Regina Construction II

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[Dillweed]

Originally Posted by thefourthtower

From someone from that city they were very sure about it, i quess if the city says 234,000 thats what it is

According to Statscan the metro population in Saskatoon in 2010 stood at 265K. This should mean the population of Saskatoon is somewhere over 270K this year.

http://www40.statcan.gc.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm

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[ceedub1170]

^^ Who really cares? Both cities are thriving. Why do you have turn everything into a — match?

[Stormer]

We have had this discussion before on this forum. Regina's CMA does seem a bit small, but it would not be realistic to include Moose Jaw, for example. Regina's includes Lumsden, White City, Balgonie, Pense, Belle Plaine, Pilot Butte and Regina Beach, but does not include Saskatchewan Beach, Craven, Southey or Sedley.

Saskatoon's reallly is not all that large either.


Statistics Canada defines a Census Metropolitan Area or CMA as follows:
A census metropolitan area (CMA) or a census agglomeration (CA) is formed by one or more adjacent municipalities centred on a large urban area (known as the urban core). The census population count of the urban core must be at least 10,000 to form a census agglomeration and at least 100,000 to form a census metropolitan area. To be included in the CMA or CA, other adjacent municipalities must have a high degree of integration with the central urban area, as measured by commuting flows derived from census place of work data. If the population of the urban core of a CA declines below 10,000, the CA is retired. However, once an area becomes a CMA, it is retained as a CMA even if the populaton of its urban core population declines below 100,000. The urban areas that are located in the CMA or CA bit are not contiguous to the urban core are called the urban fringe. Rural areas in the CMA or CA are called the rural fringe. Whan a CA has an urban core of at least 50,000 based on census counts, it is subdivided into census tracts. Census tracts are maintained for the CA even if the populaton of the urban core subsequently falls below 50,000. All CMAs are subdivided into census tracts.
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Saskatoon:

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[ceedub1170]

I'm not sure I understand your post.

[sask1982]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Regina:



Saskatoon:

Thanks for posting! It's nice to see the two metropolitan areas represented visually.

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[jigglysquishy]

If I'm not mistaken the CMA boundary is defined by commuting patterns in which case it's likely Craven will be added in the near future. On a similar note I'm surprised Moose Jaw isn't in the CMA. The border currently ends about 10km outside it's borders and with the increase in commuting patterns recently I wouldn't be surprised to see it added.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

If I'm not mistaken the CMA boundary is defined by commuting patterns in which case it's likely Craven will be added in the near future. On a similar note I'm surprised Moose Jaw isn't in the CMA. The border currently ends about 10km outside it's borders and with the increase in commuting patterns recently I wouldn't be surprised to see it added.

StatsCan has very detailed rules on CMA's. A nearby commmunity can be included in a CMA if it meets just one of several possible tests. For Moose Jaw, at least half of the labour force would have to travel to Regina to work, or 25% of Moose Jaw's labour force would have to come from Regina. I doubt it is anywhere near that under either test.

[Udon'tknow]

There is heavy digging equipment now on site of the Broad street condo, looks like construction is imminent!! Won't be too long before we see another crane in the downtown area!

[Udon'tknow]

Originally Posted by sask1982

Thanks for posting! It's nice to see the two metropolitan areas represented visually.

I think this also partly explains why Saskatoon's CMA housing starts are always way more than Regina's, a bigger area, covering more communities and people, translating into more housing starts.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Udon'tknow

I think this also partly explains why Saskatoon's CMA housing starts are always way more than Regina's, a bigger area, covering more communities and people, translating into more housing starts.

Saskatoon also has had an acreage boom over the the last several years. I remember when I lived there, they seemed to be a very hot topic. Regina on the other hand has pretty much only farms surrounding it. There really isn't much of an acreage scene so to speak.

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[Jimmy James]

Originally Posted by Udon'tknow

I think this also partly explains why Saskatoon's CMA housing starts are always way more than Regina's, a bigger area, covering more communities and people, translating into more housing starts.

This actually doesn't explain anything. Your argument assumes that the development is occurring at the same rate over the entire area and at the same rate in all the other communities outside Saskatoon, which it is not. Check out the statistics - communities within the CMA but more than 15 km from the city have grown only slightly over the past 10 years and have contributed little to the housing or population growth of the area.

Saskatoon's housing starts are driven mainly by the construction in the city proper. While Martensville and Warman are growing well, over 90 percent of Saskatoon's housing starts still occur within city limits.

As I've explained before, Saskatoon and the communities surrounding it, those within a 10 minute drive of the city, comprise over 250,000 of the 270,000 population. Take away 2/3 of the CMA and you still have 250,000 people and nearly all the housing starts and development.

Using the size of the CMA as an excuse to explain why one city is doing better than another is simply that - an excuse (and an inaccurate one, at that). The fact remains that Saskatoon, excluding the CMA outside city limits, is growing at over twice the rate of Regina, and this is reflected in population growth, housing starts, and building permit values. Regina is growing, but it is still losing ground to to the faster growing Saskatoon.

I'm not saying this to insult anyone, but only to point out the flaws in some of the logic around here. It's funny that almost a year after making this same argument in this thread, I have to do it again (with the same poster bringing up this subject up again).

[CCF]

In a way I'm grateful that Saskatoon is outpacing Regina given the form that the majority of growth is coming in (poorly designed neighbourhoods at the periphery of the city). The same is happening in Regina, but obviously not at the same pace. All this means is greater headaches and infrastructure related issues down the road. I'm of the opinion that Saskatchewan's municipalities will eventually take a more contemporary approach to land use planning and urban design.

It would be interesting to compare the number of residential infill projects occurring in both cities. In terms of major infill projects Saskatoon is looking at River Landing while Regina is anticipating Capital Pointe, Gardens on Rose and Centre Square Place. I'd like to see Saskatoon focus more on infill given their rate of growth.