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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 2:16 PM
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I hope this building gets approved and made, love how this area is slowly getting fixed up and improved!
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2011, 3:32 PM
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couple of websites

http://attikacondos.com/ - developer's site - ATTIKA on the Park (8 Storey) and ATTIKA Tower (36 Storey)

http://hintonburg.com/attika.html - HCA's page with updates
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2011, 6:29 PM
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the fact that there is a glaring spelling error on their website doesn't give me much confidence. is tega a joke or what? 'wolrd class facilities'
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"on the Park". Of course.

Well, at least it's spelled with a -k this time.
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Old Posted Oct 1, 2011, 7:15 PM
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"on the Park". Of course.

Well, at least it's spelled with a -k this time.
and at least it actually is on a park...
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2011, 6:22 AM
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Here's a blog post from the Ottawa Citizen.

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Hume to Tega’s 36 storeys: No, no, also no

October 6, 2011. 12:14 am • Section: City

This morning I took a break from the provincial election to drop by the Ottawa Real Estate Forum. In particular, I wanted to hear the panel with the cumbersome title, “A vision for growth and development in the National Capital Region: What are the strategies of the NCC and the City of Ottawa?”

I’m glad I did.

Peter Hume, who’s the councillor for Alta Vista and the chair of the planning committee, put the development community on notice that the city will not be entertaining re-zoning applications for sites where the zoning has already been decided through a community design plan.

Hume singled out a proposed development in Hintonburg, where Tega wants to construct a two-building complex that would include a 36-storey building — the tallest in Ottawa. But the location was included in a recent community design plan, which calls for a maximum of eight storeys.

The planning chair was clear today: no way.

(Earlier this year, I wrote about this development, which is controversial for more than just wanting to flaunt the existing zoning. Tega claims it needs the extra height to cover the $12 million clean-up of the contaminated site, which used to be owned by Honeywell. Hume says that Tega and its partners knew full well the site was contaminated when they bought it, and that it was zoned for eight floors. And the Ministry of Environment confirmed it is overseeing Honeywell’s continued clean-up of the site. )

Hume has spoken about his plan to firm up zoning in some areas of the city, in order to give more certainty to the community and to developers. In fact, I did a story on this last December (yes, I’m getting a little preoccupied with planning issues), and Hume said then that the idea would be to pre-zone key areas of intensification in the city. It wouldn’t necessarily mean people would be happy – no one really likes change, especially when that change is a condo tower at the end of your street – but at least residents would know what to expect. And developers would know ahead of time how much they’d be allowed to build, and would pay for land accordingly.

But today’s panel was the first time I’ve heard Hume speak to the issue so firmly in public.

Here’s the key part of his statement:

“We believe that community design plans are incredibly important. They are designed to tell you where height is and is not appropriate. And we believe they are not jumping-off points. Once we complete a community design plan, and we zone appropriately to the heights that are designated in the plan, it’s not a jumping-off point for more.

“West Wellington’s a great example. We completed a community design plan, and we spent many hours doing it. And we just received an application from Tega Homes to go to 36 storeys. It’s totally out of keeping with the community design plan. We believe that we have to respect those community design plans. We’re doing them for a purpose, and that purpose is to bring you certainty.

“So I tell you now that when those happen, like Tega Homes who is looking for 36 storeys, the answer is going to be simple: ‘No.’ It’s ‘no’ at 36 storeys, it’s ‘no’ at 30 storeys, it’s ‘no’ at 25 storeys, it’s ‘no’ at 20 storeys.”

Hugh Gorman, a principal with Bridgeport Realty Capital Partners who was on the panel along with Francois Lapointe, the VP of planning at the NCC, actually agreed with Hume. Gorman put it this charming way: “When my kids ask for another cookie, I say, ‘no, there’s no more cookies, you’ve had enough.’ And when a developer comes to you and wants 35 storeys in a zone under a CDP that’s got a lot less than that, I think there’s got to be consistency.”

But.

Gorman said there has to be “balance” on the other side, that when there’s a demand in the community for housing (in particular condos, I imagine), and it’s in compliance with the CDP ”or close to it, you’ve got to stop councillors in that area from exerting undue influence in the process.”

So this discussion is far from over (although it does seem to be at an end for Tega’s hopes of building the city’s tallest condo tower). Hume told the crowd he and Mayor Jim Watson would hold a second planning summit this winter that will focus on a “significant review of just where our official plan is meant to take us.”

The first summit took place in early 2010, after which the city reconvened a design review panel (the old one had quit in disgust). Hume also said that while he understands that “some — maybe all — of you in this room feel that the panel is bureaucratic and its recommendations are unreasonable, unworkable, don’t respect the economic circumstances that you operate in, we understand that and we are open to making changes. But I’m here to tell you, the panel is here to stay.”
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2011, 1:46 PM
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I know the name probably refers to somewhere in Greece but I can't help but think of a prison riot when I hear it...
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2011, 12:26 AM
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and at least it actually is on a park...
Well, that's just gravy!
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2011, 2:05 PM
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Been a while since we had to post an update, but Hume's speech and the filing of an application are the subject of our latest entry.

http://hintonburg.com/attika.html#9OctoberUpdate
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 12:58 AM
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edit: oops wrong thread
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2012, 2:08 PM
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Also via twitter last night: ‏

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Tega Homes submitting substantially revised plans instead of proposed 36 storey condo on Parkdale Park. Details as soon as we know. #tega36
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2012, 9:25 PM
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2012, 12:29 AM
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I think that if the shorter building and podium are fronting Parkdale, and the tower is set behind it, that's not quite as bad. If they want to be a little more realistic, they could go with 10 floors less, as it will put it under that magic 27 storey threshold the city seems to love so much and wouldn't look so bad with the Coats building visable behind that one as well, when viewed from a distance.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2012, 1:46 AM
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and wouldn't look so bad with the Coats building visable behind that one as well, when viewed from a distance.
always the best frame of reference for urban planning decisions, that.

"I'll be using the neighbourhood plans as toilet paper whilst I contemplate the view of this site from across town: ah, just right!"
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2012, 2:22 AM
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I am shocked - SHOCKED - that this project has gone back to the drawing board!
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2012, 3:24 AM
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always the best frame of reference for urban planning decisions, that.

"I'll be using the neighbourhood plans as toilet paper whilst I contemplate the view of this site from across town: ah, just right!"
Thanks for that (I snorted).
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2012, 2:53 PM
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I wasn't trying to trample all over planning process...just the new proposal looks better then the orignal, less intrusive to the Parkdale streetscape.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 10:19 PM
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HCA update:

http://hintonburg.com/devwatch.html
  • A proposal for a 36 storey condo tower was previously submitted by Tega developments. This proposal was strongly opposed by the HCA and has been withdrawn.
  • Tega met in a preconsultation with the HCA on May 1, 2012 to present a revised rough concept plan with an 18 storey tower on the Hamilton frontage, and an 8 storey tower on the Parkdale side. The whole block except for the Carleton Tavern is included in this plan.
  • The HCA, on a preliminary basis, has indicated that it considers that there is no architectural excellence or other justification for an 18-storey tower. The HCA has also expressed strong concerns about the visual impact of the building from Parkdale. The number of proposed parking spots was also discussed.
  • The developer may take this feedback into consideration as it develops a proposal for consideration by the City and community.
  • Public meetings will be held when detailed plans are available.
  • On June 10, the HCA provided its comments to the developer based on the preliminary plans presented for pre-consultation.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2012, 12:45 AM
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No compromise by CA

Unbelievable,

The project is cut by 50% in density and it is still not good enough. I agree that 36 stories was probably a stretch but this proposal is far more reasonable for a Brown field site that will require $$ for clean up.

In the city core, 18 stories is a fair proposal. They should have proposed 20.

I am pro intensification and anti pave over farm fields for suburbs.

If this eventually ends up at the OMB the Hintinburg CA will lose.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2012, 1:34 AM
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If someone wants permission to build an exceptional building, why shouldn't they have to design an exceptional building?

PS don't forget that it is Tega that we're talking about here, so they're not getting a pass on reputation alone.
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