Port Mann/Highway 1 Improvements | Completed

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by sacrifice333

Is 72nd the last stop light on HWY 91? Would be superb to eliminate it!

There's also a fairly low train bridge between Glover & 232 that could use replacement.

Maybe that New West ped bridge could be speed up through these new funds?

Ps is the entire $700M "new" money? Or is some of it past promised?!

It's ALL new money. Except it could go to any place in the province, plus they've announced it is NOT going to do much to reduce congestion anywhere.

There's already $$$ allocated for the 72 Avenue interchange. It's just the MOT and Delta who can't agree on what to do.

[Metro-One]

I think that 25 billion by the private sector will not reduce congestion anywhere.

The 700 million though is for roads I believe.

How much you want to bet that 25 billion in private infrastructure is simply oil pipelines and ports?

[Daguy]

I think a portion of the 700 million will likely go to the next phase of the Cariboo Connector. I'd like to see the Westbank and Vernon bypasses on the radar, but I really doubt those will happen any time soon.

[Denscity]

And id like to see some Highway 3, 3a and 22 widenimg as well as some new technology like WAAS here at YCG to improve landing and takeoff reliability. Airports have been mentioned.

[Zassk]

Since it's associated with Gateway, I would expect any money spent in the interior to be spent on Highway 1.

[Daguy]

Originally Posted by Denscity

And id like to see some Highway 3, 3a and 22 widenimg as well as some new technology like WAAS here at YCG to improve landing and takeoff reliability. Airports have been mentioned.

Whoa man, don't hold your breath. Alberta has twinning Highway 3 to the BC border in the planning stages, but that's like 20 to 25 years from now. Idaho is working to four lane all of highway 95 to nearly Interstate standards, so I could see the stretch between Kingsgate and the Alberta border being widened in the long term, but I'm guessing 15 to 20 years before the government even thinks about it.

Some upgrading to the sight lines and shoulders in segments between highway 1 and Osoyoos, as well as Keremeos and highway 97 would be nice, but I think four laning is unlikely anytime remotely soon because the connector takes most of the traffic that previously drove the 3/3A.

Highway 22 I can't speak for; I believe I rode it when I was little kid with my parents, but I have no memory of it. What is the drive like?

Zassk probably has it right. Highway 1 has higher traffic counts than other 2 lane interior highways, and is more in need of twinning than the Cariboo Connector. The Cariboo segment has much lower traffic counts than highway, especially in rural areas. I understand the logic behind 4 four laning due to growing truck traffic, but I think it is a secondary priority to highway 1. Historically north south connections were most important, but due to growing trade with Asia, upgrades will be seen in areas like highway 16 as the Port of Prince Rupert expands.

[go_leafs_go02]

And, the MOT has been rebuilding bridges along the Hope-Princeton to handle 2 lanes of traffic. There's absolutely NO plans to widen Highway 1 outside of climbing lanes and small sections for safety.

[Denscity]

Ya this was more of a hope than an expectation. Highway 3a from here to Nelson and highway 22 from here to Trail are a lot busier than 3 anyways. The government in Victoria is ours as well so id like to see the odd tax dollar from here actually get spent here.

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

And, the MOT has been rebuilding bridges along the Hope-Princeton to handle 2 lanes of traffic. There's absolutely NO plans to widen Highway 1 outside of climbing lanes and small sections for safety.

I assume that you meant Hwy "3".

In fact, a major priority list of BC MoT, during the late 1990's, included the Whipsaw Creek section west of Princeton in terms of straightening to a 100 km/hr design standard. Again, not 4-laning, but a significantly higher design speed. Still big bucks involved thereto in that terrain.

The 1949 Hope-Princeton section through the Cascades still requires considerable geometry work in the future. Had the Coquihalla not been constructed, Hwy 3 in that area would have been addressed years ago with its obvious major increase in traffic counts.

Otherwise, most of the other matters within BC MoT's (late) 1990's priority list have already been addressed (or will be addressed).

[renthefinn]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Ya this was more of a hope than an expectation. Highway 3a from here to Nelson and highway 22 from here to Trail are a lot busier than 3 anyways. The government in Victoria is ours as well so id like to see the odd tax dollar from here actually get spent here.

Though the government seat is in Victoria, Victoria itself rarely see's any provincial funds for infrastructure. The region saw some back during the last reign of the NDP, but I hope the NDP doesn't reign again..... I'd like to keep politics off this thread though, forgive me...

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

I assume that you meant Hwy "3".

In fact, a major priority list of BC MoT, during the late 1990's, included the Whipsaw Creek section west of Princeton in terms of straightening to a 100 km/hr design standard. Again, not 4-laning, but a significantly higher design speed. Still big bucks involved thereto in that terrain.

The 1949 Hope-Princeton section through the Cascades still requires considerable geometry work in the future. Had the Coquihalla not been constructed, Hwy 3 in that area would have been addressed years ago with its obvious major increase in traffic counts.

Otherwise, most of the other matters within BC MoT's (late) 1990's priority list have already been addressed (or will be addressed).

Ah yes, I meant Highway 3, my bad. It's a fun highway to drive, although it's fully evident that they tried to widen all the "easy" sections while tried to ignore the "tough" sections. You go from almost freeway like design where it's easy to do 120 km/h to all of a sudden going down to a narrow 2 lane section where some corners aren't safe to do more than 30 km/h.

We'll see if some safety realignments are done in the future, but ultimate 4 laning I doubt we'll ever see.

[BurnabyAaron]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

Ah yes, I meant Highway 3, my bad. It's a fun highway to drive, although it's fully evident that they tried to widen all the "easy" sections while tried to ignore the "tough" sections. You go from almost freeway like design where it's easy to do 120 km/h to all of a sudden going down to a narrow 2 lane section where some corners aren't safe to do more than 30 km/h.

We'll see if some safety realignments are done in the future, but ultimate 4 laning I doubt we'll ever see.

Hey Guys,

I just drove the Entire Crowsnest (#3) highway through BC, and man I love that road.

But it does need an absolute ton of work between Hope and Princeton. The rest of the highway seems to be in okay shape, but even though full 4 laning is probably a generation off even being needed, they should build a few more passing lanes through that section.

Possibly even 4 laning of the easy sections between Princeton and the border would be good, just to give people the chance to get around the Trucks.

The terrain is tough along that road that, if you take the strecth between Rock Creek and Osoyoos as an example, even doing a little bit of straightening would require massive capital expenditures.

They would be cool projects, but until highway 1 is Widened from Alberta to Kelowna i would expect very little to be done along this road.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by BurnabyAaron

They would be cool projects, but until highway 1 is Widened from Alberta to Kelowna i would expect very little to be done along this road.

Highways like this that get upgraded loose a lot of their charm, IMHO. Although I rarely use the Coquihalla, I'm really glad it's there because it's taken much of the traffic from Highways 1 and 3 so that we still have these great, bucolic roads to drive on.

[Mininari]

I'm guessing that the Province will spend about 1/4 of the money on the Caribou Connector, perhaps 1/4 in the Okanagan on continued upgrades along Hwy 97, and the remainder on the TCH. Further to that, I'm sure they'll look for leverage from the feds via the Federal Pacific Asia Gateway Intiative, especially for the TCH. Phase 4 of the Kicking horse is going to be EXPENSIVE. Either that, or they'll go after some of that 'low hanging fruit' along the remainder of the route (easy 4-laning projects) to show 'progress' on their 'Kamloops to the Alberta Border' project.

Either way, this has election optics written all over it.

[huenthar]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Highways like this that get upgraded loose a lot of their charm, IMHO. Although I rarely use the Coquihalla, I'm really glad it's there because it's taken much of the traffic from Highways 1 and 3 so that we still have these great, bucolic roads to drive on.

totally. #3 Hope-Princeton is one of the prettiest drives in the region. I don't WANT to go more than 30 in the really steep windy sections; I want to enjoy the drive! Take the Coquihalla if you need the speed, because it's also a much shorter route (to the okanagen/beyond), something like 60 kms less from Hope to Kelowna. Crowsnest should remain the 'scenic' route. Some minor improvements are ok, a repaving definitely (huuuge potholes), a full 4-laning? no thanks.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by huenthar

totally. #3 Hope-Princeton is one of the prettiest drives in the region. I don't WANT to go more than 30 in the really steep windy sections; I want to enjoy the drive! Take the Coquihalla if you need the speed, because it's also a much shorter route (to the okanagen/beyond), something like 60 kms less from Hope to Kelowna. Crowsnest should remain the 'scenic' route. Some minor improvements are ok, a repaving definitely (huuuge potholes), a full 4-laning? no thanks.

The #3 is also a gateway to the Southeast, though.

Interestingly, if you plug in Vancouver to Cranbrook into Google Maps, the first two fastest routes take you to Seattle before you head East. The third option is the crowsnest Highway.

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

The #3 is also a gateway to the Southeast, though.

Interestingly, if you plug in Vancouver to Cranbrook into Google Maps, the first two fastest routes take you to Seattle before you head East. The third option is the crowsnest Highway.

That's likely because Google Maps has a standard 50 km/h speed limit on alot of roads unless it's been edited by someone.

I'd guess Highway 3 has a 50 km/h "speed limit" on google maps that needs to be updated.

No way you'd save time overall..

[BurnabyAaron]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

The #3 is also a gateway to the Southeast, though.

Interestingly, if you plug in Vancouver to Cranbrook into Google Maps, the first two fastest routes take you to Seattle before you head East. The third option is the crowsnest Highway.

That is the route I use the #3 for. I've used the drive through Seattle twice, and both times found the border wait to add too much to the drive to make it worth it. And during the summer taking the Coquihalla up to Kamloops, then the #1 to Golden and down can be painfully slow with all the summer travelers.

Funny, it always surprises me to see Cranbrook written on the internet, be it in the news or written on a board.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by BurnabyAaron

That is the route I use the #3 for. I've used the drive through Seattle twice, and both times found the border wait to add too much to the drive to make it worth it. And during the summer taking the Coquihalla up to Kamloops, then the #1 to Golden and down can be painfully slow with all the summer travelers.

Funny, it always surprises me to see Cranbrook written on the internet, be it in the news or written on a board.

Poor Fort Steele... outdone by Cranbrook.

Did you find that barring border wait times, the time was comparable?
Did you take the #2 or the i-90 to Seattle?

I generally never have waits at the border, but I guess it depends on when you go. Nexus helps too. If you timed your trip to end up at the border late-night, I wonder what the actual difference in time would be.

[BurnabyAaron]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Poor Fort Steele... outdone by Cranbrook.

Did you find that barring border wait times, the time was comparable?
Did you take the #2 or the i-90 to Seattle?

I generally never have waits at the border, but I guess it depends on when you go. Nexus helps too. If you timed your trip to end up at the border late-night, I wonder what the actual difference in time would be.

Cranbrook would have been so much better had it been Fort Steele instead.

I've only ever done the I-90. I was about 11.5 hours to Cranbrook whereas my trip back to Van that weekend on the 3 I believe took 10.5. Without the border wait of an hour on the way down to states the times would have been comparable.