YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Johnny Aussie]

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Yup.

All up, TS will have 19 weekly transatlantic flights next summer.

All flights are non-stop unless otherwise noted

AMS - 3
CDG - 3 (1 is via YYC) up 1
FRA - 4 (1 is via YYC) up 1
LGW - 6 (was Thomas Cook x 5 TS x 1) prior summer 1 was 1-stop via YEG
MAN - 2 (was Thomas Cook)
GLA - 1 (was Thomas Cook)

MUC has been discontinued.

[jlousa]

Are the Barcalona/Madrid flights canned for this year?

[Yume-sama]

What are Air Transat flights like? I always equated them with budget and not too good. But I might be interested in going to Europe if the price is right lol

And by not too good I mean the horrors of having like, a TV you have to share with everyone else

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

What are Air Transat flights like? I always equated them with budget and not too good. But I might be interested in going to Europe if the price is right lol

And by not too good I mean the horrors of having like, a TV you have to share with everyone else

What TV? The only Air Transat plane that has TV is the one that they got from Dragonair.

[Yume-sama]

Oh holy hell *_* How uncivilized

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

all we need are one or two more nonstops to major European hubs. I know people are sick of my harping on Paris, but a sales and marketing representative at YVR said that it (Paris) would be a major market in Europe. It would still be second after LHR, but reportedly might overtake Amsterdam, possibly even Frankfurt as second or third destination; if it had scheduled daily service (but that would be bad for Toronto and its magnificent airport)

I don't know that the reason that there are no regularly scheduled daily flights to Paris is because of YYZ. Air France has had access to YVR for years but they have never decided to operate the flight. AC did seasonal summer flights last year (not sure if they did any this year). I think YVR could easily support a daily CDG run but it's unlikely to impact traffic at either YYZ or YUL.

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by ACT7

Air France has had access to YVR for years but they have never decided to operate the flight.

Actually, for many years, Air France could only serve Toronto and Montreal. It's believed this was one of the reasons AF decided to serve Seattle instead of Vancouver. Of course, they are free to serve YVR now that a new bilateral with the EU has been negotiated. It's interesting to note that the SEA-CDG flight will switch to Delta Airlines metal, so I wonder if there is a chance whether AF might come to YVR.

You're right that Air Canada hasn't been able to make YVR-CDG work.

Some good news on European flights, though. It seems that Virgin Atlantic will begin seasonal 4x weekly flights next year between YVR and LHR. Story is here:

Virgin Atlantic to offer flights between Vancouver and London

[Gordon]

That's good news . It would be nice to see it's sister airline Virgin America begin service out of YVR

[craneSpotter]

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[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by Gordon

That's good news. It' would be nice to see Virgin America beginf service out of YVR

It's not Virgin America. It's Virgin Atlantic, operating to London Heathrow.

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by Canadian74

It's not Virgin America. It's Virgin Atlantic, operating to London Heathrow.

I believe the point still stands that it would be nice to see Virgin America

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by ACT7

I don't know that the reason that there are no regularly scheduled daily flights to Paris is because of YYZ. Air France has had access to YVR for years but they have never decided to operate the flight. AC did seasonal summer flights last year (not sure if they did any this year). I think YVR could easily support a daily CDG run but it's unlikely to impact traffic at either YYZ or YUL.

Thank you for the acknowlegment and reinforcement on that point. (A YVR Marketing person gave me those ratings.)

I can only muster an ambiguous response to your question; first, AC could profitably pick up this route, it seems, but will not. Air France is doing well with Seattle and has lost interest in the less business/more tourist YVR market (at least, that's how they perceive it)
Toronto has among the highest landing fees anywhere to help pay for that spanking new airport. They need planes to land and take off from YYZ. This a way of helping pay for the new YYZ.
YUL - Paris is self-sustaining due to the common language and economic link factors and don't seem to funnel off as much western traffic.
Is there a factor here, or it just my imagination?
Anyway, a potential YVR - CDG daily sched is expected to be a market biggie, (say YVR sources) so why is someone not taking it up?
It's overdue, and it doesn't make sense. Paris itself is not only a major destination in itself, but CDG is the most "connected" airport in Europe - an ideal connection point to just about anywhere.

'but 'nobody wan'd it, an' it jist don' make no sense' ...

Anyone else ever wondered the same thing, or is it still only me?

[Gordon]

I realze that, but it would also be nice to see Virgin Anerica flyinf betqeen YVR & maybe SFO

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

I realze that, but it would also be nice to see Virgin Anerica flyinf betqeen YVR & maybe SFO

For sure !!! The more the merrier!! (and that includes destinations, too)

[Yume-sama]

I wonder if there would actually be enough dedicated SFO traffic for that. I was under the impression it was somewhat of a feeder to the Star Alliance, Singapore Airlines and etc.

Though I can't imagine who in their right mind would choose to connect in America, just for the hassle of having to go to... America.

[usog]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

I wonder if there would actually be enough dedicated SFO traffic for that. I was under the impression it was somewhat of a feeder to the Star Alliance, Singapore Airlines and etc.

Though I can't imagine who in their right mind would choose to connect in America, just for the hassle of having to go to... America.

It's often a lot cheaper even if a bit of a run-around to connect through SFO to Asia sadly.

[Yume-sama]

I'll give you that it's often slightly cheaper, but it's not worth the hours of hassle usually.

Though, I do personally know some people who've taken a 3 stop flight to Las Vegas to save $20 lol. People aren't smart / logical with time and money

[Johnny Aussie]

Also in the same Virgin Atlantic article, last couple of paragraphs.

"Meanwhile, Premier Christy Clark announced plans today for China's Sichuan Airlines to begin servicing Vancouver with three new flights a week, starting next year. A letter of intent was signed over the weekend, but the plan must still be approved by Transport Canada.

Earlier this year, China Southern Airlines began flying passengers and cargo from Guangzhou to Vancouver International Airport. The proposed new service from Chengdu and Shenyang to Vancouver is expected to bring 31,000 additional visitors to B.C. annually, Clark said in a release from Guangdong, a stop on her Jobs Trade Mission."

Well, letters of intent don't really mean anything... wait and see I guess.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Virgi...+London/5665015/story.html#ixzz1cxnizLd2

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by vanlaw

Just checked. Surprisingly AC comes in at $1230 through NRT. On the way there, there is an almost 24hr layover in Tokyo. At firsst I thought that was bad, but never been to Tokyo so a night there might be nice.

I’m actually kinda baffled at the prices to Asia. Maybe a result of all the airlines flying from YVR? I’m use to at least $1400+ to Europe now in the offseaon, so $1050-$1300 to Asia seems great.

If it was a 6 hour layover, I'd agree... this is 24 hours. It's also only 36 minutes to Tokyo on the brand new SkyLiner.

And there's 3 or 4 routes to get to Tokyo.

I'd say if it's someone's first time to Asian, any airport in Japan is about the friendliest and easiest time that you'll have. Lots of signage in english and they'll go WAY out of their way to help people. Transit runs extremely punctually and there's lots to see in do in Tokyo that could fill 24 hours. They also have luggage lockers (I believe they have them at Narita too?) so you're not hauling your luggage around town and you're not worrying about it getting stolen as personal theft is really really low.

As a bonus, your code-share is likely going to be with ANA, which are really nice. I was on a [domestic] plane last year that was entirely full-reclining business-class seats. It's a pity it was only a short Osaka - Tokyo run.

[usog]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

I'll give you that it's often slightly cheaper, but it's not worth the hours of hassle usually.

Though, I do personally know some people who've taken a 3 stop flight to Las Vegas to save $20 lol. People aren't smart / logical with time and money

This summer YVR-NRT direct priced in at ~$1500 all things considered, while YVR-SFO-NRT was ~$1200, I thought it was worth it for an extra 2 or 3 hours. Heck, just look at all the people going through Bellingham.