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Old Posted Dec 15, 2011, 7:39 PM
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Hmm.. so for now instead of real businesspeople there will be fake businesspeople on the site. Have they thought to also add a few lighthouses to highlight the city's nautical heritage?

The financial industry stuff is sad. Unfortunately NS is often behind the times, and the government is even worse than average, so normally by the time they step in the party's over. When an industry is at its peak the government think "hmmm... that X type stuff seems hot these days. We should have that!", then they proceed to implement their schemes while the "hot" pyramid schemes and bubbles collapse. In another 5-10 years they will probably start talking about "social network" stuff and throwing money at tech startups.

The shipbuilding contract is good news but will it create many downtown office type jobs? Maybe there will be sales or lobbying type efforts from small offices of major companies that will locate in Halifax? Maybe some subcontractors would locate downtown? It seems unlikely that many software or engineering companies would lease brand new prime downtown space. Traditionally engineers are sequestered in dungeons. Maybe they could attract these companies by building more floors underneath the planned semi-subterranean convention centre space.

The one big reason why I expect this will all somehow work out is that there's a lot of government money on the table. Rank has a huge incentive to somehow tap into that.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2011, 12:54 PM
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Hmm.. so for now instead of real businesspeople there will be fake businesspeople on the site. Have they thought to also add a few lighthouses to highlight the city's nautical heritage?

The financial industry stuff is sad. Unfortunately NS is often behind the times, and the government is even worse than average, so normally by the time they step in the party's over. When an industry is at its peak the government think "hmmm... that X type stuff seems hot these days. We should have that!", then they proceed to implement their schemes while the "hot" pyramid schemes and bubbles collapse. In another 5-10 years they will probably start talking about "social network" stuff and throwing money at tech startups.

The shipbuilding contract is good news but will it create many downtown office type jobs? Maybe there will be sales or lobbying type efforts from small offices of major companies that will locate in Halifax? Maybe some subcontractors would locate downtown? It seems unlikely that many software or engineering companies would lease brand new prime downtown space. Traditionally engineers are sequestered in dungeons. Maybe they could attract these companies by building more floors underneath the planned semi-subterranean convention centre space.

The one big reason why I expect this will all somehow work out is that there's a lot of government money on the table. Rank has a huge incentive to somehow tap into that.
Jordi Morgan on NEWS 95.7 sounded like this morning he had a sense from somethings he's heard that this should be going ahead in the next couple months. He sounded like he wasn't worried about it.

I agree for the amount of government money involved I still think this really has a 100% chance of happening.
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2011, 4:53 AM
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2011, 8:33 AM
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Assuming we care about direct polls on particular issues like this (chances are that zero correspondents had in-depth knowledge of the project -- this is part of the reason why we elect representatives in the first place!), the reality is that 42/50 is a good breakdown when you consider the perception that this is a project for Halifax.

Consider what the percentage breakdown would be if they did a survey about whether or not to do the $25M (or whatever it was) Bowater bailout.

It's easy to imagine a situation where you have one project for region A, one for region B, and one for region C and none of them ever have widespread support because people only vote parochially for the project in their own backyard. In situations like that it does not make sense to cancel projects because they are not universally supported.
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2011, 12:23 PM
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This poll was conducted in September 2011. The shipbuilding contract was awarded since then. The poll is meaningless.

http://www.news957.com/news/local/articl...ister-calls-convention-centre-poll-dated

Save the view of the refinery was preaching on the radio that the CC will be detrimental to our tourism. We may never see a tourist again in Halifax because of this. Oh the humanity. Think of the children! Won't somebody think of the children!
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2011, 2:50 PM
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The poll's data holds no value.

The shipbuilding contract has made a definite impact on Nova Scotians (and I don't just mean Haligonians). I'd like to see fresh polling on both population groups, actually. I've gathered that people in Halifax are optimistic about the recent progress-- but throwing a September poll at us is insulting.

And though someone has less bluntly mentioned a probably lack of knowledge amongst the general public regarding this project, I'm confident of the uneducation of those surveyed.

Even fresh numbers, at best, may serve as a political compass. The numbers are not indicative as to whether or not the convention centre makes business sense.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2012, 5:00 PM
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From the Halifax Herald...

Convention centre no 'white elephant'

An opinion piece on the Wall Street Journal’s website that portrays convention centres as “fancy white elephants” was greeted with a shrug by officials at the World Trade & Convention Centre in Halifax on Thursday.

“What we are developing for Halifax cannot in anyway be compared to what is happening with the trade show industry in the United States,” Scott Ferguson, Trade Centre Ltd.’s president and chief executive officer, said in an interview.

Ferguson said Trade Centre Ltd. is continuing to turn away significant conferences and conventions for Halifax due to the diminutive size and age of the existing facility, and that trend is only expected to accelerate with organizers of big gatherings in Canada taking their business elsewhere.

The opinion piece slammed convention centres in the United States received some aggressive email circulation in Halifax. It was the topic of the day on Jordi Morgan’s morning talk show on HalifaxNews 95.7.

“The U.S. market is entirely different than the Canadian model,” said Ferguson. “American cities have gone after big stand-alone complexes measuring in the millions of square feet, and each city continues to try to outsize the other with the size of their convention centre.”

Arguments favouring a replacement for the existing 50,000-square-foot Halifax convention centre cannot be undermined by data referring to some of the world’s biggest trade show complexes in major American cities, he said.

“We’re basically at capacity once the main room is booked, allowing us to handle only one event at a time, and again, we’re talking conventions and conferences, and not the big international auto and electronics shows.”

The article critical of convention centres that appeared Tuesday was a condensed version of an article by urban affairs critic Steven Malanga of New York City. The piece appeared originally in City Journal.

The rest of the story is here.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2012, 7:16 PM
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Yeah, this stuff is tricky because on the one hand you have to be skeptical of exceptionalism, but on the other hand it really is a somewhat different story.

The Nova Centre proposal is really not on par with what they build in places like Las Vegas, and it is not very speculative because Halifax already has a convention centre that is at capacity. It's unfair to characterize this purely as a "build it and they will come" scenario.

Partly convention centres should be viewed as a type of local infrastructure, similar to the library or maybe some kind of performing arts space. I think if it can be 60-70% justified based on the economics of attracting events then it's probably worthwhile, because there is a benefit in having meeting space available to the city and having important events take place there.

Too often there's an attitude that the benefit of an event in the city is 100% tourism dollars from hotels, restaurants, and taxi trips. That is not true at all and I resent how Halifax is often presented as a "tourist town" when that's such a small part of the overall economy. For something like, say, the Tall Ships event, the biggest benefit is that locals living in Halifax can go see it. For an academic or business conference, one important benefit is the advantage to local businesses and universities/labs/faculty that become "hosts".
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2012, 10:23 PM
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The comment I posted to the CH were a reminder of the STV non-sense. But what their research did show was that Canada's convention market is indeed different than the US's. Ours is stronger.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2012, 2:02 AM
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We seem to have a growing economy, while their economy seems to be suffering more and more every day. I would also imagine that they have a saturated market down there as they have a lot of convention centers in one area or city, especially in and plays out like Las Vegas where there are nothing but hotels everywhere. I believe even as their economy strengthens ,we will grow our economy much quicker in the future and therefore will have more of a need to be able to hold such conferences in modern state of the arts buildings, as we have become an international economic force, while the Americans trend the other way.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2012, 7:19 PM
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This from news957.com website:

Convention centre decision expected in March
Scott Simpson Jan 19, 2012 13:49:08 PM

The developer behind the downtown Halifax convention centre project expects to have a decision within the next 60 days.

The deadline has been extended several times, with tens of millions of dollars already commited by the federal, provincial and municipal governments.

Last summer, developer Joe Ramia said he hoped to have tenants for the financial centre above the convention levels signed on by mid-November.

That date came and went, and Thursday ramia told News95.7 he hopes to have a decision on whether to go forward or not within 60 days.
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2012, 1:39 PM
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March 19.

Here's hoping the Nova Centre has tenants by then; otherwise, we could be looking at some bold changes as to what will be built at this site (which may then be several smaller buildings instead of a conventions centre).
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2012, 7:38 PM
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Also, to go along with the above story.

An Art project will fill the void for the time being.

http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/1051191--art-project-to-fill-gaping-city-hole
Creepy...











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Old Posted Feb 13, 2012, 8:01 PM
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He froze waiting for the bus...
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 1:47 AM
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lol its like some kind of massacre or something....

But seriously, what an awful plight on the downtown. As if the empty hole wasnt bad enough. But, atleast signs are pointing in the right direction for this thing.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 1:49 AM
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Looks like a bunch of scattered garbage. Is there any news on this one?
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 2:30 AM
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Looks like Dresden after the firebombing........

Lets hope the Nova Centre gets on track soon so that this urban blight can be quickly eradicated!
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 3:50 AM
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Creepy...



All photos taken by me.
Is this some sort of pit where they throw the drunks bounced out of the liqour dome?
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 4:09 AM
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So instead of building an office tower it looks more like they bombed one .
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2012, 7:31 AM
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I think you stumbled upon Mayor Kelly's secret pit! All of his enemies and competition ends up in there tortured by the decline of 'Old Downtown'!

I wonder how long until the heritage nuts declare these manikins "historical pieces of art"?
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