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Old Posted Nov 15, 2011, 6:57 AM
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believe me, I hope you & districtdirt are correct. In fact, I hope westsidelife loses his bet . but if you read all the comments I posted yesterday from the many ppl who've visited the ONLY dept store in all of dtla, then you'll realize there is a major problem with the area's economy. I can almost guarantee you that if there had been yrs & yrs of lots of money to be made by macys, their store at 7th & hope wouldn't be such a . And 7th & hope isn't off the beaten path as broadway still is. Macy's plaza is closer to more of the ppl with $$, esp those who work in the financial district or stay at some of the better hotels.

so if macys struggles to do well at 7th, flower & hope sts, how will a large new dept store do well at 8th & broadway? I think it will be tough even for a kohls or sears to survive there, much less a kmart (ugh) or a supersized 99 cents store . But I'll be very happy if I'm wrong.
Your criticisms aren't negative, but Macy's on 7th isn't fronted which requires an additional effort to get to the actual Macy's. Is that a mistake? Maybe not for 1970, but for today we can attract much more positive attention to a Macy's by fronting it to the street and designing it in a modern fashion. A street fronted modern Macy's on 7th could do much better business than the current Macy's we have. I am not making a point. I am simply laying out a reality of the shortcomings of this older Macy's design as opposed to the more contemporary retail structures which we are now accustomed to enjoying as an experience and consuming there.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2011, 7:19 AM
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but didn't you say last yr that after visiting bunker hill you were letdown cuz the design or layout of its newer devlpt wasn't urban or ppl friendly enough, or something like that? I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, but some ppl could say your criticism also was a form of being very pessimistic.

btw, when I've been around bunker hill & noticed few ppl on its sidewalks or plazas, it does have a disappointing ghost town feeling about it. but I'd say that's a problem due just as much to the history of the hood than due to the design of its newer devlpt. iow, too little new construction, resulting in too few ppl----in condos, apts, hotels & offices----going back too many yrs.

I recall also being somewhat annoyed at your focal point, not necessarily cuz it was incorrect, but cuz you at the same time didn't get about all the horrible deadzone parking lots throughout bunker hill. I think a lack of very thorough criticisms of the gaps & fugliness of the hood going back to the beginning of time have oddly enough made it easier for ppl to lose sight of just how inexcusably bad things have been for over 50 or maybe even 90 yrs.

which brings us to broadway: I don't recall hearing anyone say just how embarrassingly bad that street was & is, so I actually was lulled into a sense that it wasn't as pathetic as it really is. if anything, I recall some ppl saying the street was "authentic" or "real"----that it was humble & humane----or something like that, & how elitist it was for anyone to slam it.

in the meantime, SF has a glistening big new dept store....


www.dipity.com

while nyc has long been home to a very established big old dept store....


glassdoor.com

or an even larger, somewhat less $$ type of store....



^ when I see things like that, I become even more disgusted & impatient about things like this.....


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believe me, I hope you & districtdirt are correct. In fact, I hope westsidelife loses his bet . but if you read all the comments I posted yesterday from the many ppl who've visited the ONLY dept store in all of dtla, then you'll realize there is a major problem with the area's economy. I can almost guarantee you that if there had been yrs & yrs of lots of money to be made by macys, their store at 7th & hope wouldn't be such a . And 7th & hope isn't off the beaten path as broadway still is. Macy's plaza is closer to more of the ppl with $$, esp those who work in the financial district or stay at some of the better hotels.

so if macys struggles to do well at 7th, flower & hope sts, how will a large new dept store do well at 8th & broadway? I think it will be tough even for a kohls or sears to survive there, much less a kmart (ugh) or a supersized 99 cents store . But I'll be very happy if I'm wrong.

let me end on a positive note: I also still say that dt today is in better shape than it has been in over 30 yrs, or in other ways, in over 50 yrs, or in a certain way, since when horses or model Ts were running through the streets of LA. so just cuz it's not realistic to expect a big $$ dept store to be moving into the hood anytime soon, that doesn't mean there aren't alot of other positive things now taking place or soon to take place.
OMMGGGGG HAHA.... I LOVE LOS ANGELES..TRUST... but no joke... when i saw The Swap Meet of LA i busted out laughing .. i wasn't expecting that.. Cause you have San Francisco's gorgeous new looking bloomingdales, props to them, and then you have NYC who's known for their grand and legendary department stores.....i was taking it all in and then all of a sudden you show a small and tijuana looking wholesale shop selling cheap clothes and trinkets. oh lord. Makes me feel sad that people haven't done anything about cheap stores like that.. like don't the owners want an appealing and clean looking business??
     
     
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OMMGGGGG HAHA.... I LOVE LOS ANGELES..TRUST... but no joke... when i saw The Swap Meet of LA i busted out laughing .. i wasn't expecting that.. Cause you have San Francisco's gorgeous new looking bloomingdales, props to them, and then you have NYC who's known for their grand and legendary department stores.....i was taking it all in and then all of a sudden you show a small and tijuana looking wholesale shop selling cheap clothes and trinkets. oh lord. Makes me feel sad that people haven't done anything about cheap stores like that.. like don't the owners want an appealing and clean looking business??
Lol. I loled at this post.

Anyway, Broadway is a risky place to put any sort of high end retail store due to the fact that it's about 95% minority owned. A lot of people would throw their shit around if you were to put something like a Sakks right next to Maria's House of Tacos. We all want to see Broadway thrive and be magical and pretty and urban and all that nonsense but you have to redevelop it in the right way.
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What about the Hearst bldg that LosAngelesDreamin mentioned? Talk about a successful juxtaposition of old and new:



And I'll throw out two other Foster projects that also do this exceedingly well. The British Museum in London:



...and the National Portrait Gallery in DC:

Much better. Nothing personal against Foster; only against the Gherkin. And I'm willing to admit it's pretty much all a matter of opinion.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2011, 5:39 PM
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Exactly. You guys (besides a very few) are incredibly pessimistic to a point that borders on irrationality. It's like you guys want downtown to fail. You even refute hard, cold facts about the current income level! Yes, I know, downtown is no Beverly Hills, but it isn't Boyle Heights either. Like District Dirt said, there would be no point in teasing a Ross or a similar discount store. What we will get will be something big, something nice, and something higher-end then what is currently on Broadway. Downtown is getting nicer, and something like a Ross would simply keep Downtown at the level it currently is at. Besides, really, downtown has caught every ball thrown at it. By that I mean, remember all the pessimism when Bottega Louie was going to open? Everybody thought that a higher-end market/restaurant would fail spectacularly in 'gritty' downtown. Well, Bottega Louie certainly hasn't failed. In fact, it almost single-handedly made DLTA one of the biggest food-destinations in LA! Downtown is now starting to get higher-end stores, as well. Brigham Yen just posted on his blog the news that a high-end boutique mens clothing shop just opened on Spring. A high-end womens store just opened on 7th. And these stores aren't just high end for downtown. They are carrying brands that would be considered high-end no matter what neighborhood the store was in. My point is, don't be so pessimistic. Good things are coming to downtown, and downtown is ready for them.



Using census numbers for Downtown from 2000 is like using a newspaper from 1900 to see what is happening in 2011. So much has changed in the past ten years, that it is impossible to use data from 2000 to prove points in 2011.
I agree that the numbers are old; but it really would be a miracle if the median family income went from 17k to 83k in 10 years.

You shouldn't confuse realism with pessimism. The improvements in DT have been amazing; but I think everyone would agree that it is not as good as some of the best US downtowns.

Just for curiosity: does anyone know of a stand-alone Nordstrom's anywhere in California? The only ones I have ever seen are in malls. I would welcome one but in all honesty don't expect one.
     
     
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Wow this thread is depressing. All of you negative Nancies. Debbie Downers. And...uhhh..Pessimistic Peggies or whatever.
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haha i know but its cute that they meant dept stores like Neiman Marcus or Barney's New York and you so confident and serious say forever 21 lol u were so off
Your trolling needs some work. Reread the thread and get back to me.
     
     
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Much better. Nothing personal against Foster; only against the Gherkin. And I'm willing to admit it's pretty much all a matter of opinion.
Fair enough. I'm partial to the Gherkin though- not for how it relates to the buildings around it, but because when I lived in London, it was was the first thing I saw when I left the flat every morning
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Whoa.

BlogDowntown is reporting that Gensler has unveiled a completely new "light and airy" design for the Farmer's Field.


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Apparently it has a "deployable" roof as opposed to a "retractable" roof. So the default would be no roof, but they could assemble a roof for events/weather that calls for it.

So? Opinions?
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That's much better. Could have the potential to become iconic one day.
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That looks so much better. I'd imagine it would be hard to keep clean though especially for convention events.
     
     
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I agree that the numbers are old; but it really would be a miracle if the median family income went from 17k to 83k in 10 years.
It would be a miracle if the population of downtown went from below 7000 to 50,000 in ten years. Oh, wait a second....
     
     
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Much better, and it would be the best design out of any sports venue in the L.A. area (not saying too much tho). But I wouldn't call it 'iconic'. I was hoping the developers would go more ambitious (think Beijing National Stadium, AAMI Park in Melbourne, or Nou Mestalla)
     
     
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Apparently it has a "deployable" roof as opposed to a "retractable" roof. So the default would be no roof, but they could assemble a roof for events/weather that calls for it.

So? Opinions?
Programmatic architecture revisited? At least in these renderings, it reminds me of stylized football player shoulder pads. Interesting.
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That's much better. Could have the potential to become iconic one day.
wow

like i've always said, los angeles only builds what the people like
     
     
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Apparently it has a "deployable" roof as opposed to a "retractable" roof. So the default would be no roof, but they could assemble a roof for events/weather that calls for it.

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I hope this "deployable" roof idea doesn't mean they're gonna be placing some fugly tarp.
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Programmatic architecture revisited? At least in these renderings, it reminds me of stylized football player shoulder pads. Interesting.
God, L.A. used to have the coolest programmatic architecture. It would be so cool to see that uniquely L.A. architectural idea return in some form.
     
     
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Your trolling needs some work. Reread the thread and get back to me.
Im not being mean or trying to troll in anyway i was just saying what you said was cute -__-''
     
     
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Whoa.

BlogDowntown is reporting that Gensler has unveiled a completely new "light and airy" design for the Farmer's Field.


Image: Blogdowntown


Image: Blogdowntown

Apparently it has a "deployable" roof as opposed to a "retractable" roof. So the default would be no roof, but they could assemble a roof for events/weather that calls for it.

So? Opinions?
I love it.. it looks like wings. So much more better than the first design
     
     
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Im not being mean or trying to troll in anyway i was just saying what you said was cute -__-''
Uh huh.
     
     
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