Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals - Page 167

TheMaxMan · #**3321** Posted **Nov 25, 2011, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by steveve

i agree!! that's what i've been saying the whole time! make better use of this triangular site! instead of that stupid little boot thing they made instead.

and those twin towers still aren't the most appealing, but at least one is a cylinder lol!!!... a wee bit better than i thought.

wow. these things will dominate our skyline forever... and we thought ICE was gonna make a huge impact, what about these!!!

our skyline is gonna get messed up big time.

It'll be fine. The skyline will survive our worst fears and keep on keeping on for a long time. It's just going to change up. It's been doing that as long as the city ever existed.

I agree that it would have been brilliant had the city approved a tall, narrow flatiron but in the end it may not matter. If the building looks great and the cladding and illumination is fantastic, in time few will pause to think about its odd shape. If anything, they'll find it distinctive. I think it's still a great design. I'm more concerned about how those twin 70s will look.

caltrane74 · #**3322** Posted **Nov 25, 2011, 11:18 PM**

Think about how mad the peeps steveve's age back in 1967 when the first steel and glass TD Towers went up must've been.

No more Scotiabank Tower, no more Commerce Court.

Times change...

dleung · #**3323** Posted **Nov 25, 2011, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by vanman

I agree. Bayshore Gardens, although it looks nice, is a complete waste of space and very suburban feeling. The Harbour Green towers are better but could have been spaced a bit closer together without any negative effects.

I'd focus on densifying the rest of Vancouver before worrying about cramming more stuff into downtown. I want more levels of retail at grade, more terraces, more hanging gardens, etc, not necessarily more density. At no point do I ever want to sacrifice our unique urban form in an attempt to emulate Manhattan.

Ramako · #**3324** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 12:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gresto

Sorry, when I said "many more rumours", that was an exaggeration, but there are several others. Plus, when the hell is Signature going to be a concrete proposal? Cityplace, including Signature, is one of the first Toronto developments I heard about when I started perusing these skyscraper websites over ten years ago.

I recently heard from a pretty good source that Signature will show up after Block 37 (the block west of Spectra and Quartz) is wrapped up, which is no big surprise. I also heard 65 storeys tentatively, but these things are always up in the air, especially at such an early stage.

Simpseatles · #**3325** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 12:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Think about how mad the peeps steveve's age back in 1967 when the first steel and glass TD Towers went up must've been.

No more Scotiabank Tower, no more Commerce Court.

Times change...

Oh yeah, the first TD towers looked ugly, dominating and completely out of scale with the rest of the buildings downtown when they were built, but now they are more or less undistinguishable in the skyline. I agree, times change, and skylines must change along with them. Although it is unfortunate that the waterfront skyline may look one dimensional and bland, since it is, and will probably continue to be the most popular view for postcards and such. Generally I don't think your average person will care though. Plus, the benefits of the continued development of these formerly unused lands with taller and taller buildings will definitely outweigh any visual disruptions in my opinion.

Gresto · #**3326** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 1:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

I recently heard from a pretty good source that Signature will show up after Block 37 (the block west of Spectra and Quartz) is wrapped up, which is no big surprise. I also heard 65 storeys tentatively, but these things are always up in the air, especially at such an early stage.

I see, thanks. I also don't think there will be a change in heights from the 65 storeys originally planned (despite the current push for more height and "tallest" this and that), because then Signature would be disproportionate to the others in Cityplace and the lot would no longer form the nice pyramidal shape that is seen in some of the "future" renders.

Travis007 · #**3327** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 1:54 PM**

Nice to hear that Signature Tower is on the foreseeable horizon. Even though I find most of the Cityplace towers to be architecturally decent (when analyzed individually), I would hope for something more distinct and bold for the "Signature Tower". *Sigh*, too bad Cityplace wasn't developed by Westbank.

WhipperSnapper · #**3328** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 4:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by steveve

i agree!! that's what i've been saying the whole time! make better use of this triangular site! instead of that stupid little boot thing they made instead.

and those twin towers still aren't the most appealing, but at least one is a cylinder lol!!!... a wee bit better than i thought.

wow. these things will dominate our skyline forever... and we thought ICE was gonna make a huge impact, what about these!!!

our skyline is gonna get messed up big time.

No, I would say Tridel has maximized the use of the site. Of course, everyone would like a flatiron here however, the reality is Tridel is in the business of making profit and a 75 storey tower with a square footprint is much easier to divvy up into sellable investor units than a 50 storey flatiron. (taking into the density stays the same)

caltrane74 · #**3329** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 5:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

The developer wanted to build a flatiron but the City told them no!

Ten York
http://www.thestar.com/iphone/article/1091403--ten-york-will-link-downtown-with-the-waterfront

Whippersnapper you missed this article.

steveve · #**3330** Posted **Nov 26, 2011, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Whippersnapper you missed this article.

i missed it too.. makes sense now.. but i wasn't exactly thinking full on flat iron, but something that starts out like a flat iron, and tapers to the top to a slimmer profile.. like a slope.

WhipperSnapper · #**3331** Posted **Nov 27, 2011, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Whippersnapper you missed this article.

I did miss the article however, I'm not convinced " trianglur footprint" is any more than a euphemism for a trapezoid.

vegeta_skyline · #**3332** Posted **Nov 27, 2011, 5:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I'm not convinced " trianglur footprint" is any more than a euphemism for a trapezoid.

A trapezoid form would of distinguished the building nicely as well.

steveve · #**3333** Posted **Nov 27, 2011, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by vegeta_skyline

A trapezoid form would of distinguished the building nicely as well.

i agree.. this along with whatever is proposed across the street (1 york or whatever the twin towers are called) will make this super tall box alley.

Travis007 · #**3334** Posted **Nov 28, 2011, 2:31 AM**

I agree, a tall trapezoid shaped building like Burano but with that facade design would have looked awesome.

Menkes' 1 York/90 Harbour looks promising though, and the curves should add some more interesting shapes to the Southcore area.

Travis007 · #**3335** Posted **Nov 29, 2011, 4:29 AM**

After two high profile projects last week, Toronto doesn't stop...

http://twitter.com/#!/SavelSells

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Huge huge huge new from Lanterra on a new project coming to Bay st!

caltrane74 · #**3336** Posted **Nov 29, 2011, 4:43 AM**

Where is the space on Bay Street for a huge new project?

Travis007 · #**3337** Posted **Nov 29, 2011, 4:59 AM**

My guess would be in Yorkville. I'm not 100% sure but I think I remember reading somewhere that 1255 Bay Street was for sale. Maybe Lanterra purchased these two ugly properties, south of the new FS. Other possibilities would be the parking lot north of the Coach Bus Terminal or the lot on Bay beside the Habour Commissions Building (not sure if that's taken?).

rbt · #**3338** Posted **Nov 29, 2011, 5:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Where is the space on Bay Street for a huge new project?

South-West corner of Bay & College could hold a very large twin tower if you demolish the two small office buildings.

That small building (Bay Street Hotel) being retiled at Bay & Elm plus some adjacent lots.

Elm consolidation on the east side of Bay.

Bay and Gerrard (south east corner); though probably not a terribly tall project.

Huge empty lot at Wellesley between Bay and Yonge in a partnership with Morguard. Two large condos and a rental?

Cumberland garage immediately south of the Four Seasons.

The string of houses on Sultan street (west of Bay) is close enough to be advertised as a Bay street location.

I didn't include anything near City Hall as we've already seen proposals near it get chopped significantly in size. The bus depot is TTC (therefore government) owned and would take 5 years to sell as every department/level of government gets a chance to bid on it first.

Long-shots include 45 Bay (tough to rezone) and the Westin Convention Center locations.

caltrane74 · #**3339** Posted **Nov 29, 2011, 11:27 AM**

Looks like Lanterra is going to redevelop the Sutton Place Hotel on Bay Street. Insider information at UT is not clear. But it looks as though Lanterra is planning to gut the inside of the hotel, and add floors on top.

Not clear how big this redevelopment will be, but I suspect it can't be super huge, the bones on the old Sutton Place can't be strong enough for even something 160 meters tall.

http://toronto.suttonplace.com

rbt · #**3340** Posted **Nov 29, 2011, 12:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Looks like Lanterra is going to redevelop the Sutton Place Hotel on Bay Street. Insider information at UT is not clear. But it looks as though Lanterra is planning to gut the inside of the hotel, and add floors on top.

Not quite what I would call huge. Also, missed the obvious 60 Harbour in my list of locations for large towers on Bay. Lots of space in this lot for twin residential and a large floorplate office building.