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Old Posted Oct 21, 2011, 2:42 PM
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Winnipeg is an exceptional circumstance with regards to IKEA because
-they supposedly were regularly the #1 city in North America for phone/online ordering, and
-they use the store as a major shipping hub owing to Winnipeg's geographically-central location

IKEA generally search for a population of +~1mil within a few hours radius of a store for their locations. I've heard buzz about one potentially on the horizon in Moncton for that reason. But it seems a little ridiculous that Halifax can support two Costcos but not IKEA.

But this is all info I came across over a year ago when searching around for apartment furnishings. The situation might have changed since.
In all fairness though there is a Costco in Medicine Hat, Alberta. Population 61,000. Drawing area around Medicine Hat is probably over 100,000. However, it doesn't really take that many people to support a Costco. An Ikea is a totally different operation.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2011, 7:28 PM
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Quebec City actually had an IKEA up until the late 80s I believe. No idea why they closed it.
Would have been too small a martket at the time. As has been mentioned, IKEA only located in metros of 1 million+. This seems to be changing as of recent though with the Winnipeg store.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2011, 8:44 PM
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Would have been too small a martket at the time. As has been mentioned, IKEA only located in metros of 1 million+. This seems to be changing as of recent though with the Winnipeg store.
I did some research and it appears it closed due to attempts to unionize the store's staff, not really due to the size of the city.

Keep in mind that Ottawa (for example) has pulled away from Quebec City in population growth in recent years, but historically they were quite a bit closer in population, and as recently as the 1970s and 1980s they were much more "of comparable size" than today.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2011, 9:13 PM
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I did some research and it appears it closed due to attempts to unionize the store's staff, not really due to the size of the city.
There's a lot of folklore surrounding this stuff. There's also a common tendency in the Maritimes to sort out bits of negative news and then view them as wider statements on the economy. Sometimes the local economy is a factor (and no doubt the bad economy in the past made Maritimers somewhat trigger shy) but there are plenty of other factors as well. And on top of all this when it comes to stories about Halifax there tends to be a huge negative bias in the rest of the region, which views economic development as a kind of zero-sum game mostly revolving around snatching government money out from under competitors. This horrible culture is perhaps my least favourite aspect of my home region.

The situation contrasts sharply with BC and Western Canada, where a positive spin is put on almost everything despite plenty of economic and other problems. Vancouver does have two IKEAs though. Maybe that explains the difference.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2011, 10:38 PM
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reallly? why is everyone still talking about ikea....just open a thread titled i want to suck ikeas balls....this is about the stadium
     
     
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Maybe we could put the Ikea IN the stadium!!!! Does that sound like good ikea?
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2011, 11:35 PM
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reallly? why is everyone still talking about ikea....just open a thread titled i want to suck ikeas balls....this is about the stadium
Seriously...there's a "HRM Retail General Updates and News" thread already...how about moving it over there....
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2011, 1:19 AM
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anyways i realize re-reading that, it might come across as homophobic or cause a problem on this site....please dont take it that way but it is a discussion about the stadium..I am straight and want to suck on the stadiums balls..trying to keep it on track especially with so much to talk about now that we have won the dnd contract.....
     
     
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Maybe we could put the Ikea IN the stadium!!!! Does that sound like good ikea?
The former Hartford Whalers' arena was in a mall, wasn't it?
     
     
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Quebec City actually had an IKEA up until the late 80s I believe. No idea why they closed it.
And Halifax had the very first IKEA store in America. I remember going to it back in the 80s. It was in Burnside.

Getting back to sports: Halifax Destroyers is actually a great name for a CFL team. I like the 'Irving Yard' name for the stadium too.
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And Halifax had the very first IKEA store in America. I remember going to it back in the 80s. It was in Burnside.

Getting back to sports: Halifax Destroyers is actually a great name for a CFL team. I like the 'Irving Yard' name for the stadium too.
The Destroyers are a good name for a football team. Hopefully ours will have better success than the Buffalo Destroyers (AFL), the Columbus Destroyers (AFL) and the Virginia Destroyers (UFL). I also like the Atlantic Armada and the Atlantic Pirates (marketing wise you can make a lot more money selling Pirate themed merchandise than naval boat themed merchandise). I do like the name 'Irving Yard' for the stadium. It is kind of like 'Camden Yards' baseball stadium in Baltimore. However if we are looking to pay for some of this stadium through selling the stadium naming rights, a company more involved in retail sports marketing might be a better choice. I would not be surprised if the stadium ends up being named Scotiabank Stadium.
     
     
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The Destroyers are a good name for a football team. Hopefully ours will have better success than the Buffalo Destroyers (AFL), the Columbus Destroyers (AFL) and the Virginia Destroyers (UFL). I also like the Atlantic Armada and the Atlantic Pirates (marketing wise you can make a lot more money selling Pirate themed merchandise than naval boat themed merchandise). I do like the name 'Irving Yard' for the stadium. It is kind of like 'Camden Yards' baseball stadium in Baltimore. However if we are looking to pay for some of this stadium through selling the stadium naming rights, a company more involved in retail sports marketing might be a better choice. I would not be surprised if the stadium ends up being named Scotiabank Stadium.
Columbus and Buffalo were Destroyers because they intended to crush the opposition. The Halifax Destroyers could not only represent a town that builds destroyers but crush the opposition as well. Irving Yard is a take on Camden Yard and even though it is associated more with baseball it may work for a general purpose stadium of 25,000 permanent seats in Halifax provided the Irvings are on board of course.
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I'm not sure if anyone posted this editorial from the Chronicle Horrible (since I despise their website redesign), but I thought I'd post it.

As for team names - I can't remember who has said it (so many posts, so little time) but the name shouldn't focus on Halifax. It should focus on Atlantic Canada - Atlantic Storm I heard? Atlantic <insert something here>. I look at it from this angle: Look at Saskatchewan's Rider nation...one team, 2 cities and a fanatical devotion to the team. Now not that I think that people in Atlantic Canada might not root for other teams, especially if they displaced from somewhere else...but if you focus the team to be Atlantic centre and not Halifax centred I really think we could create a fan base that could rival Rider Nation.

Especially if the team owner were to dedicate 1 home game a year to being in Moncton, that would really cement a maritime fan base to me. You'd still have most of your home games in Halifax at the stadium that will be built here, but have one in Moncton because the fans from NB/PEI who would travel to see the game deserve some recognition. That's part of the reason why I slant towards Shannon Park for a stadium site, I put myself in the shoes of a potential team owner and think how to maximize my exposure. So look at the number of people in a 3 to 4 hour drive and you have lots! Plus with Shannon, if you could work out some arrangement with Via Rail perhaps one or two special trains could run from Moncton right to the stadium and then in reverse after the game. Sort of a 'football express' - they have those renovated dayliners, why not?

But just imagine if we had "Atlantic Nation"...how epic some of the Rider Nation battles would be. It could be huge...that would be awesome too see!
     
     
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It's always been "The Chronically Horrid" to me and the website now lives up to that name. Just a complete miss.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2011, 3:17 PM
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I took a trip to Akron, Ohio yesterday to see a US NCAA I College football game and also to see the InfoCision Stadium. The game was between the Ohio Bobcats and Akron Zips (unfortunately the Akron Zips seldom win and the fans have started staying away in droves). One person that I know in Akron said that he is too frustrated by their play to go to the games.

I went by car, which is about a 5.5 hour drive from the western side of the GTA, but if anyone from the Halifax-area would like to visit this stadium (perhaps members of the steering committee) then it would be easy to fly to Cleveland, rent a car and drive south to nearby Akron, Ohio. The Akron Zips still have two more home games and the tickets are relatively inexpensive - http://www.gozips.com/sports/fball/2011-12/schedule .

It certainly is a beautiful stadium and the complete stadium structure cost only $61.6 million to build, including the luxury suite/classroom tower. Here is an Akron University weblink showing all the amenities that are included - http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/InfoCision .

I took about 160 pictures and posted several below.

This picture was taken while approaching the InfoCision Stadium on the luxury-suite/classroom building side of the stadium.



This building contains media space, luxury suites, 80,000 square feet of classrooms, etc. It appears to contain at least 150,000 square feet of finished space (about 400 feet long and it appears to be 7 stories tall). This alone would probably cost about $20 million to build of the $61.6 million stadium cost. Although it is impressive, it probably wouldn't be required for a Halifax stadium. The general spectator washrooms and concessions are separate from this building. It is essentially a stand-alone building with the top three levels overlooking the stadium field.



This is the luxury_suite/classroom building on the inside of the stadium (the green glass and panels). A picture doesn't do it justice, it looks even better in person. But a low-cost Halifax stadium wouldn't require such a luxurious building (it might be better to put that money towards folding seats and a modest partial roof over the stands).



InfoCision Stadium is a sunken bowl stadium, as are many stadiums. Some people like to just sit on the grassy hill at one end of the stadium. This is inside the stadium though, so they would have to pay to sit there. (ticket prices are very reasonable though, I bought a higher priced center-field seat for $20)



The next two pictures show the wheelchair accessible area. This area is raised above the lower bowl seating so that people who are in wheelchairs can see over the heads of people who are seated in the lower bowl even if those spectators are standing. Ramps aren't required to get to the wheelchair accessible area since it is at street level. There are also seats in this area for non-wheelchair guests.




This picture shows the opposite grandstand. The grandstands on the two sides of the field are almost identical in layout and amenities (the tall luxury suite building makes it appear as though one grandstand is more grand , however that is not the case. Both sides have all the necessary amenities).



The following three pictures show the grandstand concourse on the media tower/luxury suite/classroom building side. However, as shown in other pictures, the opposite grandstand has all the same amenities. This is at street level and wheelchair level - so no ramps are required to get to the concourse level which serves both the lower bowl and upper bowl. I think a great deal of thought went into making this stadium exceptional at a reasonable price.





This picture is taken from the upper tier. Even though this stadium seats over 27,000 spectators, all seats have a great view of the field. The brick building at the end of the stadium contains the changerooms and other amenities for the Akron Zips. The visitor player changeroom is under a grandstand concourse which is accessed from the vehicle ramp. To save on cost, a Halifax stadium could have all changerooms and referee rooms under the concourse on one side of the stadium (it would save building a separate brick building in the endzone area).




This is a close-up of the media tower/luxury suite/classroom building. The upper 3 levels of this 7 story building are reserved for stadium use. The other 4 levels contain 80,000 square feet of classroom space. This building, although overlooking the field, appears to be built to be a free-standing, auxiliary building.



This picture is taken from above the Akron Zips changeroom/office building in back of the endzone.



The lower level has 21 rows plus the elevated wheelchair accessible row. This lower level isn't much more complex than the SMU stadium design. However, hopefully the Akron Stadium was built with a more solid foundation than the SMU Stadium.



This is the grandstand on the opposite side from the media/classroom tower. Even if Halifax just built two grandstands like this, without the luxury suite/classroom tower, the municipality would have a great stadium at a low cost (I think it could be built for $60 million including land and some parking if the tower was excluded, and maybe even have 20,000 folding seats and a modest partial roof).






There are player changerooms under the concourse which are accessed through the vehicle ramp.

This is directly next to the vehicle ramp.




Even though this is a low cost stadium, it is nicely landscaped and the exterior brick detail makes it a very appealing stadium. It would look good anywhere in the Halifax-area. It is not surprising that it turned out so well - the architectural firm that designed it was HNTB which has designed several major league, minor league and college stadiums - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNTB




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Fenwick, amazing pictures!!!
Thanks for taking the trip to see this stadium. This is really a perfect model for Halifax to use. I really hope the Stadium Committee and Councillours see these pictures and what could be built in a $60 million dollar range. Maybe Downtown Dawn could pass this along (or email the photos to her).

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These photos really show the potential for expansion at this stadium. They also sort of look like the Gorsebrook field next to SMU.





It's great to see how the stands look from the backside. Fairly basic but still give the impression of a substantial stadium.




Great shot that shows how the lack of a track really makes a stadium this size more intimate.
What did u think about the bench seating there?
     
     
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Fenwick, amazing pictures!!!
Thanks for taking the trip to see this stadium. This is really a perfect model for Halifax to use. I really hope the Stadium Committee and Councillours see these pictures and what could be built in a $60 million dollar range. Maybe Downtown Dawn could pass this along (or email the photos to her).
I enjoyed my trip.

I can send a link of this skyscraperpage section to all the Councillors.
     
     
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Well, it's made of red brick and could easily be made to look faux-Victorian with some styrofoam cornices, so HRM should love it.

Of course, here it would probably be built out of structural concrete block for budget reasons, and end up looking like the Common washroom building.
     
     
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The stadium structure and layout seem very good, but the architecture is just plain ugly.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2011, 5:58 PM
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Great pictures. Thanks for going down to Ohio and getting these pictures. It looks like a great, sensible stadium that works very well within the economics of the CFL. A stadium this nice for $60+ million makes me wonder why other CFL cities are spending so much money for their new stadiums. Winnipeg is spending $190 million, Hamilton $152 million and Regina $500-600 million. Are construction costs so much higher here than they are in the states that a new 25,000 seat stadium is going to cost $150-200 million? I think not. A stadium like this is just perfect for the CFL. Maybe spend another $10 million for individual seats instead of all benches (benches would work just fine in the cheaper end zone seats), and you have a great stadium for just $75 million. For the life of me I can't figure out why other CFL cities are spending so much. Halifax seems to be the only city that understands that fans are going to start staying away in droves if decent tickets to a CFL game are going to start costing $80-90. They have to pay for these new palaces one way or another, and higher ticket prices (and higher taxes) are the main way.
Thanks again for the pictures.
     
     
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