Census 2011 Results:

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Bassic Lab

Big ten CMAs

Toronto 5,583,064
Montreal 3,824,221
Vancouver 2,313,328
Ottawa 1,236,324
Calgary 1,214,839
Edmonton 1,159,869
Quebec 765,706
Winnipeg 730,018
Hamilton 721,053
Kitchener 477,160

Some of those are incomplete. For instance Winnipeg's CMA # excludes one or more incompletely enumerated reserves.

It's weird seeing Kitchener in there, but it looks like they'll stay there for a long time. I don't see any city behind them catching up any time soon. I'm also surprised to see Ottawa hang on to 4th.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by eternallyme

Could the Atlantic provinces become the #2 region of growth in Canada while Quebec and Ontario fall apart?

I wouldn't want to see central Canada fall apart, but it's great to see Atlantic Canada growing like this. Halifax growth was a bit disappointing, but even that should get a boost with the giant ship building contract going their way.

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Atlantic Canadian CMA's

Halifax - 390,328 (4.7% growth rate)
St. John's - 196,966 (8.8% growth rate)
Moncton - 138,644 (9.7% growth rate)
Saint John - 127,761 (4.4% growth rate)

Interesting that Halifax's growth rate is so similar to that of Saint John.....

Atlantic Canadian CA's

CBRM (Sydney) - 101,619 (-4.1% growth rate)
Fredericton - 94,268 (9.3% growth rate)
Charlottetown - 64,487 (8.7% growth rate)
Truro - 45,888 (1.8% growth rate)
New Glasgow - 35,809 (-1.3% growth rate)
Bathurst - 33,484 (-1.8% growth rate)
Miramichi - 28,115 (-2.3% growth rate)
Corner Brook - 27,202 (0.0% growth rate)
Kentville - 26,359 (1.5% growth rate)
Edmundston - 21,903 (-2.5% growth rate)
Campbellton - 17,842 (-0.2% growth rate)
Summerside - 16,488 (2.1% growth rate)
Grand Falls-Windsor - 13,725 (1.2% growth rate)
Bay Roberts - 10,871 (3.5% growth rate)

Top Five Fastest Growth Rates in the East

1- 9.7% (Moncton)
2- 9.3% (Fredericton)
3- 8.8% (St.John's)
4- 8.7% (Charlottetown)
5- 4.7% (Halifax)

CBRM is dropping like a stone (-4.1% growth)

It's great to see New Brunswick and PEI cities growing so strongly. Nova Scotia continues to be a laggard. Halifax should pick up, but Sydney continues to be a disaster.

[eemy]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Calgary-Edmonton corridor as a CSA/region? Amazing... that would be like a Toronto-Detroit CSA.

The reason they probably haven't done it so far is that there are just so few places that would even qualify as a CSA. Population densities are just so low in Canada you don't have the same type of scenarios you see in the US with built up areas, which is I guess why you get ridiculous "regions" like the Calgary-Edmonton region. About the only ones I can think that would even qualify as a CSA are a Toronto/Oshawa/Hamilton CSA and a Vancouver/Abbotsford CSA.

The Calgary-Edmonton Corridor did seem a bit like an oddball. It didn't make sense to me that Calgary and Edmonton would be consider part of a single region, but Ottawa and Montreal not.

[dennis1]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

Since the population estimates are considered more accurate and representative for population counts, most of these conclusions can't be made until the 2011 estimates are released.

Oshawa will never be incorporated with Toronto because once a CMA has been established, it cannot be removed. Only CAs can be incorporated into an adjacent CMA.

The US changes their census definitions all the time. Why can't we. If Harper wants to scrap the CMA's, why not?

[cormiermax]

I wonder why Halifax is growing so slowly, and what's driving Moncton's high growth? Same question can be asked with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

[dennis1]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

I'd be surprised; the reason CMAs are permanent is so that data can be compared from census to census. If you were to eliminate a CMA, particularly by merging them, it would no longer be possible to do so.

I wouldn't be surprised if they develop a new entity akin to the CSA. They released some analysis in terms of census regions in 2006 which did include multiple CMAs, but there were no criteria for the delineation of these regions making it rather useless to compare them. They were the Lower Mainland, Calgary-Edmonton Corridor, Greater Golden Horseshoe and Montreal and Environs (or something to the effect).

But you have the Census division data from years past. You can accumulate the past years under the current definiton as well, that is the us did.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

The Calgary-Edmonton Corridor did seem a bit like an oddball. It didn't make sense to me that Calgary and Edmonton would be consider part of a single region, but Ottawa and Montreal not.

Well. considering that Montreal to Ottawa is less than 2 hours apart from each other.Not sure about Calgary-Edmonton, but I thought they were 4 hours apart..So I guess for the next five years the capital officially remains the fourth largest metro in Canada? (whatever that's worth). Ottawa picked up just over 100000 people in 5 years which isn't bad considering there was a hi-tech melt down. Explains all the infrastructure construction going on and coming up.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by dennis1

The US changes their census definitions all the time. Why can't we. If Harper wants to scrap the CMA's, why not?

Because it make decades of data instantly incomparable. Census divisions might be the same, but do we really have to go adding all census divisions up to figure out what the CMA is? What a mess! He really hasn't thought this one through properly.

[Ayreonaut]

Originally Posted by Razor

Not sure about Calgary-Edmonton, but I thought they were 4 hours apart

2.5 to 3 hours I think (slightly less than 300km).

[someone123]

Originally Posted by cormiermax

I wonder why Halifax is growing so slowly, and what's driving Moncton's high growth? Same question can be asked with Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

One possible explanation is that Moncton is relatively small compared to the nearby rural areas that are hemorrhaging people in Northern NB.

I'm not sure the growth rate is correct for Halifax though. According to the population estimates the population grew by about 1.3% annually from 2007-2010, but according to the preliminary census results it grew by 4.7% from 2006-2011.

Similarly Moncton's estimated population growth was only about 1.6% annually from 2007-2010, but the 2006-2011 rate is listed at 9.7%.

Either 2006-2007 and 2010-2011 were crazy years or some of the data is off.

[caltrane74]

Well all the Newspapers are saying Ontario is dying?

Well I know that Ontario overtook Quebec in population, and Toronto overtook Montreal. But in my lifetime, no province will overtake Ontario, no city will catch Toronto.

Anyways... Here are the articles on Ontario and Toronto's Decline:

Toronto's population Growth Slows - to 9.2% (geez, we're dying)

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/08/toronto-population-growth-slows-census-shows

Ontario no longer the Centre of the Canadian Universe. - (Ontario never was the centre dummy, it's was and is Toronto)

Article here:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Tandt+Census+shows+slow+fade+Ontario/6120192/story.html

Ontario is no longer a place to grow (please ignore that Toronto's population grew by 500,000 people and Ontario by just over that amount in the past 5 years)

Dumbass's article is here

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technolog...rio+longer+place+grow/6121186/story.html

[Wharn]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Milton is the fastest growing city in Canada, 56% growth rate.

Population is closing in on 100,000 people, don't know if it's included in the Toronto CMA, otherwise, it will be it's own CMA shortly.

I honestly can't understand why. It's possibly one of the most boring, depressing and miserable places this side of the Great Lakes. And the commute into Toronto is a living hell. Honestly, what do people see in it?

On that note, the growth of Toronto's CMA is actually a little worrying to me. In only 5 years, the equivalent of London's CMA was added, with almost no changes made to transport infrastructure. Very few new highways. No new rapid transit lines. And an extra 470,000 people to cram onto the existing networks.

Prospective Immigrants: Please give Windsor a chance. Hell, you could even try London or Sudbury. Other places exist, it doesn't always have to be Hogtown!

[isaidso]

10 fastest growing CMAs

01. Calgary 12.6%
02. Edmonton 12.1%
03. Saskatoon 11.4%
04. Kelowna 10.8%
05. Moncton 9.7%
06. Vancouver 9.3%
07. Toronto 9.2%
08. Ottawa 9.1%
09. St. John's 8.8%
10. Brantford 8.7%


Double digit growing CAs

Okotoks 42.9%
Wood Buffalo 27.1%
Steinbach 22.2%
High River 20.6%
Strathmore 19.7%
Sylvan Lake 19.2%
Grand Prairie 16.8%
Cold Lake 15.4%
Squamish 14.6%
Lloydminster 14.0%
Whitehorse 13.7%
Chilliwack 11.9%
Lethbridge 11.3%
Collingwood 11.3%
Camrose 10.6%
Brandon 10.3%



Eastern cities in bold

[Rico Rommheim]

The province's stats put the population of Quebec at just over 8,000 000. Montreal CMA is still 50% of the province, which means we're pretty much at 4,000 000.

[ue]

Originally Posted by Wharn

I honestly can't understand why. It's possibly one of the most boring, depressing and miserable places this side of the Great Lakes. And the commute into Toronto is a living hell. Honestly, what do people see in it?

On that note, the growth of Toronto's CMA is actually a little worrying to me. In only 5 years, the equivalent of London's CMA was added, with almost no changes made to transport infrastructure. Very few new highways. No new rapid transit lines. And an extra 470,000 people to cram onto the existing networks.

Prospective Immigrants: Please give Windsor a chance. Hell, you could even try London or Sudbury. Other places exist, it doesn't always have to be Hogtown!

It doesn't even have to always be Ontario! Halifax, Montreal, Quebec City, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, Saint John, Regina, Trois Rivieres, Moncton, etc. could use more immigrants.

[Canadian Mind]

I wonder what the demographic trends are going to look like. I don't know about elsewhere in Canada, but where I am at right now (Petawawa) and where I am originally from (Comox), there is a huge number of 20-somethings producing offspring, if they haven't already got 1 or 2.

[Blader]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

<snip>They released some analysis in terms of census regions in 2006 which did include multiple CMAs, but there were no criteria for the delineation of these regions making it rather useless to compare them. They were the Lower Mainland, Calgary-Edmonton Corridor, Greater Golden Horseshoe and Montreal and Environs (or something to the effect).<snip>

Going by memory, so forgive if I'm wrong. In the 2001 census, there was a Calgary-Edmonton Corridor, and the others as well. In the 2006 census there was no mention of a Calgary-Edmonton corridor, which consisted of Statistics Canada census divisions No. 11, No. 8, and No. 6. I know this because I updated the 2006 numbers of this corridor in Wikipedia by adding the 3 census divisions together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary%E2%80%93Edmonton_Corridor


Edit:
This is funny - it looks like some wikipedia editor reverted the article back to the citable 2001 statscan release and that is fair enough. It's an article that could be submitted for deletion, since its no longer in statscan analysis.

[dennis1]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Because it make decades of data instantly incomparable. Census divisions might be the same, but do we really have to go adding all census divisions up to figure out what the CMA is? What a mess! He really hasn't thought this one through properly.

Did people not just spend hours and hours counting up? It would not even take that long, this is a matter of reorganizaing data. The US like a mentioned beofre just changed the CSAs for this census from 10 years ago. They way they counted it in 1990 is not the same as today.

And Please, you need to stop being so condenscending.

[MTLskyline]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Well all the Newspapers are saying Ontario is dying?

Well I know that Ontario overtook Quebec in population, and Toronto overtook Montreal. But in my lifetime, no province will overtake Ontario, no city will catch Toronto.

The Gazette is just itching for a reason to diss Ontario/Toronto. don't mind them.

Ontario overtook Quebec at least in 1851, maybe earlier!

[thurmas]

I don't trust these stats can numbers for Manitoba. The provincial government here has reported growth for the past 5 years of between 13500-15,500 in new immigrants to Manitoba. This pace is well ahead of the 60,000 5 year growth reported by Stats Can. Stats Can own population clock had Manitoba at 1,248,000 not 1,208,000. Also the city of Winnipeg's own forecasts are of a much larger Winnipeg than what stats can is showing. I am suprised at how strong Quebec city's growth is it is probably because of their much stronger economy than that of crumbling Montreal.