The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 65

nname · #**1281** Posted **Mar 12, 2012, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

- Vancouver's ferry ridership down (-6.73%)

The main reason for this is because the ridership is way higher in 2010 due to the Olympics. For those 17 days, ridership grow 119% on average during weekday, 382% on Satuday, and 450% on Sunday. The Olympic ridership was so high that this year's increase isn't enough to compensate it.

Nouvellecosse · #**1282** Posted **Mar 12, 2012, 8:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hali87

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Coldrsx · #**1283** Posted **Mar 12, 2012, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Good news! The American Public transportation Association (APTA) has just released it's Public Transportation Ridership Report for the 4th quarter of 2011 completing the year's statistics. http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2011-q4-ridership-APTA.pdf

Highlights for year over year ridership in Canada:

- Every city/agency except Calgary saw year over year ridership gains

- Calgary Transit's overall ridership dropped by 2.49% (-2.98% rail, -1.96% bus)

- Brampton had the largest percentage gain system wide (17.95%)

- Scarborough RT ridership increased by 18.09%

- Toronto's TTC still has the highest ridership of any agency in Canada with 2,655,500 weekday riders on average

- Montreal's STM is a close second with 2,540,700 weekday riders on average

- Montreal's ridership growing faster (4.17% vs 3.54%)

- Ottawa's O-train ridership up 16.56%

- Montreal's commuter service AMT's ridership increased 7.65%

- Vancouver's ferry ridership down (-6.73%)

Not every city/agency is represented due to some not having released their statistics at the time of the report.

Forgetting someone?

Edmonton +5.08 LR and +4.32 overall.... not bad at all.

12,397.4 12,055.2 11,876.4 12,070.2 11,619.8
NA 3.50%
128,437.2 123,115.8 4.32% 12,358.4
AB Edmonton Edmonton Transit System TOTAL
2,522.0 2,553.9 2,483.4
NA
LR 2,446.5 2,486.5 2,393.7 3.17%
26,434.2 25,156.0 5.08%
Edmonton Transit System
9,836.4 9,843.5 9,571.8
NA
MB 9,429.9 9,583.7 9,226.1 3.58%
102,003.0 97,959.8 4.13%
Edmonton Transit System
AB Edmonton

Wharn · #**1284** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 12:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well, what one considers major is very subjective, some (like my wife from Japan) feels there are no major cities in Canada. For me, the cut off is 1 million.

I actually find it interesting that your wife thinks that, because most major Japanese metropolitan areas are actually smaller than Vancouver (Sapporo comes the closest, I think it's about 2.5 million). Toronto, which is our largest metro, is actually beaten by only two Japanese metro areas: Osaka (which would also include Kyoto), and Tokyo (which is so massive it actually isn't even legally a city anymore). Japanese cities are much denser, though, so I can see where she's coming from. A Japanese exchange student at Western once told me London felt like "somewhere in the country" compared to where he was from (Matsuyama, I think). A friend of mine has family in Hakodate, which is smaller than London, but from what I see in his numerous photos it always looks so much livelier than this place

Personally, I think the cutoff for a "large" city in Canada ought to be a CMA of 700,000 people, which is about the point where roads can no longer effectively serve the entire population. After that, you can't just plan things London-style anymore. You have to start getting serious about transit and large-scale planning. Cities like la Vieille Capitale, Hamilton and Winnipeg would make this cutoff.

Ayreonaut · #**1285** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 1:07 AM**

Nagoya has about 10 million as well.

SFUVancouver · #**1286** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 3:10 AM**

Does STM service the suburbs of Montreal, or are there other transit operators in the Metropolitan Montreal region?

Also, is there a source where all of the GTA's transit operators, excluding the TTC, have their ridership statistics publicly available?

I ask both question because I am working on a project for school and it would be useful to have comparable metropolitan transit ridership statistics for the the MTV big three cities.

Thanks in advance.

begratto · #**1287** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Does STM service the suburbs of Montreal, or are there other transit operators in the Metropolitan Montreal region?

Taken from the Agence métropolitaine de transports' (AMT) site:

There are 14 transit agencies in the Montreal area

3 public transport agencies (these are the big 3):

9 intermunicipal boards of transport (CIT) (the links are on the ATM's site):

CIT de Chambly-Richelieu-Carignan
CIT de la Presqu’Île
CIT de la Vallée du Richelieu
CIT de Sorel-Varennes
CIT du Haut-Saint-Laurent
CIT du Sud-Ouest
CIT Laurentides
CIT Le Richelain
CIT Roussillon

1 regional transport board (CRT) :
CRT de Lanaudière

1 municipality that organizes its own public transit service: the town of Sainte-Julie

And the AMT that runs the suburban trains and organizes this big mess.

Easy, no?

Edit: Here's a map that explains it all.

SFUVancouver · #**1288** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 4:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by begratto

There are 14 transit agencies in the Montreal area

LOL!

Thanks very much for the links.

Forget apples to apples comparisons between Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver; I'll be happy with just fruit to fruit.

Nouvellecosse · #**1289** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 4:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by begratto

Taken from the Agence métropolitaine de transports' (AMT) site:

There are 14 transit agencies in the Montreal area

3 public transport agencies (these are the big 3):

9 intermunicipal boards of transport (CIT) (the links are on the ATM's site):

CIT de Chambly-Richelieu-Carignan
CIT de la Presqu’Île
CIT de la Vallée du Richelieu
CIT de Sorel-Varennes
CIT du Haut-Saint-Laurent
CIT du Sud-Ouest
CIT Laurentides
CIT Le Richelain
CIT Roussillon

1 regional transport board (CRT) :
CRT de Lanaudière

1 municipality that organizes its own public transit service: the town of Sainte-Julie

And the AMT that runs the suburban trains and organizes this big mess.

Easy, no?

Edit: Here's a map that explains it all.

What's amazing is that despite the STM only covering the islands of MTL and Bizard and serving over 800,000 fewer people, the STM has nearly the level of ridership as the TTC. I wonder what is its secret to success...

Pavlov · #**1290** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 4:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Good news! The American Public transportation Association (APTA) has just released it's Public Transportation Ridership Report for the 4th quarter of 2011 completing the year's statistics. http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2011-q4-ridership-APTA.pdf

Highlights for year over year ridership in Canada:

- Every city/agency except Calgary saw year over year ridership gains

- Calgary Transit's overall ridership dropped by 2.49% (-2.98% rail, -1.96% bus)

Calgary numbers seem a bit strange. 2011 October, November and December numbers are all up between 3% to 5% from 2010 numbers. Seems unlikely that year to year numbers could be so different, doesn't it?

Hali87 · #**1291** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 5:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

What's amazing is that despite the STM only covering the islands of MTL and Bizard and serving over 800,000 fewer people, the STM has nearly the level of ridership as the TTC. I wonder what is its secret to success...

I would guess that more of the STM stations are in areas that are easier to serve by transit, since Montreal was larger before the freeway era and grew at a slower rate afterwards.

edit: fixed the link.

Nouvellecosse · #**1292** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 6:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Reesonov

Calgary numbers seem a bit strange. 2011 October, November and December numbers are all up between 3% to 5% from 2010 numbers. Seems unlikely that year to year numbers could be so different, doesn't it?

It is a bit strange, but you can see in the older reports here, that in 2011 Q1, Q2, & Q3, they were all down compared to their corresponding quarters in 2010, with drops ranging from 4.7% to 5.3%. So it was only due to the rebound in the 4th quarter that the annual ridership dropped as little as it did.

Hopefully the 4th quarter stats will signal the start of a sustained rebound and that this year's lower numbers with be a one-off.

I'm still curious as to what could be behind the drop though. Any Calgary forumers want to weigh in?

Rico Rommheim · #**1293** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 6:22 AM**

I think its high time for Montreal to have a Vancouver-style transit organization a la Translink. Enough of this 14 different transit bodies.

Nouvellecosse · #**1294** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 6:47 AM**

Do they all accept OPUS? If so, then it might not make a huge difference to the end user anyway.

Ayreonaut · #**1295** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 6:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

I'm still curious as to what could be behind the drop though. Any Calgary forumers want to weigh in?

I haven't really been in the city much over the past two years, but I could guess. Perhaps there are some delays associated with the WLRT construction that have been turning people off.

srperrycgy · #**1296** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 1:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ayreonaut

I haven't really been in the city much over the past two years, but I could guess. Perhaps there are some delays associated with the WLRT construction that have been turning people off.

I doubt it's WLRT construction. The majority of work there is done. The likely culprit could the changes in paid parking at park-and-ride lots. A portion of each lot is now reserved for a monthly fee. The remaining spots are free. But those reserved spots are open to all without payment after 10:00am weekdays.

Rico Rommheim · #**1297** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 2:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Do they all accept OPUS? If so, then it might not make a huge difference to the end user anyway.

I think so, but if you have a Montreal Opus, you can't just ride in the whole metropolitan region, you need to buy the fares of which ever transport company you're in.

1331Massi · #**1298** Posted **Mar 13, 2012, 11:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

I think so, but if you have a Montreal Opus, you can't just ride in the whole metropolitan region, you need to buy the fares of which ever transport company you're in.

I think the OPUS only works for the entire STM and STL systems, plus the commuter train. But you're right about the fares.

The Gibbroni · #**1299** Posted **Mar 14, 2012, 2:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

I think its high time for Montreal to have a Vancouver-style transit organization a la Translink. Enough of this 14 different transit bodies.

Absolutely!

The Gibbroni · #**1300** Posted **Mar 14, 2012, 2:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Do they all accept OPUS? If so, then it might not make a huge difference to the end user anyway.

OPUS is used on all area transit systems as well as Québec City but you have to load each system's fares separately and you can only load up to 4 different systems on one card.