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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 12:30 AM
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A point about somebody threw down about the election and a majority government.

39.62% of the vote is not a majority. Our system is broken, or atleast well on its way to being broken, when you have 61.38% of the vote not matter when it comes to the making of our laws.

Please then, somebody explain to this "uneducated" member of the mass, how can a small group of people fudge the worlds top economy, and it's followers, and not be held accountable? If I poison somebody from the food I make, am I not held accountable? Oh wait that's right I am only a cook, and not a bean-counter.

Mind you I might as well be standing with a sign, unbathed, shouting slogans, because it seems thoughs who want accountability from those who brought us here, where 4l of Milk cost 9 bucks, are nothing but a bunch of slacks.

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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 12:39 AM
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 12:49 AM
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 12:50 AM
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probable cause

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on libel, slander, obscenity, incitement to commit a crime, etc.

shoot I can keep copying and pasting just like everybody else.

Just to flesh out the bones of contention people may have with those who are camping out on Grand Parade, from the CH

"The only municipal bylaw that appears to be on the books specifically about the Grand Parade is an ordinance passed in 1950. It prohibits people from leaving a vehicle on the Grand Parade without permission. Violators can be subject to a fine not exceeding $20 or imprisonment for a period not exceeding 10 days, said a document on the municipality’s website.

The same ordinance prohibits skateboarding as well."

Issue at hand though, any updates or news to report? Otherwise this feels like a soap box for everybody about everything...
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 3:17 AM
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There are a lot of interesting opinions being posted. One point to state though is that Canada's banking system is considered to be a model for the rest of the world. I think this is one reason that the Occupy NS demonstration isn't being taken seriously.

On the other hand, I often think that the Canadian and US stock markets are over-hyped by irresponsible stock promoters (i.e. investment experts) on TV and other media outlets. I often think that the stock market is no longer a form of investing but just gambling, or even a legalized pyramid scheme. So I have mixed feelings on all of this, but what is the solution? Neither banks nor the stock markets can be shut down; we need both.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 3:46 AM
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I tend to stay away from these kinds of debates but i would like to point out that i walked by this the other day and noticed a lot of the ''protesters'' are local recognizable homeless

Im not trying to generalize but this whole thing being in Halifax in the first place is kind of unnecessary

Its like they are all just following a trend for something to do, though i do recognize the problem in the US and such, just my opinion .
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 4:25 AM
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You sound like Boisquet.

The fact is that the issues in Canada are totally different regardless of how many times you claim otherwise. Only someone who is totally unfamiliar with the situation in the USA could make such a claim. They are screwed down there. We are not. Our system works. Theirs does not.

One has high student loan debt if one chooses to take high-cost degrees at universities and does not make plans as to how to pay for it. Missing classes to attend protests does not help in that regard as it just requires further semesters to get a degree that may ultimately not be useful. We have just landed a lucrative shipbuilding contract. A 2-year trades program at NSCC is cheap and can provide a career if someone gets a job building those ships. But that would probably be bad news for most of these folks.

Funny thing - I seem to remember a federal election just a few months ago. I also seem to recall that our current government won a majority mandate. Of course that cannot stand with the left, so they then try something like this to create a crisis and contend that the will of the people as expressed just months earlier was somehow wrong or corrupt. The left are constantly doing things like this while claiming others are anti-democratic. It reminds me of the old days of the Cold War when the most oppressive Communist regimes always called themselves the "People's Democratic Republic" of whatever. How ironic.

The only point upon which we agree is that the financial system - largely based in the US - is broken right now because the US government has abdicated any role in ensuring it works responsibly. Are the stock markets rigged? Perhaps not overtly, but the lack of control over hedge funds and the like allows artificial manipulation and lets some people benefit to a ridiculous degree at the expense of others who are of the belief the markets are honest. The world financial markets need reform and they need it now.

I would love to engage these occupy types in that, but shouting slogans that say corporations are evil and profits are bad is not the way to have a productive dialogue. Neither is harassing passersby or taking a public space for their own misguided purposes. Criticism is an insult only if it is untrue.
You saying something is a fact does not make it so. You are merely expressing your opinion.

What's not an opinion: higher education, in the demands of today's job market, is not optional. Either study, in order to compete with everyone else out there that has a degree, or be satisfied forever with a low-paying job. In Canada, you cannot independently live on a low-paying job. You used to.

While other countries invest in their labour force and fund their achievement of a higher education, Canada is expecting the highly educated but has no GI program in place for a college level education. We have socialism in our funding of junior high, yes (unlike much of the developing world), high school, yes (unlike most of the developing world), but college, no: unlike most of the industrialised world.

In Canada, either be rich enough to afford to over-priced, required schooling...or go in debt.

Canada is on parity with the USA in our manufacturing industry, our increased poverty, declining middle-class, low quality of public education, household debt, student debt, corporate welfare, corporate lobbying; we are less screwed, but still screwed nonetheless.

With the baby boomers retiring, I wonder if Canada's economy will be able to service the needed healthcare. Projections are that we will not.

You say the world markets need to be reformed? I say Canada needs to start with Canada.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 5:34 AM
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You saying something is a fact does not make it so. You are merely expressing your opinion.

What's not an opinion: higher education, in the demands of today's job market, is not optional. Either study, in order to compete with everyone else out there that has a degree, or be satisfied forever with a low-paying job. In Canada, you cannot independently live on a low-paying job. You used to.

While other countries invest in their labour force and fund their achievement of a higher education, Canada is expecting the highly educated but has no GI program in place for a college level education. We have socialism in our funding of junior high, yes (unlike much of the developing world), high school, yes (unlike most of the developing world), but college, no: unlike most of the industrialised world.

In Canada, either be rich enough to afford to over-priced, required schooling...or go in debt.

Canada is on parity with the USA in our manufacturing industry, our increased poverty, declining middle-class, low quality of public education, household debt, student debt, corporate welfare, corporate lobbying; we are less screwed, but still screwed nonetheless.

With the baby boomers retiring, I wonder if Canada's economy will be able to service the needed healthcare. Projections are that we will not.

You say the world markets need to be reformed? I say Canada needs to start with Canada.
There is some truth in some of the things you say, but the aging population aspect is a bit of malthusian hogwash. The babyboomers are richer and healthier than any generation in history and healthcare/technology isn't static.

Futhermore, Canada is pretty awesome for university in many ways. The US model of college/university? Give me a break, down there if you don't go to a top school you won't be successful. This exists to an extent in Canada, but our tuition is highly subsidized. A word of advice, don't go to university in Nova Scota. Do you know what an out of province student pays in Quebec? I'm talking like 5 grand a year, not a semester.

There is something called the C culture in europe due to the socialization of education in many countries. University is essentially free, so many students don't care about their marks. It doesn't make sense that every young person goes to college/university. If you really want to go there are cost effective ways of obtaining a BA or BSc or Bcomm for that matter... even at some top institutions.

You postulate that everybody needs to go to school as well, which is a major problem in Canada... too many people thinking that "school" is the path to success. Required schooling??? I've seen people with trades or no formal education make ridiculous sums of money in Canada due to our primary resource extraction economy.

I'm not rich by any standard and am not always working, but I'm paying for my masters and will be debt free. Plus, if I was from some target group, etc it would be even cheaper.

Nothing indicates to me that Canada is "screwed". US demand has always been our driver, but I think the BRIC is really going to change that. Look at the data yourself if you don't believe me... China only surpassed Japan's trade with Canada recently (within the last 5 or 6 years)

There are regional inequalities in Canada, but overall its likely the best country in the world in every category. The shipbuilding contract alone is massive for NS and the atlantic provinces.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 5:49 AM
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Sorry to interrupt the Occupy Debate 2011 here lol, but I figured I'd stick this in here just because. If you recall the article from about a month ago regarding the redevelopment of the former mazda/subaru dealerships on Portland Street. It seems they're holding well with their schedule, as I recall they'd mentioned they would start demo in October.. well, I drove by yesterday and half of the former subaru building was reduced to a pile of rubble. I'll zip by tomorrow on my way home from work to see the progress made in the last couple days!

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Old Posted Oct 28, 2011, 6:22 AM
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I also hate to interrupt the debate but I took some photos of the upgraded Highway 118 out by Dartmouth Crossing I thought you'd like to see;



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Sorry to interrupt the Occupy Debate 2011 here lol, but I figured I'd stick this in here just because. If you recall the article from about a month ago regarding the redevelopment of the former mazda/subaru dealerships on Portland Street. It seems they're holding well with their schedule, as I recall they'd mentioned they would start demo in October.. well, I drove by yesterday and half of the former subaru building was reduced to a pile of rubble. I'll zip by tomorrow on my way home from work to see the progress made in the last couple days!
Do you know what they plan to put in that space?
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You saying something is a fact does not make it so. You are merely expressing your opinion.

What's not an opinion: higher education, in the demands of today's job market, is not optional. Either study, in order to compete with everyone else out there that has a degree, or be satisfied forever with a low-paying job. In Canada, you cannot independently live on a low-paying job. You used to.

While other countries invest in their labour force and fund their achievement of a higher education, Canada is expecting the highly educated but has no GI program in place for a college level education. We have socialism in our funding of junior high, yes (unlike much of the developing world), high school, yes (unlike most of the developing world), but college, no: unlike most of the industrialised world.

In Canada, either be rich enough to afford to over-priced, required schooling...or go in debt.

Canada is on parity with the USA in our manufacturing industry, our increased poverty, declining middle-class, low quality of public education, household debt, student debt, corporate welfare, corporate lobbying; we are less screwed, but still screwed nonetheless.

With the baby boomers retiring, I wonder if Canada's economy will be able to service the needed healthcare. Projections are that we will not.

You say the world markets need to be reformed? I say Canada needs to start with Canada.
If 30 homeless Halifax street kids decided to occupy the tents of the Occupy NS encampment citing it is their right to protest homelessness, what would the Occupy NS protesters do? What? Are they willing to share their tents?
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2011, 12:44 AM
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Here is a photo by me of the old Blockbuster being torn down.

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Old Posted Oct 29, 2011, 3:03 AM
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Do you know what they plan to put in that space?
Portland Street plans
Chedrawe to break ground in fall for retail buildings
By CHRIS LAMBIE Business Editor
Mon, Sep 26 - 4:55 AM

DARTMOUTH — Developer Danny Chedrawe is planning a $10-million commercial project for Portland Street.

The president of Westwood Developments Ltd. expects to close a deal later this month to buy the two-hectare property that used to house Steele Auto Group’s Mazda dealership.

"We’re purchasing the former Mazda dealership and we’re building a commercial development on it," Chedrawe said.

"We’re hoping to start that in October."

Steele has already moved its Mazda dealership to its new digs on Baker Drive in Russell Lake West.

Chedrawe is planning to build two commercial buildings on the former car dealership site. One will be 6,000 square feet and the other will be twice that size.

Chedrawe wouldn’t name the two national retail tenants that will occupy the buildings.

"They have to make their own announcements. I can’t talk on their behalf."

The construction on the two buildings should be completed by next May, Chedrawe said.

Westwood Developments has several other projects on the go around the municipality. Those include a $25-million apartment building in north-end Halifax and a $10-million, four-storey office complex on Spring Garden Road that will house a TD Canada Trust branch.

The company also owns the Millstone Square Shopping Centre in Russell Lake West. That 72,000-square-foot complex is anchored by Sobeys and Kent Building Supplies.

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This development will be a nice change from the endless car dealerships on this section of Portland St.


Former Steele Mazda on Portland:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=...d=fTcRoxA6ZbYHcI8evYDIgw&cbp=12,135,,0,0
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Here's a quick video I shot on my way home from work today driving past the former dealerships site on Portland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OqRuWQe6lM

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There was an Expression of Interest in the paper today, from VIA Rail, seeking proposals for some of its train station property.
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Has anyone mentioned that they've cut windows into what used to be the Bay?
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Has anyone mentioned that they've cut windows into what used to be the Bay?
Yes, I noticed that this week and forgot to post it. Makes sense if they are going to make it into office space. I did notice that they didn't match the existing windows at the east end though - hope they change those. Hopefully they will be able to remove the unsightly graffiti vandalism from the lower exterior.
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just wondering if anyone else can't view the herald web page?
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