new, but my main focus is true DT. Broadway, Grand, Hill, Spring, all areas i've walked up and down on and are somewhat impressed with. Progression is slow, but noticeable. Many buildings receiving the love they deserved, but we have a Loooooong way to go so it kind of still gets me angry at the negligence the city had for a very long time. It is actually quite appalling and infuriating looking at the existing structures, let alone if one begins to envision the structures they tore down, but that is a topic for another thread.

DT's revival is on the right track and the hype is legit....there is definitely a noir feel to DT especially when sipping on an Old Fashioned whilst smoking a cigar in the patio of the 7 Grand whiskey bar on the second floor, enjoying the sights and sounds in the middle of all the beautiful buildings, imagining what it was really like back in the 20's and 30's.

Or you can have an ultra modern vodka bar with a vodka freezer (highly recommended to check out!) down the street and have a completely different perspective on what a modern DT could be like.

I travel to Chicago quite a bit to visit my gf (I know I know, long distance relationship's don't work yada yada yada yada) and hate to compare Downtown's because both cities are vastly different, but can't help but wish ours was like theirs. Granted, never been to NY so I can't speak of or for NY, but Chicago's Downtown is gorgeous, clean and has a perfect blend of old architecture mixed in with ultra modern High rises (Trump Tower is impressive). Needless to say, not impressed with the surrounding areas or the lack of scenery (nothing but flat land), but Downtown is nice. Kudos to them for it!

But you see, nothing is ever perfect and i'm ok with it......just as beautiful as Chitown's DT can be, I wouldn't trade it for L.A's ever! The sun shining through the buildings, visible palm trees, the melting pot of nationalities.....L.A is everything we all want and like and maybe that's why it can never be compared to anything or will ever be like any other city, and that's ok. The minute I begin to want an intense, white collar atmosphere DT with super high modern buildings, I feel the urge to get a taco at King Taco on 3rd street and i'm perfectly happily how things are situated because you can't do that anywhere else.

I've ranted on for far too long and maybe bored some of you, but as a fellow Angelino and avid DT goer, their is definitely a different feel to DT and the future looks bright. Statistics prove it with population on the rise, projects on the table and the want from people like yourselves and I.

I love what you guys are doing with this thread and look forward to the continued updates on anything L.A!
     
     
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DT's revival is on the right track and the hype is legit....there is definitely a noir feel to DT especially when sipping on an Old Fashioned whilst smoking a cigar in the patio of the 7 Grand whiskey bar on the second floor, enjoying the sights and sounds in the middle of all the beautiful buildings, imagining what it was really like back in the 20's and 30's.

Sounds like Owen Wilson in Midnight in Paris.
     
     
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