The Great Canadian Transit Thread

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If only we had an IKEA...

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by davidivivid

Quebec City's écolobus. As the name might suggest, these buses function only on electricity and are used exclusively in the historic district.

"The Écolobus is a free downtown circulator service operated with electric buses. The vehicle’s maximum speed is 33km/h (20.5mph) and they have a service range of 100km (62 miles) or 12 hours. The buses take 8 hours to charge and seat 10 passengers, with room for 10 more to stand. The buses consume C$3.25 (~US$3.16) of electricity per day. The design of the bus with a large side door does not allow for fare collection, the bus driver is separated from the passengers in their own compartment. "

I believe a 1$ fee is now demanded... Thruth be told, these buses are manufactured in Italy and we've run into some problems especially during the winter.


http://www.quebecenmouvement.com/nos-positions/des-quartiers-bien-desservis/

LMAO!!! Out of NFI, ElDorado and Arbocs, they chose THAT?!?!

[Symz]

I like that little bus, it's a cute little thing.

[yaletown_fella]

Come to think of it both plans suck. What prevents the construction of an at-grade HRT on Eglinton? Provided that it tunnels only under intersections or even a cheap elevated system like in Vancouver.

An LRT is unacceptable unless its speed is equal to that of the current subways and automated.

I had no idea Ford wanted to tunnel it the entire way along Eglinton. That's absurd.

[MountainView]

Yesterday there was a collision between two OC Transpo buses on the transitway in Ottawa... 15 people injured, but none seriously.

[davidivivid]

Originally Posted by armorand93

LMAO!!! Out of NFI, ElDorado and Arbocs, they chose THAT?!?!

As I mentionned, these small buses are used exclusively in the historic downtown, where roads tend to be narrow. They are mostly used by tourists. I believe the city choose these buses to show its commitment to its Unesco's World Heritage status.


Otherwise, the transit system relies on Nova buses:






http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actu...1-928374-du-neuf-sur-le-parcours-801.php


The transit authority also began to introduce hybrid buses last year:


http://www.lineoz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18254&start=25

[Nouvellecosse]

We have several of those in Halifax greater, but they don't have all of that insulation around the articulated section. But I guess it's a good idea in QC's climate.

[Jstaleness]

I'm glad that we don't have those green seats. That green is ok for the outside but a poor seat choice.

[caltrane74]

Rob Ford has been defeated!!!!

Transit City is moving forward!!!!!

Above ground on Finch and underground / above ground on Eglinton.

[Wharn]

From a few days ago:

Mayor Rob Ford is telling the truth when he says the majority of Scarborough residents want the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown transit line buried underground, says a new poll from Forum Research.

The poll found that 63 per cent of Scarborough residents support an underground rapid transit line for the area compared with 55 per cent of residents citywide. Only 41 per cent of downtown residents thought the Scarborough section of the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown transit line should be buried.

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTV...glinton_Line_Poll/20120202/?hub=CP24Home

In other news, downtowners are no longer screaming for de-amalgamation now that they're getting their way.

Toronto is going to regret this in 20 years' time when the metro area has about 2 million more people using infrastructure built for a city the size of Ottawa.

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

This plan is even more absurd than the Sheppard Line & Spadina extension in Toronto.

There are much more densely populated parts of the Island (y'know, areas that are already developed) that have no metro service...so until those areas with an instant ridership base are served, it doesn't make sense to expand it to low-density suburban areas that will see greater development in "the future". It takes many years for that development to materialize.

By low density, are you referring the 150,000 people between the 13, 15 and 440? Because I live in Chomedy, and it is nothing if not densely populated. And the TODs that Vaillencourt plans will probably add another 50-100K in this area, so ya, densley populated.

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by mbeaumont

I'm one of those people opposed to the Laval extension, why should we build a Metro to Laval, when they just got 3 stations to boost development, when theres denser areas in Montreal that still are waiting on theirs. Blue line extension to the east, its been study after study but still no action. Heck I'd even support extending the yellow line further into Longeuil over Laval, at least the Viexu Longeuil area has higher densities than Laval.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the blue and yellow line extensions, it's just that if Laval wants subway, who has the right to tell these 400K people no?

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

Remember that Burnaby is much closer to the core in both relative and absolute terms than Laval is. LRT & BRT would be more than sufficient for it at this time.

the subway to Laval would have to go through dense neighborhoods first, an extension planned in the 80's but scrapped do to the moratorium.

[1331Massi]

Originally Posted by MTLskyline

I'm also opposed to further expansions in Laval, at least not until some other deserving areas get expansions first including Vieux-Longueuil which has double the population density of Laval.

These are Montreal's public transit priorities, IMO

1. Train connection between the airport and Central Station
2. Blue line east to Anjou/St. Leonard/Montreal North
3. Light rail to Griffintown/Nuns' Island and Brossard (which is also more densely populated than Laval)
4. Yellow line north to Parc/Pine intersection east of McGill's campus
5. Pie-IX light rail
6. Blue line west to NDG (Loyola campus of Concordia)
7. Yellow line southeast to downtown Longueuil and CEGEP Edouard-Montpetit (Going further than the CEGEP is completely unnecessary)
8. Western segment of orange line north to Bois-Franc
9. Green line west to LaSalle/Lachine border
10. Further orange line extension in Laval

Ditto, exept:

LRT from Nun's Island to East end via griffintown (all existing track)
Pie-IX Sapporo-style L
Blue line to Montreal-West train station
Orange line to sallaberry first, then to Laval

[Robertpuant]

Originally Posted by 1331Massi

By low density, are you referring the 150,000 people between the 13, 15 and 440? Because I live in Chomedy, and it is nothing if not densely populated. And the TODs that Vaillencourt plans will probably add another 50-100K in this area, so ya, densley populated.

You're right when you say the area between the 13, 15 and 440 is as dense as any other newer arrondissement on the island of Montreal such as Ville Saint-Laurent. Laval has a low population density (1.625 people/km2) because most of the east and west end of the island are green/farm land. If you exclude those it's actually quite denser than any other suburb in Montréal. There are how many building between 8-20 stories? I'd say there are about 40-60.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Wharn

From a few days ago:

http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTV...glinton_Line_Poll/20120202/?hub=CP24Home

lol, the article is quoting the study by Forum Research - the question they asked being:

"Do you think that the Scarborough section of the Eglinton light rail transit line should be built above ground in its own right of way in the middle of the road like the St. Clair streetcar, or should it be built below ground like a subway? If it was built above-ground, Eglinton Avenue would be reduced to four lanes in order to accommodate the transit line right of way.'"

Pretty blatant example of "push-polling".

Toronto is going to regret this in 20 years' time when the metro area has about 2 million more people using infrastructure built for a city the size of Ottawa.

And if we went with Ford's plan we'd have a single subway line while the rest of the city chokes on intense transit & auto congestion because it still has to rely on buses.

Transit City serves a whole lot more people than the Ford plan, even if a few thousand of them along the outer stretches of Eglinton are going to have to suffer through marginally longer commutes.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by 1331Massi

By low density, are you referring the 150,000 people between the 13, 15 and 440? Because I live in Chomedy, and it is nothing if not densely populated. And the TODs that Vaillencourt plans will probably add another 50-100K in this area, so ya, densley populated.

More dense than Montreal-Nord, Saint-Leonard, or Cote-Saint-Luc? (or even central Longueuil?) I doubt it.

Its not exactly McMansion land, but its not something that couldn't be adequately served by LRT/BRT.

[The_Architect]

Originally Posted by Wharn

Toronto is going to regret this in 20 years' time when the metro area has about 2 million more people using infrastructure built for a city the size of Ottawa.

No, they really won't. What they'd regret is letting the lunatic buffoon and his brother put the city back a decade.

The Eglinton crosstown more than accounts for future growth, if you read anything about it you would know that. The LRT is exactly what is needed there, anything more would have been a waste of money. There have been many studies on this, and no matter how much you try to stuff the Ford-esque nonsense about "subway subway subway or nothing", it doesn't make it right. It is underground in the right areas and aboveground in the right areas. It also has the ability to be easily turned into a subway when the need arises in 100 years or so. While we're wasting money on the Sheppard stubway why don't we build a subway on Trafalgar road in Oakville as well?

I'm just glad the proper transit plan is back and Finch gets an LRT again like they deserved!

Hopefully this loss is a backbreaker for the Frauds and proof that they have no hold on the council, and the city and its politicians won't put up with their bullshit "my way or the highway" dictator crap.

Long live democracy!

[Alexcaban]

Right now its as follows for metro expansion priority.

Blue line to St-Leonard, Anjou
Yellow line further into Longueuil
Orange line North of Cote-Vertu to carrefour laval and west of Montmorency to St-Martin / Chomedey.

[LeftCoaster]

Guys can we keep the detailed discussions in the specific subforums? This thread should be used for news updates and general information, not arguments about alignments or technologies between only Toronto forumers. You don't see Vancouver members discussing Evergreen alignment or Calgary members arguing about NE LRT stations in here.

Besides the Toronto local needs some more traffic.