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Old Posted Apr 21, 2012, 8:17 PM
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I hate so say it, but a good example is Caruso: the Grove is plastic, but it is surrounded by the Farmer's market, small retail, existing and potential development across 3rd St., and Beverly Center has been forced to rethink itself.
Speaking of Caruso.... He says he has $750 Million worth of projects in the pipeline, including one on the scale of The Grove. Now, what do you think the chances of some of this $750 going in to downtown? It's not like he has many other geographical locations left in L.A.. He's covered Glendale, multiple areas in Mid-City, and Santa Monica is pretty much maxed-out concerning retail development. I'd bet some good money that he is planning on building in downtown.

EDIT: Also, just saying, but Santa Monica's office vacancy rate is officially at 9.6%, making it not only the lowest in L.A. County, but also at that level in which new office development can be proposed.
     
     
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I'm not sure if the height limit necessarily compromised dt anymore than the way that fwys or transit (or lack of such) did. I'd say what really didn't help the hood was a lack of enough $$ to spread evenly & nicely over all the land throughout dt. When LA was in its first phase of major devlpt, so much of the wealth in america was elsewhere, east of the mississippi & north of santa barbara.
Yikes! The photo of DTLA you posted was a DT under going change......like many DTs have over their history. Manhattan did not spring up overnite fully formed with skyscrapers. There were low rise bldgs with asphalt roofs and residential interspersed adjacent to the new skyscrapers going up. Slowly, Manhattan's central core expanded to absorb those areas and make them higher density. In fact, when the original DT Manhattan [lower Manhattan] was starting to thrive, midtown and uptown were still cow pastures.

IMO you're too harsh a critic.
     
     
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I posted about this last month but no one seemed to notice.....
I didn't miss it...........its great bldg.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2012, 8:49 PM
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^ the earlier announcement of the bldg's sale didn't contain a specific date when the new owner would start leasing apts in the bldg. I didn't think the process would begin for a few more months, so news that ppl can start signing up to rent at the end of this month is a welcome surprise.

here are some inside shots of the bldg. Only thing I'm not a big fan of are the exposed, unpainted concrete ceilings. I wonder what the ceilings in the original bldg looked like? If that deconstructionist style ever becomes passe in the future, I can see the owner being lobbied by tenants to redo the ceilings so they're more like the way they were when the bldg first opened in the early 1900s.
The Brockman was built originally as an office bldg. I suspect the ceilings were very vanilla.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2012, 9:03 PM
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People need to email the city and developers about these developments. What the city really needs to to is set up stricter community guidelines and a design committee to judge these things.

This sort of faux historicity should not be allowed. I know there is an element out there that likes it and has the money to build it, but if that must be the case they need to put in the detail that makes it actually fit in with the rest of the buildings. There are so many corners cut in this design it becomes so obvious that this is a design straight out of a Porter Ranch big box strip mall.

Also a housing component would be nice.
I agree. People in LA did to take a more active role in their built environment.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Oh, look, more renderings. This are of the new Convention Center/Farmers Field thing.

A XMAS tree and ice skaters amidst a bright green summer lawn. I think the artist must have been on crack.
     
     
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Jesus Christ!

LOL. Jezus had nothing to do with it!
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2012, 9:14 PM
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I wouldn't compare Farmers Field to Cowboys Stadium. A better comparison would be CenturyLink Field in Seattle. In the sense that there might not be a lot of room to tailgate but there are plenty of bars and restaraunts nearby so there won't be a need to tailgate.
Yeah. Few people tailgate here........and there is at least one [maybe two]lite rail stops serving both Safeco and Centurylink. One of the Centurylink parking lots is under construction for hi rise residential.

With so much transit converging on DTLA, Famers' has a great opportunity to bring fans in by rail/bus rather than cars.
     
     
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Personally, apart from the obvious (Broadway), I am hoping that development can somehow manage to cross Los Angeles St (to the east), or 7th St. (to the south). Those areas, in addition to the Jewelery District, have lots of underused or outright abandoned buildings that are ripe for retail, creative commercial spaces, loft residences, and condominiums. We'll see.
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IMHO I say who the hell cares. So what if they had history there, the Dodgers supposedly were more legendary in Brooklyn, but look where that leads to now. It's business baby.
I am from MN originally. It will be a snowy day in July in LA before the Vikings move to LA. Trust.
     
     
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Speaking of Caruso.... He says he has $750 Million worth of projects in the pipeline, including one on the scale of The Grove. Now, what do you think the chances of some of this $750 going in to downtown?
Does the proposed Village at USC count as a Caruso project?

See village.usc.edu.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2012, 6:29 AM
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Does the proposed Village at USC count as a Caruso project?

See village.usc.edu.
No, because, as far as I know, that is not a Caruso project.
     
     
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So it seems as though the renovation of 845 Fig is starting.
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otoh, this pic of dt from the 1930s shows alot of what I'd consider as type devlpt. And even if it were in color, I don't think it would make most ppl think it was a fantastic looking hood.....




What I see is a photo taken from a less dense part of DTLA that is a mix of residential and commercial looking at a more dense part of the DT area. There are no parking lots which you consistently complain about but there are telephone/electric poles........of course those were visible in the Pittsburgh photo as well. So what is there are about the bldgs in this photo you don't like.....beyond simply saying "yuck"?
Well actually, that part of LA in the immediate foreground of that photo was not part of DTLA back then. What is now considered "downtown" has massively grown over the decades. Changes in zoning have altered the character of what were once single-family residential neighborhoods and industrial areas around the old historic core of Los Angeles. In fact, I read an article recently (from KPCC, maybe?) that said that LA was one of the first cities in the US to introduce specific land-use zoning; LA's city leaders in the very early years of the 20th century did not want what the older east coast cities had at the time, like people living on the same block as, or even next-door to, smoke-belching factories, apartment buildings with meat-packing plants on the first few floors, etc.

Considering the gripes people make about the aesthetics of LA's built environment and the negative, supposed "image-conscious" artificiality that people in other parts of the US associate with LA, for a place that's accepted me and many other people for who and what they are, I must say, somewhat ironically, that I find LA to be a city that's very real.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2012, 9:41 PM
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Patience. DTLA has been struggling for decades. Its not going to become a full throttle DT overnite. New restaurants and artists are at the beginning of the renaissance process; not the end.



Even if DT SF and DT LA are comparable, SF currently has the edge. In one of the my posts, I showed a significant new office skyscraper recently proposed for DT SF. The reason there is a new office bldg ready to go into construction during the next year is because DT SF has net absorption. DTLA does not. In the past, DT SF may have lost headquarters to the suburbs but there are new headquarters like Facebook, Google, and Twitter taking their place and actively absorbing large chunks of office space DT.

That's why I keep harping on economics so much. DTLA's economics have to improve in order to have the kind of dynamic DT people on this thread want.
I agree that general economic vitality is critical to office growth. Sort of makes sense.

Just to clarify, Facebook and Google have HQ's about 30 miles south of SF. Twitter has a very small HQ in a SF low-rise. They would have moved to Silicon Valley but the city offerred them a waiver of taxes.

As for total employment and new buildings, it depends on what you mean by DT SF. Does this include just the financial district, or Market, SoMa and surroundings. I don't really care either way, but it's a matter of how far you believe the DT areas really extend. Probably not worth discussing.
     
     
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IMO you're too harsh a critic.

Not compared with the ppl who caused these results....



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American cities favorability poll

The Pacific Northwest has a good reputation nationwide--the two most popular of the 21 prominent cities we asked about in our national poll last weekend are Seattle and Portland, OR. 57% of American voters see Seattle favorably and only 14% unfavorably, edging out Portland (52-12) by three points on the margin.

The most unpopular is Detroit, which only 22% see positively and 49% negatively. Americans have net-negative impressions of only two other of these cities, and both are in California: Oakland (21-39) and Los Angeles (33-40). In February, PPP found California to be the least popular state in the union. It does have the 11th most popular city, though: San Francisco (48-29).

Between the pack are Boston (52-17), Atlanta (51-19), Phoenix (49-18), Dallas (48-21), New York (49-23), New Orleans (47-24), Houston (45-22), Salt Lake City (43-20), Philadelphia (42-22), Baltimore (37-24), Las Vegas (43-33), Chicago (42-33), Cleveland (32-25), Washington, D.C. (44-39), and Miami (36-33).

^ some of that can be taken with a big grain of salt, cuz there are some & cities on the list that score better than LA. Still, to be stuck on the bottom with a long running disaster like detroit & a longtime joke like oakland means we got a big problem.

I think too many ppl in LA for too long have not realized just about how overly gritty & fugly the city feels & looks to too many ppl. I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of those ppl think it is, but I must be in a minority.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2012, 11:22 PM
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The Brockman was built originally as an office bldg. I suspect the ceilings were very vanilla.
Not if the interior somewhat mimicked the exterior. It's possible the ceilings had crown moldings & even additional intricate plaster work.

other than that----& with all the posts about one city compared with another & the debbie downer poll on US cities----this thread right now is getting a bit too dry. So I'll insert some visuals to keep things moving....

this is a recent shot of cliftons with its entire first level now walled off...


Swellkh, tumblr


fwiw, I can see this parking bldg on spring st has gotten a very bright layer of paint...


maps.google.com


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You DO have a plethora of personas.
Um, excuse me? I have no clue as to what that means, or what you are trying to imply.
     
     
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Um, excuse me? I have no clue as to what that means, or what you are trying to imply.
Maybe cuz you say "personally" a lot?IDK
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On a more interesting note, i'm sure everyone's already read the LATimes Commercial Real Estate quarterly report and the two articles accompanying it...

Here's a piece from the one on office vacancies...

Los Angeles County office market flat in first quarter

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. . .The Westside is the region's most expensive office market, and as it starts to tighten, landlords in other markets hope to lure tenants fleeing rising rents.

Downtown Los Angeles, which has some of the best upscale office buildings in the West, stands to benefit. . .
http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-commre-overview-20120422,0,7211405.story
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