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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 4:03 AM
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Yep, looks like another thread we will be left out on!

Ours will be built though...by 2099!
That's being very optimistic.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 6:20 AM
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winnipeg's perimeter wont be free of lights or grade separated any time soon....there are numerous intersections that would need to be clover-leafed and i just don't see that happening....it isn't exactly the first priority.

the perimeter is a ring road but cant be considered a freeway...it is more like a highway as there are several kilometres between it and the built up city in many locations.
It seems they're building up between Saskatchewan Ave and Roblin Boulevard. Anybody notice the new large houses across from St. Charles? Everyone knows of the MTS Iceplex, Pointe West and Assiniboia Downs
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 11:33 AM
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It seems they're building up between Saskatchewan Ave and Roblin Boulevard. Anybody notice the new large houses across from St. Charles? Everyone knows of the MTS Iceplex, Pointe West and Assiniboia Downs
Sorta .
There's a parcel to the south of current development (going down to Wilkes)and to the east of the Perimeter which is slated for development . The strange thing is that things keep getting approved for that parcel and nothing ever comes of it .
With CenterPortCanada Way you'll see some industrial development on the eastern side .
What you see on the western side of the Perimeter is about as much as you can ever expect to see though . The city doesn't seem keen on touching anything west of the Perimeter unless it's for recreation or industrial purposes . Besides , ever since Headingley seceded there's little land available for development anyway .

The truth is that if you're looking to figure out where the city will expand next , it's just a matter of filling in whatever land the city controls within the Perimeter . There are no plans whatsoever to jump the highway and whatever interchange plans are being considered have little to do with traffic per se but rather with accident frequency .

We'll just keep selling ourselves as a transportation hub despite Mexico having better infrastructure .
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 12:06 PM
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winnipeg's perimeter wont be free of lights or grade separated any time soon....there are numerous intersections that would need to be clover-leafed and i just don't see that happening....it isn't exactly the first priority.

the perimeter is a ring road but cant be considered a freeway...it is more like a highway as there are several kilometres between it and the built up city in many locations.
I believe someone had previously mentionned that there are plans for the Perimeter to become free flowing in the medium term, say a decade or two. And many of those township roads intersecting will likely be blocked off, and traffic rerouted onto larger arterial routes for access. And I don't think there is need for full-fledged interchages for all intersections (Pipeline Road comes to mind). Just a simple diamond interchange would be needed at the moment.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 3:50 PM
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there are at least 5 major roads crossing the perimeter with stop lights....it will be a long time before there are interchanges at all of them....it doesnt appear to be a priority of any kind.

personally i dont see the need for it to be free of stops.....it is almost a rural highway.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2011, 2:57 AM
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Created a rough sketch-up of the Halifax RM ring road ("The Circ"). This was made up in Paint so please excuse any obvious errors.



According to my measurements the existing portion of "The Circ" (from Pleasant Street to Joe Howe Interchange) is 13.92km, so 14km for discussion purposes. Of this 9.5km is freeway style with a median, four-twelve lanes of traffic, a speed limit of 80km/h, and no at grade access. The planned portion is 3.4 km long (dependant on exact routing used) so this means Halifax RM has 14km of "ring road" with 3-4km planned.
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a new 21km section of the Edmonton ring road (Anthony Henday Drive) opened to motorist today, leaving only 1 more section to complete. Also just about finished in the remaining overpasses in the SW section that weren't originally complete. In a few weeks, Edmonton will have 3/4 of its ring road, fully free flow...
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Open road beckons drivers in northwest Edmonton

Edmonton... The much-anticipated opening of the northwest section of Anthony Henday Drive gives motorists access to 21 kilometres of free-flowing road in the Capital Region. This $1.42 billion portion of the freeway runs from Yellowhead Trail on the west side of Edmonton to Manning Drive and improves safety and travel time for both residents and businesses.

“Northwest Anthony Henday Drive will change the way people travel in the area and will almost immediately reduce traffic congestion,” said Ray Danyluk, Minister of Alberta Transportation. “The opening of this roadway also marks another step towards our goal of 800 kilometres of free flow traffic from Nanton to Grande Prairie.”
Construction of the northwest leg began in fall 2008. The project is completely free flow and includes eight interchanges, five flyovers and two rail crossings, for a total of 27 bridge structures. With the opening of this leg, the freeway is 90 per cent complete and travellers have access to a total of 69 kilometres of free flow on Anthony Henday Drive.

Northwest Anthony Henday Drive is the single largest P3 (public-private partnership) transportation investment to date for the Government of Alberta. The government entered into a long-term contract with NORTHWESTCONNECT General Partnership to design, finance, build and maintain this portion of freeway. This approach created significant cost savings for taxpayers, a 30-year warranty for the work, and completion of the project earlier than conventional delivery.

"We are proud to have worked in such a constructive partnership with the Government of Alberta to hand over this important piece of the province's infrastructure on time and on budget, along with our consortium partners, Flatiron, Graham, Parsons, Carmacks and Infrared,” said Damian Joy, President and CEO of Bilfinger Berger Project Investments Inc. and NORTHWESTCONNECT representative. “By having private capital at risk, the consortium has strong incentive to deliver on time and to ensure the continuing availability of this freeway.”

The new construction will benefit more than 30,000 motorists who will use this portion of the ring road daily, as well as the trucking industry which uses the freeway as a vital route for shipping and receiving goods. For more information on the ring road, visit www.transportation.alberta.ca.

Note: Four interchanges on the Southwest stretch of the ring road (immediately adjacent to the Northwest portion) are scheduled to open in November — Callingwood Road, Lessard Road, Stony Plain Road and Cameron Heights interchanges.

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Project value: $1.42 billion

Project facts and stats

Construction includes 21 kilometres of mainline freeway, eight interchanges, five flyovers and two rail crossings, for a total of 27 bridge structures.
Over 2.7 million man-hours spent on project.
14 million cubic metres of earth moved.
50,000 cubic metres of concrete poured and four million tonnes of aggregate used.
36,000 lineal meters of piling.
2,000 light poles erected next to roadway.
350 kilometers of line painted.
Mainline is three lanes each direction from Yellowhead Trail to Campbell Road and two lanes each way from Campbell Road to Manning Drive.
Contractor: NORTHWESTCONNECT General Partnership


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http://www.gov.ab.ca/acn/201111/31460601616BE-98B3-C30F-0E83C7914578B71B.html
Note: in the last map, the section in dark blue is mostly all there, except the northern 1/3 of the blue section across the river...
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2011, 6:39 AM
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^^^ that's one hell of a ring road.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2011, 10:43 PM
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... The ring road in Sherbrooke in detail.

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Old Posted Feb 5, 2012, 3:16 AM
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Here is a link to a detailed map of the southern part of Sherbrooke's ring road.

http://www.mtq.gouv.qc.ca/portal/page/po...ournement_sud_sherb/plan_general_410.pdf
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I don't understand, how can Edmonton afford to build a dozen interchanges within a few years, whilst Winnipeg can't afford to build 1? Remember before commenting that CCW was almost entirely provided by Federal money. I have a feeling Oil is going to be mentioned.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2012, 3:52 AM
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Here is a link to a detailed map of the southern part of Sherbrooke's ring road.

http://www.mtq.gouv.qc.ca/portal/page/po...ournement_sud_sherb/plan_general_410.pdf
Awesome...really impressive for a city the size of Sherbrooke! Look forward to visiting there one day soon

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I don't understand, how can Edmonton afford to build a dozen interchanges within a few years, whilst Winnipeg can't afford to build 1? Remember before commenting that CCW was almost entirely provided by Federal money. I have a feeling Oil is going to be mentioned.
Partially correct form my perspective. Money is the big deal (Edmonton's ring road looks to be awesome when it will be done...I drove around the current parts and its simply awesome so far; great vision and job done on the ring road there) and there is no disputing that the Albertan Provincial Government can more easily fund this over the Manitoban Government. They got more $$$, period.

There is also an issue of need and planning. IF, hypothetically, the Manitoban Government made it a priority to move in that direction, they could, along with a plan akin to how Sherbrooke or Edmonton has gone about funding - and if funding is not in place then some sort of plan could be made or created. Where there's a will, there's a way. And currently the Province doesn't seem to have a need for it. Statistics of safety have been presented to them and they are aware, hence the interchange at Lag and Perimeter moving forward, but as trueviking pointed out, there are at least 5 areas that would need interchanges.

The most promising thing is if the city does end up Annexing the RM's within the Perimeter as they are hoping to, because then the city would have more incentive to develop near there (it will be the border of city limits then) and thus contribute to the plan or help move a hypothetical proposal forward; it would then service the city....

... case in point, Look at Edmonton's ring road and realize how much of the city it really does and will serve (city limits), whereas the city of Winnipeg is smaller, plus it has a larger ring road that goes through many RM's. Not quite city limits like Edmonton's. That plays a role too.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2012, 5:25 AM
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The Manitoba government actually has made it a priority for the perimeter, but, the money is needed for other road projects at the time. Also, CCW was not mostly federal money, but an even split.
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I don't understand, how can Edmonton afford to build a dozen interchanges within a few years, whilst Winnipeg can't afford to build 1? Remember before commenting that CCW was almost entirely provided by Federal money. I have a feeling Oil is going to be mentioned.
Natural Gas actually.
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Sherbrooke's ring road

If you click on Simulation 3D - Lennoxville at the bottom of this page, you will see a video of the eastern end.

Here are some renders of what the first interchanges (the most western ones) will look like.


http://www.mtq.gouv.qc.ca/portal/page/po...routiers/prolong_a410_contoursud_sherbrk


http://www.mtq.gouv.qc.ca/portal/page/po...routiers/prolong_a410_contoursud_sherbrk


http://www.mtq.gouv.qc.ca/portal/page/po...routiers/prolong_a410_contoursud_sherbrk
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I don't understand, how can Edmonton afford to build a dozen interchanges within a few years, whilst Winnipeg can't afford to build 1? Remember before commenting that CCW was almost entirely provided by Federal money. I have a feeling Oil is going to be mentioned.
Income (oil, gas), but also spending priorities. I remember one glorious summer when I saw more overpasses being built within 5km of my house in Calgary than exist in the entire city of Winnipeg. It's just a very different mindset out here.
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I was surprised at by how heavy traffic was on the south perimeter last time I was through Winnipeg, maybe it was the time of day I was there, but lots of truck traffic. I was also surprised at the new subdivisions you can see pushing onto the perimeter around St Marys road. Love Edmontons though, I had a chance to drive the new Henday during the holidays and from the airport to Highway 28 you feel like you just fly right around the city
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If only London had a rong road, it would make it much easier for parents in London to drive their children to school.
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^ if you really think about it, The ring road in Winnipeg has taken from 1955 to 2017 (or beyond) to build to full freeway standards (no lights, completely grade separated).
There are no plans to build Winnipeg's Perimeter Highway up to freeway standards in the near future. Where did you hear this?
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As of right now , Canada has only one ring road which is Winnipeg's . Edmonton , Saskatoon , and Calgary are working on theirs although Calgary's is probably further away than one would expect .

All others mentioned aren't rings but bypasses . Some of the 'candidates' aren't even bypasses either for that matter (Hunt Club in Ottawa for example) There's no need to stretch definitions here because we already have words for these types of highways . It's either a ring , a bypass , or a highway going from one point to another . If we're simply going to go by some arbitrary designation composed of four (at least) roads that happen to surround some city then even the smallest town has a "ring road" .
I don't think Hamilton is stretching the definition. There is a true ring around Hamilton formed by the 403/QEW/Red Hill Valley Pkwy/Lincoln M. Alexander Pkwy. For the OP, it's approximately 47 km long and is free-flowing along its entire length.
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