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Old Posted Nov 25, 2011, 4:31 PM
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The population density of Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal is higher than quite a few of the HSRs in Europe.

Saskatoon's density is basically the same as Calgary's and look at how successful their light rail is.
That's about the only place in Canada that a bullet train type system would actually be feasible.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2011, 5:27 PM
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Well the three CMAs account for roughly a third of the country so it would be huge from a numbers perspective.

Rail travel is making a comeback. Numbers are up Vancouver, TO, Montreal, Calgary and Edmonton. VIA numbers are up. Its only a matter of time before something gets built somewhere.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2011, 6:01 PM
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I would not agree that Saskatoon will never have a light rail transit.

the way I see it is if the city is not willing to build the north bridge which, as it stands right now is planned to start in 15 years, so we are looking at almost 20 years before it is complete. The only other option is to get more cars off the road, and the bus service doesn't cut it. Just to get to and from work I would have to ride for almost an hour each way and transfer at least once.

The south bridge will eleviate some of the traffic in the north but in the next 15 years Willowgrove and Evergreen will be completed and not to mention the growth of Warman and Martensville which will all just add to the problem.

I just see light rail transit being the easiest solution to the problem since the infrastructure is there if they could get CP out of the city. Turn there yard in Sutherland into the maintenance shops then you have an east-west set of tracks that cuts through the city.
     
     
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Isn't moving CP a billion dollar proposition? I just pulled that number out of my ass, but I could've sworn I heard it when people were discussing this previously. It's really expensive.

The city briefly mentions a future LRT in this document: http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm...anning/Documents/future_growth_study.pdf. I thought there was an entirey report on it, but google is failing me and I'm not going to spend more than 20 seconds looking.
     
     
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here's a little history to show where this is at

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?15,1961329
     
     
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If I'm not mistaken Calgary's train system is actually one of the most successful in N.A. and actually has one of the highest amount of users per capita.
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What happened to the Circle Drive South Bridge construction cams?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2011, 7:13 AM
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What happened to the Circle Drive South Bridge construction cams?
According to a Nov 24, 2011 City of Saskatoon news release:

"The web camera site showing construction of the [south bridge] project is currently experiencing technical difficulties and is not able to be viewed. It is anticipated to be up and running soon."
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2011, 3:45 PM
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If I'm not mistaken Calgary's train system is actually one of the most successful in N.A. and actually has one of the highest amount of users per capita.
That is mainly a function of downtown parking rates (avg $300/mo when I lived there) and private auto insurance gives discounts if you use transit/don't drive every day. Of course almost everyone uses the C-train when it comes time to get insurance.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2011, 5:12 PM
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That is mainly a function of downtown parking rates (avg $300/mo when I lived there) and private auto insurance gives discounts if you use transit/don't drive every day. Of course almost everyone uses the C-train when it comes time to get insurance.
AND it's an excellent way to get people to use transit with that much suburban sprawl. Hopefully with the new d/t review recently submitted the city will really beef up its density intentions for the d/t. Living, working and playing families are a key component to a successful mixed use urban area. I know crime is always an issue being tackled in Saskatoon but if more families began to move into the d/t perhaps more radical results would be seen I always have seen Saskatoon different from most prairie cities, the city REALLY want to develop in a way that is attractive to the international community while maintaining its charcater. Perhaps we won't follow the typical suburban mess of all prairie cities and we will set ourselves a part by having an unusually dense city on such a large, "flat" piece of land!
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2011, 6:34 PM
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For the train I was more thinking of the sky train in Vancouver. My brother lives in Vancouver and I find it way more convenient to pay $2 and hop the train then pay $50 and take a taxi.

But I would also like to see a bullet train rather than VIA.
I live in Vancouver and I wish it was always that easy. But if you are going any distance that would dictate using Skytrain like from the burbs. Say from Surrey going to downtown where a lot of people that live in the burbs work. It's a $5 fare and thats one-way.

And of course every time you blink Translink is telling us that they need more money and need to raise fares and taxes to pay for the system. And the fares we pay to ride the bus or skytrain doesn't just stop there.

There is the multitude of taxes and levy's that even people that don't ride the bus pay for. Like the $2.50 a month transit levy on your power bill, the fuel taxes, property taxes, battery & tire surcharges. And I'm probably missing about a half a dozen other taxes and surcharges that we pay into Translink.

We pay through the nose for transit in this city. And one of the main contributors is this cadillac skytrain system. Which of course was the most expensive system they could find a the time.

And they are not done with us yet Translink is quite blunt that fares and taxes for transit are only going to go up. And one thing that really rubs people out here the wrong about Translink. Is how an unelected body which is what Translink is can get away with continually raising our taxes.

I don't think our skytrain system is any type of model for other cities to follow especially the way Translink runs it. And I'm not aware of too many cities if any that use this system.

Saskatoon is a fast growing city but it is still too small and there is just no need to be even thinking about LRT at this juncture. Yes people will tell me there are traffic bottle necks, there are in every city.

But in Saskatoon you can still get around relatively easy by car and there is ample parking. There are always improvements that can be made in any transit system more routes, running larger buses on some routes, more express buses from the burbs etc.

If governments want people to get out of their cars and use transit then they have to give people a reason to do so. Which means making it affordable, convenient, and efficient. And they have to run it like a business because transit has competition from other forms of transportation. Which means hiring drivers and employees that aren't actually jerks and treat their customers with at least a modicum of courtesy and respect.

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Old Posted Nov 27, 2011, 9:35 PM
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I live in Vancouver and I wish it was always that easy. But if you are going any distance that would dictate using Skytrain like from the burbs. Say from Surrey going to downtown where a lot of people that live in the burbs work. It's a $5 fare and thats one-way.

And of course every time you blink Translink is telling us that they need more money and need to raise fares and taxes to pay for the system. And the fares we pay to ride the bus or skytrain doesn't just stop there..
Transitlink also funds the bus network and road network. Not certain how much of the taxes go to the train system or the other parts but it sounds like a lot of tax.

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I don't think our skytrain system is any type of model for other cities to follow especially the way Translink runs it. And I'm not aware of too many cities if any that use this system.
I lived in Vancouver back in the 1980s when the first Skytrain line was built. The original Downtown to New West line was built on an old inter-urban streetcar route. Many of the old rails were still even in place. Preserving those old abandoned railway lines was a good starting point for the new skytrain. We should do the same in Saskatoon.

The EXPO and Millennium lines used a induction-motor technology developed in Ontario and now owned/marketed by Bombardier. The same technology is used for one line in Toronto, as well as JFK New York, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing, ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_Capacity_Transit_System). The same induction motor technology (not from Bombardier) is used quite a bit in Japan. The Canada line is pretty standard subway technology.

Both of those are more expensive technologies than LRT, however they have high capacity. You need a good sized population to support them. LRT is a better choice for Saskatoon, once we have another 100,000 to 200,000 people.

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Saskatoon is a fast growing city but it is still too small and there is just no need to be even thinking about LRT at this juncture. Yes people will tell me there are traffic bottle necks, there are in every city.

But in Saskatoon you can still get around relatively easy by car and there is ample parking. There are always improvements that can be made in any transit system more routes, running larger buses on some routes, more express buses from the burbs etc.

If governments want people to get out of their cars and use transit then they have to give people a reason to do so. Which means making it affordable, convenient, and efficient. And they have to run it like a business because transit has competition from other forms of transportation. Which means hiring drivers and employees that aren't actually jerks and treat their customers with at least a modicum of courtesy and respect.
Saskatoon transit could start on making the bus network more effective today. Right now it depends on where you live some parts of the city have excellent service others not so much.
     
     
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Where are all of these extremely valuable permits being issued to?


I don't mean to sound offensive... but what is Saskatoon building? The tallest building UC I have seen mentioned on here is like 5 stories.

Is the River Landing project included in that 875 million?
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2011, 10:21 PM
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I think the new police station is now under construction. The crane is up now.
     
     
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Where are all of these extremely valuable permits being issued to?


I don't mean to sound offensive... but what is Saskatoon building? The tallest building UC I have seen mentioned on here is like 5 stories.

Is the River Landing project included in that 875 million?
I think a lot of that is residential properties. I might be wrong, but a while ago on here it was mentioned that non-residential permits are down from last year. So I think a lot of that number is from the growth in housing going on (the university may also account for some of it).
     
     
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By the way, I think it's great that both Regina and Saskatoon's forums are talking about LRT feasibility... the sooner we start the debate, the better. Not that this forum ever resolves anything ... but it's a necessary conversation to have considering the growth going on in both cities and the work put into visionary documents for our downtowns.
     
     
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Where are all of these extremely valuable permits being issued to?


I don't mean to sound offensive... but what is Saskatoon building? The tallest building UC I have seen mentioned on here is like 5 stories.

Is the River Landing project included in that 875 million?
bland suburban office and industrial space in the north end
     
     
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By the way, I think it's great that both Regina and Saskatoon's forums are talking about LRT feasibility... the sooner we start the debate, the better. Not that this forum ever resolves anything ... but it's a necessary conversation to have considering the growth going on in both cities and the work put into visionary documents for our downtowns.
I agree, and I am on both forums quite often. It is important, and you know... with the people we have on these forums we might have more say then you give us credit for.
     
     
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By the way, I think it's great that both Regina and Saskatoon's forums are talking about LRT feasibility... the sooner we start the debate, the better. Not that this forum ever resolves anything ... but it's a necessary conversation to have considering the growth going on in both cities and the work put into visionary documents for our downtowns.
agreed!
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bland suburban office and industrial space in the north end
Lame man. When is Parcel Y going to be brought to council? Has the permit even been issued yet? The whole project all in all should be around 75 - 100 million right?
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