YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Air Canada had flights to Melbourne from YVR, but they ended just after 9/11.

Do you think the market might soon be OK to recommence that service? Oh, and was it nonstop, or one-stop?

[Johnny Aussie]

^The MEL flight originated in YYZ and was via HNL. The routings were YVR-HNL-SYD and YYZ-HNL-MEL. Anybody traveling from YVR to MEL changed planes in HNL. So like I said if there ever is to be s nonstop MEL-YVR I'd be passenger #1... until then it's AC via SYD or NZ via AKL... Both excellent options though.

I would be skeptical of a nonstop to Melbourne in the next 5 years... Who knows!

[whatnext]

Air Canada has confirmed YVR will be one of the initial three airports to see their 787's:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-inv...om-seven-canadian-cities/article2358591/

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Air Canada has confirmed YVR will be one of the initial three airports to see their 787's:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-inv...om-seven-canadian-cities/article2358591/

I wonder what routes will use 787s out of YVR.

[Gordon]

I would suspect any of the Asian routes that currently use the 767 A330s will be the first YvR routes to see the 787s

Does anyone think AC will ever bing the YVR Tokyo Haneda route back?

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I wonder what routes will use 787s out of YVR.

I would imagine that it will be replacement routes for now. I don't think YVR will see new 787 routes with the first deliveries. India and even China will be launched out of YYZ first, guaranteed.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Gordon

I would suspect any of the Asian routes that currently use the 767 A330s will be the first YvR routes to see the 787s

Does anyone think AC will ever bing the YVR Tokyo Haneda route back?

Definitely will bring that route back when they get more favorable landing slots. The timing is only good on the return portion of the flight.

[Johnny Aussie]

I am so surprised at this news release! Imagine YYZ, YVR and YUL being the first bases seeing the AC 787. Wow, groundbreaking news!
And I like his choice of words of "envisage" when it comes to further developments.... Duh

On that note I do see HND, CAN, possibly KIX and DEL down the road from YVR.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I am so surprised at this news release! Imagine YYZ, YVR and YUL being the first bases seeing the AC 787. Wow, groundbreaking news!
And I like his choice of words of "envisage" when it comes to further developments.... Duh

On that note I do see HND, CAN, possibly KIX and DEL down the road from YVR.

In other news, Apple will be releasing a new iPad.

[trofirhen]

My sales contact at YVR said he's "bullish" about getting ISTANBUL as a destination from YVR.

Turkish has Toronto-Istanbul already, even though there is no bilateral between Turkey and Canada.

However, Turkish is Star Alliance, so that might help. If YVR got an over-the-pole to Istanbul, it could be our gateway to the near Mid-East, and everything from Cairo to Jo'burg.

Worth fighting for.

[jsbertram]

Toronto papers have been gushing over the Dreamliner.


Dreamliner 787 jet from Boeing shows off its assets to media on flight from Toronto to Boston
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/...o-media-on-flight-from-toronto-to-boston


The Star article also has the Great Circle diagram of the Dreamliner's range from Toronto:



Who wants to do a similar Great Circle diagram centered on Vancouver?

[s211]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Toronto papers have been gushing over the Dreamliner.


Dreamliner 787 jet from Boeing shows off its assets to media on flight from Toronto to Boston
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/...o-media-on-flight-from-toronto-to-boston


The Star article also has the Great Circle diagram of the Dreamliner's range from Toronto:



Who wants to do a similar Great Circle diagram centered on Vancouver?

Well, I'll be jiggered. Toronto really IS the centre of the universe...

[incognism]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Who wants to do a similar Great Circle diagram centered on Vancouver?

Not as detailed, but based on a max range of 8200 nautical miles:

Flat view
Globe view

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

The Star article also has the Great Circle diagram of the Dreamliner's range from Toronto:



Who wants to do a similar Great Circle diagram centered on Vancouver?

There is one already. From the National Post: http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/02/at-air-canadas-75th-distant-dream-on-display/



To be fair, S211, the Star IS a Toronto newspaper...

[Johnny Aussie]

^ Well, since AC is getting the 800s, looks like non-stop YVR-MEL would be stretched to the limit, darn it!

All the other plausibilities should easily be in range.

[PaperTiger]

So really our only geopgraphic advantage over YYZ is SE Asia and Aus / NZ.

That's ... concerning.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

So really our only geopgraphic advantage over YYZ is SE Asia and Aus / NZ.

That's ... concerning.

For the most part, YYZ has always been the more accessible airport. Already with the 777s, the ranges can reach many of the destinations indicated in the maps. What makes the 787 different than other planes (aside from passenger experience improvements) is how it can reduce costs for airlines to run to destinations that would otherwise not be profitable with the use of 777s.

I would think the 787s would be able to reach SIN from YVR but it looks like that is barely the case (too close for comfort?). Then again, for routes to SIN, it probably wouldn't make sense to run direct routes anyway given that even competition doesn't have direct routes (only SQ runs direct, and in a J-Class configuration only to EWR [or was it JFK?] and LAX).

Interesting how BOM (Mumbai) is a destination that is considered. Perhaps this hints to increasing partnerships with Jet Airways (as they currently partner with).

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

So really our only geopgraphic advantage over YYZ is SE Asia and Aus / NZ.

That's ... concerning.

It is indeed. Like it or not, esp now that most planes will soon be able to overfly Vancouver on Key Pacific routes (as the already are starting to) we have to be content that YVR will never be a real hub.

What irks me especially, though is that, for example, to get to Europe, we always have to change at LHR, FRA, or AMS, but more likely at YYZ (to help pay for their $$$mungo airport, perhaps?) and seem "stuck" at getting any more direct European flights at the moment.

If YVR were somehow, magically, a "mid-way" point, > and YYZ is certainly that, even being smaller than Toronto, YVR would have better overseas connections. But that's in a different world, another planet.

We're out on a limb, as it were, much of it geography-based, and we have to forget any plans at being a hub.

Nevertheless, it's interesting to note that the feds ARE dragging their feet, deliberately it might seem, to give YYZ the advantage.

As an example, a high-level sales contact at YVR told me that not only were there several underestimated potential routes out of YVR, but also that he and his team were "bullish" about getting Istanbul as a destination, as it would be very convenient for access to not only Turkey and the Middle East, but also everything from Cairo to Cape Town.
Turkish Airlines is rapidly expanding, and is Star-Alliance. However there is no bilateral Canada-Turkey air agreement in place....... yet...

......... Despite that, Turkish was awarded a YYZ - Istanbul route not too long back. By whom? Ottawa? Or not?

Does that say anything, or am I just getting paranoid a little bit about this "syndrome?" Feedback welcome.

[MalcolmTucker]

......... Despite that, Turkish was awarded a YYZ - Istanbul route not too long back. By whom? Ottawa?

Would guess it is covered by European open skies if there is no bilateral listed.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Would guess it is covered by European open skies if there is no bilateral listed.

As Turkey is not an EU member state, the EU - Canada Open skies agreement would not apply here. The United States is forging ahead with numerous bilaterals. Canada drags its ass.