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Old Posted Nov 1, 2011, 1:30 PM
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What does everyone think of MARTA spending $18.3M on improvements to the Buckhead MARTA station?

As someone who lives in Midtown and commutes to Buckhead where I work in a tower literally right down from the station, I think it is a HUGE waste. The intent is to "beautify" the station, re-open the north entrance, and connect the station's north entrance over 400 to Stratford Rd (from Tower Place).

NOBODY in Tower Place takes MARTA, and it is not because the North Entrance is not open, it is because they all drive nice cars and can park in a reserved spot in each building within Tower Place. My building the same (Terminus).

Can we even take a guess as to whether or not the residents along Stratford Road will now use the MARTA station? Let's see...hypothetically speaking I just dropped $3M on a condo in Mansion, I have my Mercedes or Prius valeted, I either work down the street already or I am a woman who spends my time shopping at Lenox and Phipps, where I don't dare walk, but I have my car valeted there, too. Am I a MARTA rider? Pass/Fail

Instead, MARTA could have used the money to upgrade Art Center Station, which leaks, has security and visibility issues, is old and crummy looking, and takes up an inefficient amount of space. They then would have had money to upgrade Midtown Station, which has easements and parcels all over the empty Cousins/AGL Resources block across the street. How about MARTA spend some money to free up that land as much as possible to be redeveloped so Cousins no longer has an excuse to sit on its ass.

Then, with money leftover from that, it could have "beautified" North Ave Station, got rid of the stench, improved visibility and in turn security, and modernized it a tad.

Instead, we are spending $18.3M on people who don't and won't use MARTA.
I don't agree. I doubt MARTA is building this bridge for the people who would never ride anyway. This project does what MARTA needs to do, improve access. The station is currently built like a one door shot-gun house and is inconvenient to use. I think this addition will help send some foot traffic west of 400.

I also live in Midtown where I have commuted regularly on MARTA to Medical Center for the past 2.5 years. On a few occasions, I would have used such a bridge to access the adjacent shopping center for Bed Bath & Beyond or Ulta, stores which I don't know how to easily access on the existing train route.

Riding the train to Lenox mall on the weekend, you'll see a sizable, often young crowd ready to go hang out and drop a few dollars, myself included. Nordstrom Rack, TJ Maxx, DSW, etc. are all pertinent to a similar crowd. Buckhead Station Shopping Center (imagine that) will finally be easily accessible now to ... Buckhead Station.
     
     
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What's the ratio of rich condo dwellers to the army of retail, food service, hospitality, and office support staff who keep those malls, shopping centers, hotels, and office buildings running?
     
     
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Emory Point signs first retailers

CVS, Jos A. Bank, Marlow’s Tavern, Which Wich, Solar Dimensions and Carriage Cleaners, are the first businesses to sign leases at the mixed-use development located in the Clifton Corridor, adjacent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and in close proximity to Emory University and Emory Healthcare, according to a press release.

Larry Gellerstedt, Cousins’ President and CEO, estimates these Emory Point retailers will create nearly 600 jobs.

“From locally owned stores and restaurants to national chains, Emory Point will provide the trade area with a unique mix of upscale retail and restaurant options,” Gellerstedt said in the release.

Construction began in July on Phase I, the $100+ million phase of the project, which accounts for more than 80,000 square feet of retail space and 443 apartments.











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Old Posted Nov 2, 2011, 11:30 AM
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I don't agree. I doubt MARTA is building this bridge for the people who would never ride anyway. This project does what MARTA needs to do, improve access. The station is currently built like a one door shot-gun house and is inconvenient to use. I think this addition will help send some foot traffic west of 400.

I also live in Midtown where I have commuted regularly on MARTA to Medical Center for the past 2.5 years. On a few occasions, I would have used such a bridge to access the adjacent shopping center for Bed Bath & Beyond or Ulta, stores which I don't know how to easily access on the existing train route.

Riding the train to Lenox mall on the weekend, you'll see a sizable, often young crowd ready to go hang out and drop a few dollars, myself included. Nordstrom Rack, TJ Maxx, DSW, etc. are all pertinent to a similar crowd. Buckhead Station Shopping Center (imagine that) will finally be easily accessible now to ... Buckhead Station.
Now what if you could just do your shopping in Midtown? Do you, Thomas, go to Ulta and BBB? The other stores? Given Atlanta's autocentric nature, would you really take Marta to shop at these stores rather than drive quickly and conveniently to any number of nearby TJX and BBB and Ross stores?

The reason why I ask is because even with the north entrance open, you have a barren hostile office park environment to walk through before you get to the big 2-floor community center that has a massive 2-floor parking lot in front of it. On the weekend I can all but guarantee that you would be the only person on the sidewalk in that area.

And regarding the service and support of these stores, many drive in from points that aren't accessible by Marta, so that's a mute point, as well. Trust me, I know this area well. I am about to hop in my car to drive up to Terminus and park in our 12 level garage. I literally live across from a Marta station here in Midtown, and it is faster, cheaper, and more convenient for me just to drive up there. Walking pretty much anywhere in Buckhead is depressing because you are either the only one, or the cars are wondering what to do with you walking around or they plain don't see you, which is why there are so many traffic cops all day in that area along Piedmont and Peachtree. There isn't even a crosswalk from my building to the Disco Kroger, requiring a full time traffic cop! And once you get in that parking lot, the sidewalk ends and you are left to fend for yourself against the Starbucks traffic, lunch crowd traffic, and Kroger traffic.
     
     
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Gah what's with those skywalks? 4 story buildings need to be connected at upper levels?
     
     
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Gah what's with those skywalks? 4 story buildings need to be connected at upper levels?
Is it a connection to parking decks?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2011, 2:25 PM
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Now what if you could just do your shopping in Midtown? Do you, Thomas, go to Ulta and BBB? The other stores? Given Atlanta's autocentric nature, would you really take Marta to shop at these stores rather than drive quickly and conveniently to any number of nearby TJX and BBB and Ross stores?

The reason why I ask is because even with the north entrance open, you have a barren hostile office park environment to walk through before you get to the big 2-floor community center that has a massive 2-floor parking lot in front of it. On the weekend I can all but guarantee that you would be the only person on the sidewalk in that area.

And regarding the service and support of these stores, many drive in from points that aren't accessible by Marta, so that's a mute point, as well. Trust me, I know this area well. I am about to hop in my car to drive up to Terminus and park in our 12 level garage. I literally live across from a Marta station here in Midtown, and it is faster, cheaper, and more convenient for me just to drive up there. Walking pretty much anywhere in Buckhead is depressing because you are either the only one, or the cars are wondering what to do with you walking around or they plain don't see you, which is why there are so many traffic cops all day in that area along Piedmont and Peachtree. There isn't even a crosswalk from my building to the Disco Kroger, requiring a full time traffic cop! And once you get in that parking lot, the sidewalk ends and you are left to fend for yourself against the Starbucks traffic, lunch crowd traffic, and Kroger traffic.
So don't make any improvements to transit because...Atlanta needs transit improvements? Just because an upgrade was made that doesn't fit your needs doesn't mean that it isn't needed. The above rant is a very personal one and doesn't apply to everyone - even if you believe that is does.
     
     
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Simms3, you live across the street from one MARTA Station, and work across the street from another MARTA station a few stops away, both of which are in heavily urban areas, yet you still drive? No offense, but it sounds to me like you're part of the problem.


Edit: I don't mean for that to sound rude, what I mean is that MARTA and the City of Atlanta can't even convince young urbanites like yourself to take the train. It's really an uphill battle for them when trying to encourage "choice" riders.

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Now what if you could just do your shopping in Midtown? Do you, Thomas, go to Ulta and BBB? The other stores? Given Atlanta's autocentric nature, would you really take Marta to shop at these stores rather than drive quickly and conveniently to any number of nearby TJX and BBB and Ross stores?

The reason why I ask is because even with the north entrance open, you have a barren hostile office park environment to walk through before you get to the big 2-floor community center that has a massive 2-floor parking lot in front of it. On the weekend I can all but guarantee that you would be the only person on the sidewalk in that area.

And regarding the service and support of these stores, many drive in from points that aren't accessible by Marta, so that's a mute point, as well. Trust me, I know this area well. I am about to hop in my car to drive up to Terminus and park in our 12 level garage. I literally live across from a Marta station here in Midtown, and it is faster, cheaper, and more convenient for me just to drive up there. Walking pretty much anywhere in Buckhead is depressing because you are either the only one, or the cars are wondering what to do with you walking around or they plain don't see you, which is why there are so many traffic cops all day in that area along Piedmont and Peachtree. There isn't even a crosswalk from my building to the Disco Kroger, requiring a full time traffic cop! And once you get in that parking lot, the sidewalk ends and you are left to fend for yourself against the Starbucks traffic, lunch crowd traffic, and Kroger traffic.
There are plenty of pedestrians walking along Peachtree through Buckhead. The bridge makes sense because it improves MARTA access to the majority of the business district. You would be surprised how quickly ridership drops as walking distance to and from the station rises.
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The 10st street dual-branded hotel crane is being installed today. Sorry I dont have any photos but I was driving by on 75/85
     
     
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It's hard to get developers to do the right thing and be transit-friendly when the transit system isn't accessible to their developments. It's a chicken/egg type deal. I'm not convinced it's the best possible expenditure of funds, but it will definitely benefit a number of folks and increase ridership incrementally.

After all, people in those nice condo towers and apartments don't just go to work; they go to Braves games, the airport, festivals, and so on. Having to walk ~800 feet less will definitely tip the scales for some of these people on some of those trips. Every little helps.
     
     
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Simms3, you live across the street from one MARTA Station, and work across the street from another MARTA station a few stops away, both of which are in heavily urban areas, yet you still drive? No offense, but it sounds to me like you're part of the problem.
I actually take MARTA very frequently relative to the typical Atlantan, but nowadays I walk in Midtown, even occasionally from downtown to Midtown and vice versa, thus eliminating that trip, and I mostly drive to work, thus mostly eliminating that trip. I might ride the train 10 times in a month, sometimes more, sometimes less.

I drive for several good reasons. With MARTA fares the way they are, especially now, and given the gas mileage on my brand new car, it is cheaper for me to drive. Two, given the longgg headways for MARTA even during the short rush "hour" during 7-9AM and 4-6PM, it is much quicker for me to drive as I face no traffic on my 5-6 mile commute. Three, often I have to run errands where MARTA does not go, and it obviously does not go most places. Four, parking in my condo building is free and parking in my office building is paid for by my employer. Five, the walk from the Buckhead Station to my office building is half a mile, which to me is not a long walk, but I hate walking in Buckhead.

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There are plenty of pedestrians walking along Peachtree through Buckhead. The bridge makes sense because it improves MARTA access to the majority of the business district. You would be surprised how quickly ridership drops as walking distance to and from the station rises.
There is a small lunch hour "rush" to get to Bistro Niko and F2O and a small rush at 5-6, especially of BCBS GA employees leaving their building to get to the MARTA station, which is right next door. There is not a lot of pedestrian activity, and no matter how hard they try, the area will always be suited much more for the car. Really nobody north of the station takes MARTA...it's all Atlanta Financial Center, Tower Place, BCBS GA, and some Terminus, and a *very* small percentage of each with the exception of BCBS GA.

Workers in my building will walk to Bistro Niko for lunch, maybe Chipotle on Piedmont at furthest, but you can forget about convincing most to ditch their cars. The major lunch destinations outside of specific office buildings are to the south/west in the new Buckhead Village where Souper Jenny's is and towards Pharr where Fido's is. Trust me, nobody is walking to those areas and parking there is as impossible sometimes as it is to park in Chicago or New York.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 2, 2011, 9:02 PM
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I believe that the only true pedestrian areas in Atlanta are in Midtown and Downtown. With this opinion of mine, it goes without saying that MARTA owns and occupies too much land for their stations. In most cities, a station is a hole in the ground with a sign and busses just pull over on the sides of the streets. In Atlanta each station is essentially a block, and most of the stations are practically eye sores and are campgrounds for people.

I don't blame the security for not being able to effectively police the stations because they are simply too massive!

My main point here is that MARTA should reduce its footprint in Midtown and clear up land for development immediately adjacent to the stations. It's ironic that there are 3 office buildings (AFC, BCBS GA, and 3344 Peachtree) closer to the suburban Buckhead station than there are office buildings close to Art Center Station. Cousins owns 10 Tenth St where AGL Resources is, and it owns 95% of the empty block/parking lot across the street. It just so happens MARTA owns two parcels jutting into the Cousins block across from the station and it owns a parcel dead in the middle where an air vent is. I am sure there are all sorts of easements and other encumbrances MARTA has on that block, and I am sure that Cousins to a degree uses MARTA as an excuse to be lazy and just sit on the land.

Really, though, that block is a huge hole disconnecting little hubs of activity. People don't want to walk by it, especially at night along 8th St. It disconnects Tech Square from Plaza Midtown from Peachtree St, and if all were connected better by active uses, then we would have better MARTA usage and better pedestrian activity.

These are the sorts of opportunities for development available in Midtown. These opportunities do not exist in Buckhead because it was laid out and developed differently. Nothing is ever going to really connect there.

I propose that Cousins work with the Midtown Alliance and MARTA to free up that block and build a parking/retail center on that block which includes an urban format Best Buy, a PetSmart, a DSW or something to that effect, and some other stuff. Build the parking structure in an attractive manor and allow for development on top when the market calls for it. This would keep people shopping in Midtown entirely, and would fill that hole, and would increase pedestrian activity, thereby increasing everyone's property values. I'm sure the Centergy North crew of the famous Kim King's son Beau King and Seven Oaks (Bob Voyles) would be very happy with that. I'm sure Dewberry would be very happy with that, though I think he shot himself in the foot by leasing out to those clubs. Loudermilk-Roehrig would be very happy with that. The new hotel going up would be very happy with that. Tech students would be very happy with that.

Basically, Midtown Alliance just spent money streetscaping West Peachtree near me across from Art Center Station. Our sidewalks were never really bad in the first place. West Peachtree on the South side of 14th is really bad and being redeveloped (whereas my section is not). Pershing Point was streetscaped, and no offense to SCAD students but the sidewalk was not abysmal there either and there just was not enough foot traffic in my opinion to justify it.

With all of that money, Midtown Alliance could have spearheaded the redevelopment of an important piece of land by working with MARTA and Cousins.
     
     
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I believe that the only true pedestrian areas in Atlanta are in Midtown and Downtown. With this opinion of mine, it goes without saying that MARTA owns and occupies too much land for their stations. In most cities, a station is a hole in the ground with a sign and busses just pull over on the sides of the streets. In Atlanta each station is essentially a block, and most of the stations are practically eye sores and are campgrounds for people.

I don't blame the security for not being able to effectively police the stations because they are simply too massive!

My main point here is that MARTA should reduce its footprint in Midtown and clear up land for development immediately adjacent to the stations. It's ironic that there are 3 office buildings (AFC, BCBS GA, and 3344 Peachtree) closer to the suburban Buckhead station than there are office buildings close to Art Center Station. Cousins owns 10 Tenth St where AGL Resources is, and it owns 95% of the empty block/parking lot across the street. It just so happens MARTA owns two parcels jutting into the Cousins block across from the station and it owns a parcel dead in the middle where an air vent is. I am sure there are all sorts of easements and other encumbrances MARTA has on that block, and I am sure that Cousins to a degree uses MARTA as an excuse to be lazy and just sit on the land.

Really, though, that block is a huge hole disconnecting little hubs of activity. People don't want to walk by it, especially at night along 8th St. It disconnects Tech Square from Plaza Midtown from Peachtree St, and if all were connected better by active uses, then we would have better MARTA usage and better pedestrian activity.

These are the sorts of opportunities for development available in Midtown. These opportunities do not exist in Buckhead because it was laid out and developed differently. Nothing is ever going to really connect there.

I propose that Cousins work with the Midtown Alliance and MARTA to free up that block and build a parking/retail center on that block which includes an urban format Best Buy, a PetSmart, a DSW or something to that effect, and some other stuff. Build the parking structure in an attractive manor and allow for development on top when the market calls for it. This would keep people shopping in Midtown entirely, and would fill that hole, and would increase pedestrian activity, thereby increasing everyone's property values. I'm sure the Centergy North crew of the famous Kim King's son Beau King and Seven Oaks (Bob Voyles) would be very happy with that. I'm sure Dewberry would be very happy with that, though I think he shot himself in the foot by leasing out to those clubs. Loudermilk-Roehrig would be very happy with that. The new hotel going up would be very happy with that. Tech students would be very happy with that.

Basically, Midtown Alliance just spent money streetscaping West Peachtree near me across from Art Center Station. Our sidewalks were never really bad in the first place. West Peachtree on the South side of 14th is really bad and being redeveloped (whereas my section is not). Pershing Point was streetscaped, and no offense to SCAD students but the sidewalk was not abysmal there either and there just was not enough foot traffic in my opinion to justify it.

With all of that money, Midtown Alliance could have spearheaded the redevelopment of an important piece of land by working with MARTA and Cousins.
Uh, did you mean to say MIDTOWN station?

BTW, back when the economy was booming, it was proposed that the now-killed Cavatrava Symphony Center be built atop Arts Center Station. Can you just imagaine a bunch of tuxedos and ballroom dresses riding MARTA to a concert at the Symphony Center??
     
     
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Uh, did you mean to say MIDTOWN station?

BTW, back when the economy was booming, it was proposed that the now-killed Cavatrava Symphony Center be built atop Arts Center Station. Can you just imagaine a bunch of tuxedos and ballroom dresses riding MARTA to a concert at the Symphony Center??
Nope, I meant every station I specified. Scurred me there for a moment because I did type in haste.

I do remember the Calatrava design. He has become so passe now that it's ok that it did not get built . Art Center Station is just a massive, ugly, leaking, smelly structure and it's hard to say it really adds value to the area (even though it does to a degree). I was beat up there once actually, so in my biased opinion security is not as high as it should be, either. Of course this was at 11:30PM and apparently because I was white, alone, and dressed to go out I was "asking" for it.
     
     
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simms--

You definitely have a lot of good ideas about MARTA, and I've often been dismayed by the size and brutalist grandeur of the stations, which simply kill the urban environment in many cases.

However, I disagree with you on the one point that the north connector over Georgia 400 is a waste of money. I don't have a car anymore (sold due to lack of use), and the ability to get to a diverse array of things (yes, including strip malls) car-free definitely enhances the utility of the system for me.

On the other hand, I do agree with you that Midtown and Downtown are the only real pedestrian-oriented urban areas in the city. Buckhead simply isn't for the forseeable future. But at least with improvements such as this bridge perhaps it can change for the better at some point down the road.
     
     
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Simms,

That parking lot across from Midtown MARTA is awful. It's amazing how sketchy Cypress St is next to the lot. It's surrounded by decent wealth and activity but it's a little oasis of danger.

Not sure I want a DSW on that lot though. We don't have a speck of greenspace in our neighborhood. Would like to see something that at least creates one measly pocket-park.
     
     
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