The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[MonctonRad]

Sussex has all the advantages - potash, natural gas, surrounding agricultural land, beautiful natural setting and a central location between all three big southern NB cities.

I can foresee Sussex one day becoming the fourth largest city in the province.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Sussex has all the advantages - potash, natural gas, surrounding agricultural land, beautiful natural setting and a central location between all three big southern NB cities.

I can foresee Sussex one day becoming the fourth largest city in the province.

Even more reason for them to build a massive international airport to service NB.

It will be interesting to see what the Census brings next year. I'm sure there will be a shakeup.

[mylesmalley]

Where'd you get your numbers from, Greg?

Statcan 2006 community profiles say:
Moncton (CMA) - 126,424 (includes Dieppe and Riverview)
Saint John (CMA) - 122,389 (includes Quispamsis, Rothesay and GW)
Fredericton (CA) - 85,688 (includes Lincoln, New Maryland and Oromocto)
Bathurst (CA) - 31,424
Miramichi (CA) - 24,737
Edmonston (CA) - 21,442
Campbellton (CA) - 14,826

Sussex + Sussex Corder - 5,654
Shediac - 5,497
Sackville - 5,411
Woodstock - 5,113
Tracadie - 4,474
Beresford - 4,264
Caraquet - 4,156
Hampton - 4,004
...and so on.


At any rate, if Sussex and SC merged (and honestly, why the hell are they still separate towns?), they would indeed be the biggest town in the province not in a CA or CMA. However in terms of municipalities, they'd be behind Quispamsis, Rothesay, Oromocto, and Riverview.

If Sussex continues to grow, it'd take a while, but eventually they could creep up to Campbellton. I guess in their case, it doesn't help that all the cities in the province are shrinking except Moncton, SJ and Freddy.

[JHikka]

Personally i'd love to see Sussex become a major centre with a larger population. It would be a small part of the infill between the three larger cities.

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Back to Saint John!

I took these two photos today. The first shows renovated apartment buildings on Adelaide Street (the middle two) between Victoria and Newman Streets. These two were real dives beforehand, and it's nice to see some money being put towards them. A lot of the properties on Adelaide have been cleaned and fixed in the past few months. At the other end of Adelaide (near Millidge Ave) there seems to be a lot of Chinese activity, either building new properties or renting out of existing ones. Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next few years.

The second photo shows an expansion made to the Sisters (I forget the name!) Complex in Mount Pleasant off of Burpee Avenue. This is next to Rocmaura.

[cl812]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Where'd you get your numbers from, Greg?

Statcan 2006 community profiles say:
Moncton (CMA) - 126,424 (includes Dieppe and Riverview)
Saint John (CMA) - 122,389 (includes Quispamsis, Rothesay and GW)
Fredericton (CA) - 85,688 (includes Lincoln, New Maryland and Oromocto)
Bathurst (CA) - 31,424
Miramichi (CA) - 24,737
Edmonston (CA) - 21,442
Campbellton (CA) - 14,826

Sussex + Sussex Corder - 5,654
Shediac - 5,497
Sackville - 5,411
Woodstock - 5,113
Tracadie - 4,474
Beresford - 4,264
Caraquet - 4,156
Hampton - 4,004
...and so on.


At any rate, if Sussex and SC merged (and honestly, why the hell are they still separate towns?), they would indeed be the biggest town in the province not in a CA or CMA. However in terms of municipalities, they'd be behind Quispamsis, Rothesay, Oromocto, and Riverview.

If Sussex continues to grow, it'd take a while, but eventually they could creep up to Campbellton. I guess in their case, it doesn't help that all the cities in the province are shrinking except Moncton, SJ and Freddy.

Just for clarification, the Oromocto area (Oromocto/Burton) isn't actually included in the Frederciton CA pop. That was the reason a while back that the city looked at expanding the boundaries out to Oromocto town limits.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by cl812

Just for clarification, the Oromocto area (Oromocto/Burton) isn't actually included in the Frederciton CA pop. That was the reason a while back that the city looked at expanding the boundaries out to Oromocto town limits.

Just like the Moncton CMA doesn't Include Shediac. I mean, WTF, it's only 15 minutes away at most!

[cl812]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Just like the Moncton CMA doesn't Include Shediac. I mean, WTF, it's only 15 minutes away at most!

Yeah, doent really make any sense.

[mylesmalley]

Actually, the Moncton CMA is particularly weird when you consider that it doesn't include Shediac (or Scoudouc), but at it's farthest extent is actually less thank 10km away from the furthest east extent of the Saint John CMA.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Actually, the Moncton CMA is particularly weird when you consider that it doesn't include Shediac (or Scoudouc), but at it's farthest extent is actually less thank 10km away from the furthest east extent of the Saint John CMA.

That's only because both CMA's include a lot of virtually uninhabited territory in rural Saint John and Albert Counties. There are important regional towns and villages in the orbit of both cities that are not included.

It's very strange how the boundaries are drawn, but I suppose it is no diferent than HRM, which is larger than PEI and extends two hours eastward to border the wilds of neighbouring Guysborough County.

[PersonPlaceorThing]

Originally Posted by GregHickman

If what I heard was correct, it's a Chinese company. Along with all of the potash development in Sussex, all of it gets shipped out through the Port in Saint John. This would be a large boost to the Southern New Brunswick economy, both in Sussex and in Saint John.

Great news. I wonder if there are any opportunities to "value add" to potash. Where does the raw material get converted into useable fertilizer?

[PersonPlaceorThing]

Originally Posted by GregHickman

The first shows renovated apartment buildings on Adelaide Street (the middle two) between Victoria and Newman Streets. These two were real dives beforehand, and it's nice to see some money being put towards them. A lot of the properties on Adelaide have been cleaned and fixed in the past few months.

About a block from here on Adelaide there is another old building (peaked roof) that was pretty rough being revitalized. It's great to see.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by PersonPlaceorThing

About a block from here on Adelaide there is another old building (peaked roof) that was pretty rough being revitalized. It's great to see.

It really is great to see. Adelaide is always a busy street, as it is a thoroughfare for the North End. So it's good to have more properties being renovated.

I'll get more photos up once I find the time.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by CBC News

Atlantic Potash Corp. awarded new mining deal

"Atlantic Potash Corp. has signed a two-year agreement to explore the Millstream potash deposit and explore other development opportunities in New Brunswick.

Premier David Alward and Natural Resources Minister Bruce Northrup made the mining announcement on Monday. The agreement comes after the provincial government embarked on an eight-month process to find a potential developer.

Attoe said the financing for the proposal is coming from China. One of the key investors is Guocai Liu, of Beijing, whose company Migao International operates seven potash processing facilities.

If the Millstream mine goes ahed, the Chinese financial investment could jump to more than $4 billion, said Attoe.

About half of the potash may be exported to China, he said."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2011/12/09/nb-potash-contract-millstream.html

[cdnguys]

Anyone know any more about this SJ based Atlantic Potash Co? Their website is www.atlanticpotash.ca
Unable to tell where they are located

[Ire Narissis]

When I was driving up the hill to Simms Corner this morning, I saw what looked like some surveying equipment set up... any news on the Simms Corner rebuild project?

[sjuser23]

Originally Posted by Ire Narissis

When I was driving up the hill to Simms Corner this morning, I saw what looked like some surveying equipment set up... any news on the Simms Corner rebuild project?

I think this project is still a couple of years away. I think the city first wants to do the work to the reversing falls bridge to support a new water main from east to west before they do anything with Sims corner. They also need the involvement of the province as this is a provincial road. I can't see any of that happening while work on the Harbour Bridge will be going on next summer.

[JHikka]

The front stairs of the NB Museum on Douglas avenue have been removed and it seems as though new ones are nearly ready to be installed. There's also work on the back side of the museum being done.

[philster]

Update on the Construction at the corner of McAllister & Westmorland:
Sign by the New Bank of Montreal Building saying "Opening January 30th"

They also have the sign up for St Hubert. "St Hubert Express" not sure exactly what that means.

Also, anyone hear about a St Hubert and Starbucks being built in Rothesay?

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by philster

Update on the Construction at the corner of McAllister & Westmorland:
Sign by the New Bank of Montreal Building saying "Opening January 30th"

They also have the sign up for St Hubert. "St Hubert Express" not sure exactly what that means.

St-Hubert Express offers a pared-down selection of the items available at our traditional restaurants to ensure quick service. Simply order and pay directly at the counter and your meal is ready in no time. Plus, you have full access to a refill station for soft drinks, coffee and our classic St-Hubert BBQ sauce.

Our newest St-Hubert Express locations serve washable, reusable dishes and utensils. The disposable place settings used at our other Express restaurants are made from a blend of sugar cane fibres and bamboo, both of which are renewable and biodegradable.

Also, anyone hear about a St Hubert and Starbucks being built in Rothesay?

Yes to both.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Actually, the Moncton CMA is particularly weird when you consider that it doesn't include Shediac (or Scoudouc), but at it's farthest extent is actually less thank 10km away from the furthest east extent of the Saint John CMA.

Yeah its very odd...if you lobbed off that block and moved it to the east to cover scoudouc and Shediac the CMA population would jump by 10,000 overnight but would still be the exact same size! Ive herad Shediac is not included because it is a center in its own right separate from Moncton and not enough people commute from there to Moncton for work...I dont agree. Everyone I know in Shediac commutes to Moncton for work! there are 6000 people there and MAYBE 2000 jobs...90% at the pension center and 10% at McDonalds and DQ haha.

Where I work (near the old airport) we have 40 employees and 5 live in Shediac. I live in downtown Moncton and it takes me the same amount of time to get to work as them!!

As time passes and developments on both ends serve to connect the two communities further maybe we will see it included someday.