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Old Posted Oct 13, 2011, 12:54 PM
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At this rate it is only a matter of time before the whole City of Moncton moves itself north of the TCH
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At this rate it is only a matter of time before the whole City of Moncton moves itself north of the TCH
It's rather sad really. I distinctly remember several years ago a statement by a city official, when they were first talking about the "vision lands" project, about the importance of containing growth to the south side of the TCH. Despite this, there is worsening sprawl creeping to the north, especially around the Gorge Road and Elmwood Drive areas.

Around Gorge/Magnetic Hill you have the Mountain Woods subdivision, Crandall University, the Magnetic Hill Zoo, Concert Site and Golf Course as well as the Magic Mountain Water Park.

Along Elmwood (north of the TCH) you have Caledonia Industrial Park, the Pine Acres minihome development (which is quite large) and the Royal Oaks Golf Course and subdivision. Soon there will be a new high school in the neighbourhood which will spur even more development.

Finally, the northwest end of the city is bounded by the abomination of the disgustingly large Rural Estates subdivision, with average lot sizes of 2-3 acres. The houses are so far apart they all have individual wells and the subdivision roads are all rutted and without curbs and are bounded by drainage ditches. Talk about an unsustainable model for urban growth!!!!

The net result of all this is needless sprawl!!

Now, I'm personally a suburbanite and I like my double lot but almost all my neighbours have single lots and my subdivision has at least moderate density which contributes to a sense of urbanity. I can walk to some neighbourhood services and restaurants. The northwest end where I live has been infilling for the last 20 years and this is a good thing.

Developments north of the TCH however are linear and do not contribute to infill. Rural Estates will never have the density necessary to build a sense of community. The car culture will reign supreme!

Before additional development occurs north of the TCH, more should be done to promote infill to the south, especially in and around the "Vision Lands". Mistakes like the Rural Estates subdivision should never be allowed to happen again.

Dense urban environments (even in the absence of highrises) are more economically sustainable and efficient. We need more of this in Moncton.
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It is my opinion that the Caledonia Industrial Park is the main driving force for development north of the TCH (large labour force). If I worked there, I would live out Elmwood Drive.
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Granted, and I can see this but if development does occur north of the TCH, it should at least be contiguous to existing built up areas. Royal Oaks is at least 3km beyond the TCH and there is lots of underdeveloped land in between.

At least along Gorge, the Mountain Woods subdivision is near the TCH and immediately across the street from Crandall University. That's not nearly so bad.

My biggest hate-on is for Rural Estates. I really dislike that development!!
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Granted, and I can see this but if development does occur north of the TCH, it should at least be contiguous to existing built up areas. Royal Oaks is at least 3km beyond the TCH and there is lots of underdeveloped land in between.

At least along Gorge, the Mountain Woods subdivision is near the TCH and immediately across the street from Crandall University. That's not nearly so bad.

My biggest hate-on is for Rural Estates. I really dislike that development!!
We have several developments like that in SJ from the past 10-20 years, a practice that is only now being stopped by the city. Has Moncton ever mentioned doing anything like having large minimum lot sizes in rural areas of the city? For example if you make the minimum lot size something like 15 acres then that means you can't build any sort of sprawling subdivision because lots that large essentially only allow for the very occasional single family home along existing roads.
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A friend of mine lives on Timberline Road (at the top of Lutes Mountain) and they have a spectacular view of the city lights at night from that elevation. There are a number of $1M homes up there. Anyway, my friend told me there was a plan to extend the subdivision further along the ridge with the average lot size for the subdivision being around 2-3 acres (think Rural Estates with a view ). The city came back stating that since the area was unserviced, the lot size would have to be 12-15 acres. That put the kibosh to that idea pretty quickly.

This could be similar to what happened in SJ. I think this proposal happened some time after the Rural Estates fiasco and perhaps the city didn't want to repeat the same mistake again.......
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Abridged from today's T&T

Moncton passes capital works budget
Published Thursday October 13th, 2011

Events centre, police station upgrade, roundabout are hot topics
BY BRENT MAZEROLLE
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Moncton city council has approved a $38-million capital works budget for 2012 that includes money to potentially start two major municipal projects - a downtown events centre and an expansion to the police station.

The budget also has money to complete a much smaller project long delayed, a traffic roundabout that would link Russ Howard Drive from the CN Sportsplex lands to the web of intersections at Killam, Collishaw, Purdy, and Waverley Streets.

The municipal taxes of Moncton residents will actually only be committed to about $23 million of that $38 million, as the rest will come back to the city through various cost-sharing programs with the provincial and federal governments.

For those in need of a refresher course in municipal capital works budgeting, approving the budget last night meant only that council has approved approaching the province's municipal capital borrowing board for a certain amount of money to pursue certain project goals.

They are not committed in anything more than principle to any of the dozens of projects they approved until the day comes when they vote on each eventual contract.

Ahead of this year's budget process, council had instructed staff to come up with a budget within the $38 million they had projected for 2012 when they were doing the 2011 budget a year ago.

To accommodate among other things the expenses of upgrading Ryan Road, something that suddenly became urgent a few years ago with the province's decision to build Northrop Frye School on the sub-par roadway, city staff recommended delaying the Killam roundabout until 2017, on the assumption it was less urgent than many other city projects.

"We'd like to get that roundabout in," city engineer Jack MacDonald told council, "but with kids walking on Ryan Road..."

That wasn't good enough for many councillors, who noted the roundabout has already been delayed six years by the need to divert funds to other major projects like Mapleton Road and the Vaughan Harvey/Assumption Boulevard extensions.

Expressing frustration that the provincial government has again left the city with another urgent project looming, the need to upgrade Elmwood Drive in light of the recent provincial decision to build the new Moncton High School at Royal Oaks, councillors nevertheless wanted to forge ahead with one of their plans instead of always reacting to ones thrust upon them, as Deputy Mayor Kathryn Barnes put it.

"It really irks me we can't do the things we want to do," she said, supporting her Ward 3 colleague Daniel Bourgeois' assertion it was time to deliver on the roundabout.

Ward 3's Brian Hicks, who said his daily travels on the Horsman Road roundabout have converted him after he initially opposed the one proposed for Killam, joined in support, as did Ward 2's Merrill Henderson.

"We created an expectation we were going to do this," he said, referring to the public consultations on the roundabout the city held a half-dozen years ago and arguing it was time to move.

Council ultimately voted in support of amending the budget to include the roundabout, with dissenting votes from Mayor George LeBlanc, who noted adding the item flew in the face of the directions staff was given to work within a set dollar value, and from Ward 4 councillor Paul Pellerin.

There was less talk than some might have expected about financing a new downtown events centre with its estimated $104-million price tag, but it's not surprising if you remember the $2 million set aside in the 2012 capital works budget and the roughly $48 million and $50 million pencilled into the five-year projections for 2013 and 2014 is all moot if the city doesn't get the financial support it needs from the federal and provincial governments.

City manager Jacques Dubé reminded council and the public that the $2 million set aside for 2012 may not actually get spent, but getting the borrowing authority in place would give the city money for planning and land acquisition should a funding application to the federal government be approved.

Another discussion council and city staff will soon be having with the Codiac Regional Policing Authority is how best to deal with the inadequate facilities at the city's police station. As has been the case for years now, the question of who will police the city after the RCMP contract expires next March has complicated matters, but everyone seems to agree the building needs work no matter which police use it.

There's only $500,000 in the 2012 budget, but another $17.5 million is pencilled in for 2013 and 2014.

Assistant city manager Don MacLellan has been the lead on the police station file and he told council, "staff is optimistic the cost sharing (the sticking point in Moncton's negotiations over whether to keep the RCMP or not) will come... and then we will immediately turn our attention to the building."

The city's plans were clarified a bit last night. It would likely expand and renovate the existing police station at 520 Main rather than build a whole new facility, if for no other reason, the city would be stuck with the current building after a new one was built.

"It really is a single purpose building," Jacques Dubé said, noting among other things that a basement full of jail cells was not exactly an attractive real estate feature.

"It would be very difficult to put it on the market."

Instead, the city and its police should probably expect a modernized facility built out of the existing one, with an extra story added and possible outward expansion as well.

personal notes:
- It's good to see that the council is taking the next step with the events centre. If federal and provincial funding comes through, it's good to be prepared.
- It's also good to see that the roundabout at Collishaw, connecting to Russ Howard will finally move ahead. This should make quite a difference to traffic flow in this part of the city and will certainly improve access to the 4-Ice Centre.
- I'm a little disappointed that they are only thinking of renovating and expanding the current Codiac RCMP HQ rather than building a new one. Another new government building on Assomption would have made a great visual impact for the riverfront facade of the city. I understand their rationale though.....
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I'm sure they're understandably antsy because of the controversy with the new police headquarters in Saint John.

Putting another floor on the building is the kind of suggestion that people make that always leaves me scratching my head. Unless the building was originally designed to carry more weight, there's no point in trying to upgrade the whole thing. Not to mention the cost of new elevators, reconfiguring staircases, improving utilities and services, etc. You'd better off just adding a big addition off to one side. Mind you, the building may very well have been built with verticality in mind. I sincerely doubt it though.
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from today's T&T

Historic home finds a new lease on life
Published Friday October 14th, 2011

Developer restoring 131-year-old downtown house
By Craig Babstock
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Developer Thierry Le Bouthillier says it may cost more to restore an old property instead of tearing it down to build a new one, but he thinks it's worth it.


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Thierry Le Bouthillier is restoring this former home built for a railroad executive in the late 1800s at the corner of Archibald and Queen Streets in downtown Moncton.

"It's a passion," says the head of Groupe Le Bouthillier, talking outside his company's latest project at 201 Queen Street. "This is located downtown, so it has to be restored to preserve it."

Le Bouthillier has restored other properties in the city, including one at 45 Elmwood Drive in Sunny Brae. That building was erected in 1912 and condemned because of its condition but Le Bouthillier saw promise, purchased it and restored it last year. It was transformed into three executive suites plus office space under the brand My Studio Moncton, with the slogan, Urban Living Made Simple.

"We made something better out of it," he says.

Now he's turned his attention to 201 Queen Street, which was built in 1880 by CNR as a home for an executive and his family. The structure, located at the northeast corner of Queen and Archibald Streets, has been several things over the years, including a residence and bed and breakfast, and now it's the latest My Studio Moncton project.

Le Bouthillier just took ownership of the property a week ago and workers have spent the last few days starting the restoration. The outside of the building, which includes a circular turret on one of the corners, will be restored as closely to the original colours and design as possible. The inside will be modernized, though original components will be incorporated into that design where possible.

The work should be finished in January and result in four furnished executive suites targeting corporate executives, who can rent the space for various lengths of time, depending on their needs.

The building is not designated a heritage property, so Le Bouthillier is under no obligation to maintain its original characteristics, but he says his heart is in the project, which he expects will cost more than $400,000 including purchase price. He believes the city and its residents appreciate it any time a piece of the city's heritage can be restored.

Moncton Coun. Paulette Theriault, council's liaison with the Moncton Heritage Preservation Review Board, is delighted to hear another old building is being restored.

"That's wonderful," she says. "It's preserving our heritage, our culture and it's about telling our story as a city."

Theriault says this seems to be a trend in the community.

"When I drive around, lately, I see a lot more people are renovating, revitalizing and preserving older buildings and that's a good thing," she says. "When you visit cities and towns, you look for culture and history, and by destroying these buildings, you destroy a page of our culture.

"When you travel to Europe, that's what makes it special. They don't tear down a building because it's 300 years old."

Developer Bob Holmes, whose projects include restoring the Albion Block on Main Street, is currently in talks with Le Bouthillier about working on a project together. He says keeping the city's heritage intact is a good thing when it comes to development. He adds that once an old building is torn down, the character is gone.

"You can't replace that character," he says.

Holmes likens restoring an old building to doing a heart transplant. You revitalize the interior while maintaining the exterior.

Holmes also owns the property on Main Street where the former Dewey building stood before a biker burned it down in August 2000.

"We'd like to get something going there as soon as possible but I don't see anything happening until the spring," he says.

personal note - this is all good stuff. I'm all in favour of restoring quality buildings in the downtown as long as it doesn't interfere with larger developments. It helps to build the character of the community. The last several paragraphs are an interesting tidbit. It sounds as if LeBouthillier and Holmes are planning on something new for the old Dewey Building location with construction to start perhaps next year. It would be great to fill up that hole on Main Street!
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Traffic lights at Evergreen and Mountain are now turned on and are in flash mode. I assume they will be controlling the intersection very soon. I must say that can't happen soon enough! That place is a major accident just waiting to happen now that Second Cup is open. The traffic turning in and out of there is insane. In my opinion the city should have had this all completed well in advance of the coffee shop opening. I just hope it's done by the time the new Swiss Chalet is up and running.
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ING Direct is setting up their new call center in the Terminal Plaza building (the smaller of the former CN buildings). Crombies site states they will occupy 14,386 sq ft. The entire 6th floor and 1/2 of the 7th floor! This is great news for downtown and also our office vacancy rate, which has been on a steady decline as of late and this will help it continue in that direction.

If you drive by at night you can see they are working away painting the walls bright orange.

I'm hoping this will mean a nice new ING sign on the building, the way Asurion used to have on there before they moved to the Emmerson Park.
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Yes, a nice shiny ING Direct sign at the top of the Terminal Plaza building would look quite nice. It certainly is good to see the progressive decline in the office vacancy rate. This might auger well for the rumoured office building at the corner of Vaughan Harvey and Assomption.

I was out and about today and decided to snap a picture of the Empire Theatres expansion at Crystal Palace. I decided on a distance shot rather than a close-up just to show that it will be a significant new contribution to the overall footprint of the building. You can also appreciate the progress being made on repaving the Champlain Place parking lot. There is still much work to do but you can tell that the lot will no longer resemble no-mans-land at the Battle of the Somme....

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A friend of mine lives on Timberline Road (at the top of Lutes Mountain) and they have a spectacular view of the city lights at night from that elevation. There are a number of $1M homes up there. Anyway, my friend told me there was a plan to extend the subdivision further along the ridge with the average lot size for the subdivision being around 2-3 acres (think Rural Estates with a view ). The city came back stating that since the area was unserviced, the lot size would have to be 12-15 acres. That put the kibosh to that idea pretty quickly.

This could be similar to what happened in SJ. I think this proposal happened some time after the Rural Estates fiasco and perhaps the city didn't want to repeat the same mistake again.......
This is the development my uncle is involved in. It is moving very slow. Get this tho, they approached the city about amalgamating their land into the City but the City doesn't want to. Without this, they are forced to have big lot sizes. I couldn't believe you are actually not allowed to have small lots.
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Wow, that's a pretty significant expansion for Empire Theaters. Looks like it's going to be really close to the highway. Too bad the expansion isn't towards the mall, would've closed half the distance for that fabled future connection and perhaps created a better incentive to do it.

Nice 5 series btw.
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How do you know the other car isn't mine?

But yes, a BMW 550i X-drive with the M Sport package.....
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Wow, that's a pretty significant expansion for Empire Theaters. Looks like it's going to be really close to the highway. Too bad the expansion isn't towards the mall, would've closed half the distance for that fabled future connection and perhaps created a better incentive to do it.
I agree that it would be amazing for them to connect the mall (urban planet hallway) to Crystal Palace. What would be really cool is if they connected it but kept the ability to drive through from one side to the other in front of Chapters...perhaps a hallway almost to CP, then a pedway (with escalators on either side) to enter CP. That would be a way to keep the ability to drive around the mall, and connect the two structures.

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Nice BMW MonctonRad! I would give my right foot for an M3 (although it would create significant difficulty while driving it).

Couple things:

1. If you would re-take that exact same shot of Empire Theaters right now you would notice they have since added the distinct makeup of an entrance on that side of the building. They have added tall columns (at least 10ft taller than the tallest part of the new section) I am assuming to support a new facade structure (as shown in the examples I pulled up). They also added a rounded awning structure which I assume will be over the entrance doors. It already looks quite appealing and its just bare steel!

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I had heard that it was going to be Miller Tirecraft.
Turns out you are correct, they put the signs up today on the old Moncton Mitsubishi.

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At this rate it is only a matter of time before the whole City of Moncton moves itself north of the TCH
While there is signifigant development north of the TCH there is also hope for the interior as signifigant infill housing projects are in the works such as:


Franklin Crossing (former rail land next to Centennial Park, 5~ rowhouses and a dozen or so semi detached in the last couple years). In this shot it is the vacant strip of land to the far right. This shot is before the current housing development started of course.

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The "Vision Lands" development which is getting underway as we speak. A new road is being carved and all that good stuff.

This is really the last major swath of vacant land in the city inside the TCH.

This is an image of the location of "Phase 1" the entire development is much larger of course.


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