Lansdowne Park Redevelopment Phase 1 | Completed - Page 70

LeadingEdgeBoomer · #**1381** Posted **Sep 27, 2011, 12:18 PM**

At last night's FOL meeting, Ian Lee stated that the city should sell Lansdowne to the NCC for a pile of money.

Two or three years ago Clive Doucet wrote a letter to the NCC asking them to make an offer to buy LP.

The NCC responded by saying that they had no interest in buying LP now or any time in the future.

So this NCC idea is just another ploy to obscure the Lansdowne project and draw attention from the LPP. The FOL know, that the NCC has refused to consider buying LP. If they do not know, then they are not doing their homework diligently and should be given little credence.

AuxTown · #**1382** Posted **Sep 27, 2011, 12:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeadingEdgeBoomer

At last night's FOL meeting, Ian Lee stated that the city should sell Lansdowne to the NCC for a pile of money.

Two or three years ago Clive Doucet wrote a letter to the NCC asking them to make an offer to buy LP.

The NCC responded by saying that they had no interest in buying LP now or any time in the future.

So this NCC idea is just another ploy to obscure the Lansdowne project and draw attention from the LPP. The FOL know, that the NCC has refused to consider buying LP. If they do not know, then they are not doing their homework diligently and should be given little credence.

Can anyone say "stall tactics"? How about "obstructionist"? I can't believe that the bunch of granolas with guitars in that video are holding up a project of this scale after it has been through a competitive design process and every step of the way has been approved by council.

reidjr · #**1383** Posted **Sep 27, 2011, 1:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

Can anyone say "stall tactics"? How about "obstructionist"? I can't believe that the bunch of granolas with guitars in that video are holding up a project of this scale after it has been through a competitive design process and every step of the way has been approved by council.

Could that not back fire on the fol if the ncc did buy it would that not mean the fol and other groups would have far less of a say?

amanfromnowhere · #**1384** Posted **Oct 27, 2011, 8:20 PM**

From Stephanie Kinsella Twitter:

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Lansdowne appeal will be heard on Monday Nov 28th by a panel of 3 judges

https://twitter.com/#!/Stephk580

LeadingEdgeBoomer · #**1385** Posted **Oct 28, 2011, 4:18 PM**

Finally!

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Lansdowne south-side stands to be demolished by January

By David Reevely, The Ottawa CitizenOctober 28, 2011 11:06 AM

The city had estimated it would cost $1.5 million to demolish what’s left of the south-side stands at Lansdowne Park, but contract with Delsan-Aim Environmental Services pegs the cost at just $550,000.

OTTAWA — The crumbling south-side stands of Frank Clair Stadium at Lansdowne Park should be gone by January, the city announced Friday morning, now that it’s let a demolition contract.

City council approved the demolition last August, regardless of what happens with the plans to renovate the property as a whole — plans that are tied up in court till at least winter. The lower part of the south-side stands was taken down in summer 2008 after dangerous cracks were found in the structure, and the upper portion has been found to be nearly as bad.

The city had estimated the demolition would cost $1.5 million, but Friday’s announcement said the contract with Delsan-Aim Environmental Services is for just $550,000.

Getting the stands removed will allow the Lansdowne renovation project, which includes rebuilding new stands for Frank Clair Stadium, to move ahead faster if it passes all its legal hurdles. “By bringing the south-side stands down at this time the City benefits from a savings of approximately four months in the revised project schedule,” the announcement says. “This also allows for an additional cost savings as most of the concrete work can take place before the winter months and therefore avoid winter construction cost. The demolition of the south-side stands will help achieve substantial completion of the stadium by December 2013.”

Besides renovating Frank Clair for new football and soccer teams, the plan is to work with a group of private developers to build new commercial and residential space on the northern part of the Glebe property, and to replace the expanses of asphalt on the southern part with parkland.

The city has a court date at the end of November for an ongoing case brought by a community group, the Friends of Lansdowne Park, over whether the city’s deal with the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group is legitimate. The Friends lost at the trial stage last summer but have appealed. There’s also a separate case over whether the city should have considered an alternative, scaled-back vision for the project.

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MountainView · #**1386** Posted **Oct 28, 2011, 5:45 PM**

So if all legal hurdles are passed when will the shovels be in the ground to start building the new stadium? Article says "substantial completion of the stadium" by 2013. Thanks!

LeadingEdgeBoomer · #**1387** Posted **Oct 28, 2011, 7:35 PM**

Mountainview asked

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So if all legal hurdles are passed when will the shovels be in the ground to start building the new stadium? Article says "substantial completion of the stadium" by 2013. Thanks!

This was posted here in August--but since things seem to be starting to move, with the FOl appeal being heard in late November and the SSide stands coming down by the end of this year--it probably is salient to to be reminded of the current time table for the project.

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New Lansdowne Timeline
- August 11th, 2011

December 2011: Retail Tender Ready Design
December 2011: Parking Garage Tender Ready Design
December 2011: Site Servicing Tender Ready Design
December 2011: Horticulture Building Tender Ready Design
January 2012: Stadium Tender Ready Design
January 2012: Urban Park Tender Ready Design
May 2012: Legal Close, Stage 3 Begins
June 2012: Stadium Construction Begins
June 2012: Parking Garage Construction Begins
July 2012: Air Right Developers Tender Designs
January 2013: Mixed-use Building Construction Begins
December 2013: North Side Stands Substantial Completion
December 2013: South Side Stands Substantial Completion
Fall 2013: Mixed-use Building Envelopes Complete
January 2014: Urban Park Construction Begins
Fall 2014: Mixed-use Buildings Complete
Fall 2014: Urban Park Substantial Completion
Summer 2015: Urban Park Complete
Summer 2015: Project Closeout

c_speed3108 · #**1388** Posted **Oct 30, 2011, 4:20 PM**

I was at Lansdowne yesterday for the Gee-Gees game.

The fences are up around the south side stands and the area behind. Construction trailers and such have been setup. The are also mid-way through unloading and assembing a huge piece of equipment. I can not yet figure out exactly what it is as it was in many pieces. The tracked base was on flat-bed load itself.

c_speed3108 · #**1389** Posted **Nov 1, 2011, 1:04 PM**

Apparently the machine is a giant "muncher"

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Machine to 'munch' its way through Lansdowne stands

By David Reevely, The Ottawa Citizen October 31, 2011

OTTAWA — When the last of the south-side stands at Frank Clair Stadium come down this fall and winter, there won’t be an exciting series of explosions, says the company hired to do the work. But it will be a whole lot cheaper than the city expected.

Delsan-Aim Demolition, based just north of Toronto, is officially to start work on the upper south-side stands next week, but it’s already assembling the specialized piece of equipment that let it lowball the city’s $1.5-million estimate of the work’s cost by almost a million dollars.

“We have a high-reach excavator with a high-reach demolition tool,” explained Charlie Dahl, Delsan-AIM’s chief estimator. It looks like a rolling crane with a powerful pincer on the end, which Dahl said can reach up to 130 feet. “There’s not too many companies that own a piece of equipment like that.”

The pincer snaps off concrete a piece at a time rather than demolishing the target all at once. “It’s very controlled, very safe,” Dahl said. It produces so little dust that the stands will come down at the same time as the winter bubble is going up on the Frank Clair field a stone’s throw away, he said.

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Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Machine+mun...+stands/5634223/story.html#ixzz1cSTpqpMu

Davis137 · #**1390** Posted **Nov 3, 2011, 4:47 PM**

Well now, this all sounds quite promising, and even if it doesn't end up being beneficial to the case of OSEG vs FOL, it will at least make some staff at city hall, and in the courthouse happy that progress of some kind is being made while waiting on the results of that appeal.

waterloowarrior · #**1391** Posted **Nov 19, 2011, 7:15 PM**

as reported in the media recently, Crate & Barrel is coming to Lansdowne
http://www.trinity-group.com/?q=node/458

kevinbottawa · #**1392** Posted **Nov 20, 2011, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

as reported in the media recently, Crate & Barrel is coming to Lansdowne
http://www.trinity-group.com/?q=node/458

Looking at those diagrams it seems the plaza that was next to the Whole Foods/LCBO is gone.

AuxTown · #**1393** Posted **Nov 20, 2011, 3:24 PM**

OMG there's so much retail....it's gonna put everyone out of business!!

It looks like there will be maybe 10 stores and 3-4 restaurants total. It's funny you don't hear anything from those NIMBYs about too much retail or "big box centre" anymore and they just focus on their "true concerns" about city process. Two more weeks and we can put all this legal bull@#$% behind us. This will be a big win for progress in this city and will hopefully deter other NIMBY groups from stalling projects that have been approved by council through due process.

If FOL win the court case, I will never spend another cent in that neighbourhood; I can promise you that.

Jamaican-Phoenix · #**1394** Posted **Nov 20, 2011, 4:20 PM**

I certainly hope they don't win but even if they lose, I doubt we've heard or seen the last of them.

LeadingEdgeBoomer · #**1395** Posted **Nov 20, 2011, 4:46 PM**

Dropped by Lansdowne this Sunday morning and went to the Farmers Christmas Market in the Aberdeen pavilion.

I saw that the South Side Stands are now levelled---just a big pile of rubble waiting to be removed.

The winter dome has been put up as well.

alecz_dad · #**1396** Posted **Nov 21, 2011, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

Looking at those diagrams it seems the plaza that was next to the Whole Foods/LCBO is gone.

Seems like a number of things are gone. Despite claims to the contrary, that with each passing iteration of the site plan it become more "big boxy."

Comparing the 2010 site plan published by the City (p.24 http://ottawa.ca/residents/public_consult/lansdowne_partnership/site_plan_booklet_en.pdf
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/lansdownenov2010sitepla.jpg/) and the plan shown on Trinity's website, it seems as though more and more of the open spaces that were supposed to be in and around the planned commercial buildings have disappeared.

Whereas Trinity's site shows four large commercial buildings along the north edge of the site (A, B,C,D), the 2010 plan shows five (Bldg A was separated into two parts by a diagonal walkway) offering more open space. Also, Bldg C - the Empire Cinema - previously had an angled east wall that provided a better view corridor of the north face of the Aberdeen Pavilion, whereas now that corner of the cinema has been squared.

Also, when you compare the footprints of the buildings, in the 2010 plan they are much more uneven, with more complicated outlines, and perhaps small alcoves and other details at ground level, whereas in Trinity's 2011 plan most of the buildings have become much boxier (what else can you call it?) with straight walls; each one of which takes back little bits of the promised public areas surrounding the buildings, and moves it inside the stores as rentable square footage.

Similarly, the central plaza that I think Kevin B was referring to, that was to be at the centre of Bldgs G1, G2 and G3, has been deleted, to provide more space for a much larger Bldg G2, with just a little gap between it and Bldg G1.

The developer keeps ratcheting up the rentable square-footage, little by little, while public space is diminished. It seems as though the promised people place, not surprisingly is becoming more and more, just another outdoor shopping centre. Was this the bill of goods we were sold?

reidjr · #**1397** Posted **Nov 21, 2011, 4:25 PM**

I don't think they are adding anymore square feet if anything there could be less square feet as planned.

kevinbottawa · #**1398** Posted **Nov 21, 2011, 4:48 PM**

I hope it's just an error and the central plaza is still in the plan. That was a big selling feature for me. It made it a totally different shopping destination, somewhere you'd want to hang out. How many plazas/squares does the city have, especially where you could have a drink or a bite to eat? Not impressed.

amanfromnowhere · #**1399** Posted **Nov 21, 2011, 5:21 PM**

by Chuck Clark (southfacing):

S-Man · #**1400** Posted **Nov 21, 2011, 6:21 PM**

All that wasted asphalt and parking space....Taken up by buildings and grass. No more radiant heat column over the Glebe.