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Old Posted Oct 14, 2011, 2:54 PM
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You can see some of the residue from the storage shed on the left. I had hoped this shed would be torn town, but I didn't realize the difference it makes until now.
Agreed, significant improvement!
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2011, 11:58 PM
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Rumour on the street is that the refinery's been sold.
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Well, that would be... significant.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2011, 10:21 AM
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Rumour on the street is that the refinery's been sold.
I am assuming the little faces indicate that you are joking?

The rumor I hear is that as the euro zone looks to forgive Greece and begin to stabilize global markets that the second refinery is becoming likely again.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2011, 1:07 PM
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I am assuming the little faces indicate that you are joking?
I wasn't joking. Legitimate rumour. Apparently bought by an American company, for what it's worth.

In truth, global markets aren't going to be stabilized for quite some time. I'm not exactly holding my breath for a second refinery at this point.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2011, 5:31 PM
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Didn't we have this discussion about Irving almost a year ago...from it being Irving Oil as a whole being sold to just the refinery. Deja Vu all over again.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=120401&page=282

I do remember last year that I heard the rumours from the sale here and also from indivuduals who worked at the refinery, and of course Irving came along and said its all not true. But we all know what truth means with them
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2011, 8:17 PM
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I wasn't joking. Legitimate rumour. Apparently bought by an American company, for what it's worth.

In truth, global markets aren't going to be stabilized for quite some time. I'm not exactly holding my breath for a second refinery at this point.
Can a rumor be legitimate by definition?

On a serious note that would be interesting but we shall see if there is any truth to it.

Hmm, interesting take on the market. Things were coming along nicely prior to the Greece fiasco. It appears this will be resolved shortly which most folks expect will get the market headed in the right direction again. What scares you?
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2011, 3:03 AM
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What scares you?
Italy, Spain, Ireland. That coupled with the fact that the Germans and French are getting tired of supporting other countries on their own. Of course, all of the banks crashing in Europe right now are French and German.

On a serious note, this is a Saint John thread, not European political economy.

Harbour Bridge construction still ongoing, tolls are gone, Palais de Vengeance being built, Pugsley sheds removed, etc. etc.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2011, 12:59 PM
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On a serious note, this is a Saint John thread, not European political economy.

Agreed. As I mentioned, the rumors are getting stronger that a second refinery is becoming likely with global markets improving.

Interesting article in the paper this weekend on the potential Naval contracts for Halifax as well. Lists the project as a "game changer" for the entire region with Halifax of course seeing the most significant boost, followed by Saint John.

Hopefully Halifax is successful.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2011, 1:37 PM
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From the Globe and Mail, great to see NB being viewed in such a positive lite!!

There are already rumors of a number of spinoff start ups in Saint John.


Gerry Pond worked 38 years for New Brunswick’s phone company, rising to the president’s office and to paycheques of hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

But a decade after leaving, he figures that as an investor, he has made more money this year from just one deal than from his entire career with NBTel. It’s because he took a bet on a Fredericton university dropout named Chris Newton.

The windfall is one ripple from the spectacular sale of two tech startups that the 39-year-old Mr. Newton founded – and the 67-year-old Mr. Pond helped fund and nurture. The deals, for Radian6 Technologies and Q1 Labs, are transforming the image of New Brunswick from a have-not province dominated by pulp, petroleum and potato barons to an innovation hotbed populated by smart young techies and risk-embracing investors.

Mr. Pond isn’t the only person in New Brunswick cashing in on Mr. Newton’s fertile mind. It is estimated as many as 50 millionaires will have been created, or further enriched, out of the nearly $1-billion proceeds from the two exit deals with corporate buyers.

It means more Porsches in civil-service-sleepy Fredericton, more mansions in Saint John’s affluent bedroom of Rothesay, more fishing camps on the Miramichi – but the most valuable offshoot is an explosion of potential seed capital with which to write the next big chapter in New Brunswick technology.

Even after the two big wins of 2011, “I can assure you that there will be a third and a fourth of global scale,” predicts Mr. Pond, who has 12 more firms in his stable of startups, where investments of money and guidance have made him the godfather of the burgeoning tech community.

“I’m hoping that some of this passion for startups has rubbed off,” says Mr. Newton, who continues to work at Radian6 in Fredericton – under new owner Salesforce.com of San Francisco – while acknowledging an ambition to become an influential angel investor like Mr. Pond.

For Mr. Pond, chairman of high-tech incubator Mariner Partners Inc., of Saint John, the game has never been just about money, but building innovation in his home province. For decades, New Brunswick, population 750,000, has been striving to shed its image as a hewer of natural resources, embarking on get-rich schemes like the Bricklin sports-car fiasco of the 1970s and evolving, more recently, into a low-cost call-centre hub. Now it has planted the seed of a knowledge economy built on the Silicon Valley and Waterloo, Ont., models.

The idea is to invest a little money in a lot of ventures, in the hope of one big score that would truly change the game. Incredibly, New Brunswick has landed two game-changers in six months.

“This would have a big impact anywhere, but especially in a province that is trying to diversify its economy – which needs more drivers than just natural resources,” Mr. Pond says.

The story starts two decades ago at the University of New Brunswick, where Mr. Newton was enrolled as a bright computer science student, working full-time for the university’s IT department while taking classes.

The university’s networks were under constant attack by outside threats, so Mr. Newton came up with software that helped track the incursions. The university supported his efforts to turn the concept into a company, Q1 Labs. Soon, he had no time for classes and quit to build a team and attract investor-mentors like Saint John’s Brian Flood and, through him, Mr. Pond.

As Q1 grew beyond its entrepreneurial roots, a new management team came in and the company moved its head office to Boston, while retaining an R&D lab in Fredericton. Still a shareholder, Mr. Newton looked around for his next gig, and focused on cloud computing and the booming area of social media.

He started working on technology that would allow clients to monitor what was being said about them in social media. Mr. Pond, along with a raft of venture capitalists, backed the concept that became Radian6. After five years of existence, it was acquired in March by Salesforce.com for $276-million in cash and $50-million in stock. Mr. Pond says that deal alone produced a payday that eclipsed his NBTel career earnings.

And it was just the beginning. This month, IBM announced it is buying Q1 Labs, now 10 years old. IBM did not disclose a price, but the deal is bigger than the one involving Radian6.

Mr. Newton has a talent for collaboration, says Calvin Milbury, chief executive of the New Brunswick Innovation Foundation, a provincially funded agency that backed Radian6 in its early days. “One of the neat things about him is he sees he can’t do it alone. His predisposition is to engage others in the process of creating the company. That’s unlike a lot of other entrepreneurs who strive to do it all on their own.”

Mr. Milbury’s enthusiasm reflects the fact that his organization scored big-time by believing in Mr. Newton. In 2006, it provided $50,000 in seed money to Radian6, and followed up two years later with $277,000. In the Salesforce deal this year, it walked away with a return of $9.25-million, which translates into 28 times its original investment.

With this new generation of young tycoons, New Brunswick’s moneyed class might finally shrug off its historical tendency for understatement. The credo has been to own expensive but not flashy cars, respectable but not magnificent mansions. Indeed, Mr. Newton says he doesn’t care a lot about possessions, much in the tradition of his elders.

But he admits to one weakness – sports cars. He has invested in a Porsche 911 Turbo, fulfilling a dream. “I never presumed I would be in position to own one,” he marvels.

Now, its presence on Fredericton’s quiet streets will give the next wave of entrepreneurs something to shoot for.
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Province supports new Saint John YMCA
17 October 2011


SAINT JOHN (CNB) – The provincial government is providing a parcel of land and funding for design work toward the development of a new YMCA in Saint John.

Social Development Minister Sue Stultz and Wellness, Culture and Sport Minister Trevor Holder made the announcement today.

"I am pleased we were able to work with the Saint John YMCA to transfer the land which will become a valuable community asset in Crescent Valley," said Stultz. "It will help meet our goal of revitalizing this neighbourhood to make it a community where residents can live, work and play."

The 1.36 hectare (3.4 acre) parcel of land is located on the north side of Churchill Boulevard in Crescent Valley. The land will be sold for $1 to the YMCA and used for their future development plans. The Department of Social Development recently signed a land transfer agreement with the Saint John YMCA.

"Empowering New Brunswickers to live more actively is vital to growing healthier communities and a stronger province," said Holder. "Our government's participation in the Saint John Y is an investment in the wellness of the city and region, now and in the future."

Holder spoke on behalf of Economic Development Minister Paul Robichaud.

The Regional Development Corporation will provide $300,000 towards design costs of the proposed 6,410 sq. metre (69,000 sq. ft.) facility, which will include a gymnasium, walking track, fitness centre, fitness studio, 25-metre leisure pool, whirlpool, locker rooms, preschool centre, day care area, after school rooms, classrooms, computer lab, meeting rooms, administration space and a cafe.

"We are very thankful to the Province of New Brunswick for transferring the land for the future site of our Saint John Y, and for providing the funds so we can begin the important design work phase," said Shilo Boucher, acting chief executive officer of the Saint John Y. "We are excited about the new location and the opportunity to build a fully-accessible facility that will meet the current and future needs of the community."

The 20-year redevelopment plan for Crescent Valley addresses the issue of social isolation by changing the neighbourhood into a mixed-income community that targets a diverse population. Green spaces and structured areas are included to encourage active living and to promote a sense of belonging and ownership for the residents.

The plan for Crescent Valley recommends a five-phase approach with emphasis on sustainable development; proper land use; environmental sensitivity; adequate infrastructure; and social and economic development.

17-10-11
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2011, 2:08 PM
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Cool news on the YMCA, any idea where that parcel of land is? There are certainly spots in that neighborhood which would be an awful location for the Y.
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Old Posted Oct 17, 2011, 2:49 PM
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Cool news on the YMCA, any idea where that parcel of land is? There are certainly spots in that neighborhood which would be an awful location for the Y.
It's in the location where they tore down buildings a year or so ago. At least, that's from what I gather. So, between the Rifle Range and Somerset Street, on Churchill Boulevard.

From what I can see:

Pros: Accessible. (Hopefully) plenty of parking. New facility.
Cons: Ghetto. (Although, in truth, if you're putting a multi-mullion dollar facility in the Crescent Valley, this is probably the best spot)

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From what I can see:

Pros: Accessible. (Hopefully) plenty of parking. New facility.
Cons: Ghetto. (Although, in truth, if you're putting a multi-mullion dollar facility in the Crescent Valley, this is probably the best spot)
One could make the argument that a "ghetto" is an ideal place for something like a YMCA.

...I just hope it doesn't wind up vandalized on a daily basis.
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The placement is good and bad IMO. On one hand it is out of the Uptown core, which means a bunch of extra car traffic from business people heading to and fro during the day, which means it will also have too much surface parking around the building. And I was hoping for another new building Uptown, but at least this leaves more room for residential or office development on the peninsula. On the plus side it is walkable from the North End, Portland Place and Crescent Valley which will be a huge plus for those neighbourhoods. They already have a couple accessible grocery stores, a rink, other shopping, some new offices, and together with the new Y this will be a very attractive area of the city, which fits in well with PlanSJ's goal of fostering growth along the corridor between Uptown and the University/Hospital area.

So while I wanted a nice new waterfront location, I think there are a lot of positives to this new location, and hopefully we'll see some renderings soon!
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One could make the argument that a "ghetto" is an ideal place for something like a YMCA.

...I just hope it doesn't wind up vandalized on a daily basis.
That's a good point, but how many people from the boulevards are honestly going to be using the Y on a daily basis?

I just hope it doesn't get burnt down during construction like the police outreach centre on Victoria was a few years back.

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So while I wanted a nice new waterfront location, I think there are a lot of positives to this new location, and hopefully we'll see some renderings soon!
Nothing against waterfront development, but I think the Y is better suited to central locations. Residential and commercial properties are better suited to waterfront, imo.

And:

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That's a good point, but how many people from the boulevards are honestly going to be using the Y on a daily basis?

I just hope it doesn't get burnt down during construction like the police outreach centre on Victoria was a few years back.



Nothing against waterfront development, but I think the Y is better suited to central locations. Residential and commercial properties are better suited to waterfront, imo.

And:

I agree, but I was hoping for something like Halifax's proposed new Y that would see a mix of uses and a residential tower as part of the development. It would have also been nice to see it as the "topper" for the new parking garage's podium.

But like I said, I see a lot of advantages to this location too, so I won't complain
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But like I said, I see a lot of advantages to this location too, so I won't complain
I have the same feelings, it is not the perfect location but I think it will be very good. You have the opportunity to see a lot of different income brackets using the same facility which I believe is good for the community as a whole.

Any ETA on a groundbreaking?
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The refinery HAS NOT been sold. There are NO PLANS to sell refinery and there are no plans for the second refinery to proceed. Please, no rumours!!!! They are not true and they are frustrating when they resurface because it causes unnecessary concern / stress on the workers and their families that earn a living at the refinery. I don't care if you heard it from a good friend of a friend who works for there - IT IS NOT TRUE
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Any ETA on a groundbreaking?
Haven't seen one, but according to CHSJ News..

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The Y will be ramping up its fundraising efforts for the 20-million dollar building, with an opening date planned for January of 2014.
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