London Public Transit

[go_leafs_go02]

I just got a response from LTC about those HORRIBLE bus stop signs, that I would argue look WORSE than what's out there now:

The new design for the plates was selected after careful consideration and consultation with various community organizations, including the City of London and the Canadian National Institute for the Blind.

The colours used are in keeping with London Transit corporate colours as well as adhering to the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act. The darker background with light lettering offers good contrast for people with visual impairments to read clearly. The white lettering will also be reflective making it easier for passengers to read the information at night.

The aim of the new signs is to provide passengers with information including the bus stop ID for use with our Webwatch and IVR systems, the routes that service the stop as well as any additional service notes regarding operating times for specific routes.

All the reasons they give has NOTHING to do with sign design. They look horrible. I'm happy with the additional information provided on them, but c'mon, they're like someone said, looked like a 10 year old designed them in 10 minutes.

[email protected] - email them if you'd like to see a better effort for the bus stop signs. What a joke and like I said, it's not 1985 anymore, have a better design be done.

FB page for the cause: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Better-Bus-Stop-Signs-for-London-Ontario/355116941174566?v=wall

[MrSlippery519]

I have no problem with the information provided on the new signs...and quite honestly anything is better than what they currently have however this new design is pretty underwhelming.

I would love to see what other options they had on the table and why they felt this one was the best (maybe it really was the best??). The section with the routes is the terrible, it's right in the middle and is not overly clear what they are attempting to achieve by the sign.

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by MrSlippery519

I would love to see what other options they had on the table and why they felt this one was the best (maybe it really was).

If it was, perhaps it was time to hire on some new graphic sign designers then. Like I said, the added information is good, but the design and look of them is laughable.

[manny_santos]

I must admit, the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act (AIDA) does present companies and organizations with very unique challenges, and having worked with the act in a previous job, I can attest that organizations are under the 🞵🞵🞵 to comply with this act in every way possible. Having AIDA-compliant signs for public transit users does present a challenge for London Transit.

There is still a lot of improvement with this signage though, and it could be argued that if the signs are difficult to use for the average person, a person with a visual impairment will have a much harder time with it.

[haljackey]

Good ol' LTC, based on the Scumbag Steve Internet Meme:

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by manny_santos

I must admit, the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act (AIDA) does present companies and organizations with very unique challenges, and having worked with the act in a previous job, I can attest that organizations are under the 🞵🞵🞵 to comply with this act in every way possible. Having AIDA-compliant signs for public transit users does present a challenge for London Transit.

There is still a lot of improvement with this signage though, and it could be argued that if the signs are difficult to use for the average person, a person with a visual impairment will have a much harder time with it.

A few people commented that the "font-type" used and ALL-CAPS within the signage will make it actually more difficult to read. Plus, the solid background with no border, or nothing breaking the information between the bus stop number, the routes provided, and the service information puts alot of it into a big jumble.

[MrSlippery519]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

A few people commented that the "font-type" used and ALL-CAPS within the signage will make it actually more difficult to read. Plus, the solid background with no border, or nothing breaking the information between the bus stop number, the routes provided, and the service information puts alot of it into a big jumble.

Honestly making a few simple changes as you suggest would go a long way in making the sign more appealing and more legible/informative.

As you said it looks like one big mess of information.

[haljackey]

Another awesome meme of the LTC that has generated a lot of attention:



This is so true!

[MolsonExport]

^if only. Sit by the side of the road, creating a bottleneck is more like it. London has the boxiest looking buses on the planet.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by haljackey

Good ol' LTC, based on the Scumbag Steve Internet Meme:

heh heh! I like it.

[haljackey]

Like them? Here's one more, staring the Dos Equis guy AKA the most interesting man in the world:

[Stevo26]

From time to time, I like to futz around with graphic design. Here's my take on what the new LTC bus stop signs could look like. I think the design is a bit busy, but it is information dense - which isn't a bad thing, considering that we're increasingly living and working in an information-centric, information-driven world. My only concern is how this kind of sign might work out for the visually impaired.

Whatever flaws there are in my design, I think that works better than what's proposed by the LTC - which, in my humble opinion, is lacking in imagination.

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by Stevo26

From time to time, I like to futz around with graphic design. Here's my take on what the new LTC bus stop signs could look like. I think the design is a bit busy, but it is information dense - which isn't a bad thing, considering that we're increasingly living and working in an information-centric, information-driven world. My only concern is how this kind of sign might work out for the visually impaired.

Whatever flaws there are in my design, I think that works better than what's proposed by the LTC - which, in my humble opinion, is lacking in imagination.

Great job on that. I like it quite a bit. Have a few concerns with it though.

Green, Blue, Yellow, White. Too many colours. Perhaps replace the yellow with the blue.

Enlarge the bus stop numbers a bit more. And I don't think having the Facebook, twitter logos are necessary. Have all traffic redirect to the website, or offer bus apps that would be integrated with having a QR code on each bus stop that you can scan and it will tell you the next bus arriving.

Maybe make a few of those tweaks, and really, send that to the LTC. It's already way better than what they are proposing.

[K85]

Change the yellow to green, ditch the social media stuff, make the phone number a bit smaller than the bus routes, and enlarge the route numbers. You have a damn winner right there!!!

[MolsonExport]

yeh, too much social media.

[K85]

Should point the LTC to this site / thread to get some idea about what would work. People in threads like these have the real ideas of how it should look

[Highinthesky]

London has the boxiest looking buses on the planet.

Interesting opinion

TTC


Hamilton


Edmonton


Vancouver


NYC


Tokyo


Dubai


All a bunch of boxes to me

[go_leafs_go02]

Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

Great job on that. I like it quite a bit. Have a few concerns with it though.

Green, Blue, Yellow, White. Too many colours. Perhaps replace the yellow with the blue.

Enlarge the bus stop numbers a bit more. And I don't think having the Facebook, twitter logos are necessary. Have all traffic redirect to the website, or offer bus apps that would be integrated with having a QR code on each bus stop that you can scan and it will tell you the next bus arriving.

Maybe make a few of those tweaks, and really, send that to the LTC. It's already way better than what they are proposing.

Two more comments:

have the LTC logo blue match the colour of the blue on the sign.

Can you update the clip-art bus item to a more modern looking bus? It's certainly better than the LTC blue bus sign, but who knows...

Great work again. Please send that to the LTC.

MY FB page plug: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Better-Bus-Stop-Signs-for-London-Ontario/355116941174566

[manny_santos]

Most of London's buses look identical to buses in most of the rest of Ontario, the only difference being the colour scheme and logo. Some cities also have the route number displayed on the back of the bus, but that's a minor difference.

[MolsonExport]

^Ok, I stand corrected. My busrider days (and there were many thousands thereof) were mainly in Montreal and Vancouver, and (at least then) the busses were not as cuboid. Plus, they mostly had windows at the back, which precluded the affixation of the leering telemarketer advertisement.