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Old Posted Oct 8, 2011, 9:01 PM
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Shannon Park is a great location. It could be an amazing place for a Stadium and sports in general.

Also a good place for the Trade Centre.

I wonder if these two projects could be combined?
What?

The convention centre is going downtown. It's a done deal.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2011, 9:06 PM
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I went to Ivor Wynne Stadium last night to see the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Winnipeg Blue Bombers. I really enjoyed the experience, partly because I really like the city of Hamilton (I lived there for about 5 years). Ivor Wynne is an urban stadium that is surrounded by a residential neighbourhood and is close to the built up downtown area. Here is the Google Map link - http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=Ivor+Wynne+...Balsam+Ave+N,+Hamilton,+Ontario&t=h&z=17. The completely new Ivor Wynne stadium will be built at the same location (but I think that it will be rotated 90° and the adjacent field will be incorporated into it).

I thought that getting a parking spot would be difficult but in fact there were lots of spots close to the stadium. Most of the surrounding streets allow street parking so I was able to get a parking spot 3 blocks from the stadium, for free. Driving out of my parking spot after the game took about 10 seconds (a couple of weeks ago, it took me about 2 hours to get out of one of the large Ralph Wilson Stadium parking lots in Orchard Park, NY).

I took several pictures. The picture below is outside the south stand. There is nothing extraordinary about this stadium but it is now one of my favourites. BMO Field and Ralph Wilson Stadium near Buffalo share the simplicity of the Ivor Wynne Stadium and these are the ones that I enjoyed the most.


The following two images were taken inside the stadium under the south stands. Being at a Hamilton game feels like going to a county fair - it is very enjoyable on a pleasant day, much more than it would be in an enclosed stadium (I had the same impression of Ralph Wilson Stadium and BMO Field).




At Ivor Wynne Stadium, you can go right up to the field during warm-up prior to the game; in this image a few Blue Bomber players are getting some pre-game warm-up. Once inside the stadium, I started wondering why Halifax didn't just set up some stands about 30 years ago for a CFL team (it wouldn't have been that much different than Ivor Wynne Stadium).


This is taken from my seat (or bench spot) in the North Stand. Spectators seem to prefer the North Stand, maybe because it is newer and better equipped with washrooms and concessions. (I think that it was built about 40 years ago but I might be wrong). There was a fairly good turnout at 23,268 attendance which sounds right. (my picture was taken well before the game began since I got there early)


As was the case at BMO Field and Ralph Wilson Stadium there are many open areas within the stadium confines where people can go out in the fresh air. This is a big plus on a pleasant day.



All in all it was a great experience. Honestly speaking, the CFL isn't at the same talent level as the NFL, however, it is Canada's league with a long history so it is still a league that is worth supporting. I just hope that if Halifax does build a stadium that it will be built simply and inexpensively so that it won't be a tax burden for residents but that it will be suitable to attract a CFL team.
Great pictures Fenwick, its great to see these venues close up. I agree completely after looking at your pictures that the stadium needs to be simple but still suitable for the CFL. Many other Canadian CFL teams have survived for decades in fairly basic (and old) stadium designs that seem to do the trick. They also seem like they provide some great football atmospheres as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2011, 3:36 PM
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There was the following public notice in the Chronicle Herald today - http://www.hrmstadium.ca/?page_id=6 . It is good to see that the HRM is actively advertising the public sessions. I hope that there will be a good turn-out of supporters.

It is encouraging to see the public consultations scheduled so soon after awarding the phase 2 contract. In the end, Halifax-area residents will decide whether they want to take a chance on a stadium which might or might not lose money each year. I think that a sensibly priced stadium is worthwhile and might break-even if it can attract a CFL team (if it is large enough, then the chances are good), host some special sports events (which is a given) and host some concerts (most likely).
     
     
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Wrong Times

All session times are starting at 7pm not 6pm as shown here..sorry



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There will be four themed sessions.

October 12th: VISION: What could a HRM stadium be? - Halifax Forum, Maritime Hall - 6 - 9 p.m.
October 13th: Influence LOCATION and DESIGN - Farrell Hall, 276 Windmill Road - 6 - 9 p.m.
November 16th: HIGHLIGHTS and refine DIRECTION - Halifax Forum, Maritime Hall - 6 - 9 p.m.
December 7th: Draft DESIGN Presentation - Farrell Hall, 276 Windmill Road - 6 - 9 p.m.

We should attend all of these sessions with some pointed views....organize it.
The last sessions were too structure towards the end result of what the committee saw and wanted....we need to get better direction moving forward on this...


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Old Posted Oct 9, 2011, 5:48 PM
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I like it......

i like your design ideas...obviously lots to consider that you have evolved into what this represents as a mis mash of all the stuff posted....

I really like open ended U shape....great for concerts, and future expansion too.

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I have done a couple more SketchUp models to illustrate what I think is important in a Haliifax-area stadium. These are just my personal views. However, the ides below are ones that I have seen in other stadiums either in person or through internet images (Ivor Wynne, BMO Bield, Pizza Hut Park, Ralph Wilson Stadium, the new Winnipeg Stadium, Stanford Stadium, Livestrong Sporting Park, and others).

I think the following points are important (but these are just my opinions).
1) a low cost design - this will probably be the biggest factor in the design. In my opinion, a stadium might be more enjoyable by following a simple design as opposed to having all enclosed concourses which will result in an expensive stadium.
2) meets the most basic requuirements (sufficient washrooms, wheelchair accessable, room for portable concession stands, changerooms ...)
3) shelter from the rain but an open-air design


I did the first model with the Pizza Hut Field in mind - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_Hut_Park. The Sierra stage 1 report lists the stadium portion of the complex to be $35 million. However, I think a Halifax-area stadium might need more shelter from the rain so I have added a partial roof over most of the seats.

Most of the soccer specific stadiums have sideline seats and end zones seats that are parallel to the field (rectangular shape). This configuration results in the seats being closest to the field while still being able to meet FIFA specifications for foul area allowances. It works quite well for soccer in which players are constantly in motion similar to hockey. The following model shows about 25,000 seats (I didn't show the changeroom tunnels; the changerooms would probably be located under the lower seating bowl on one side - specifications on the FIFA changeroom requirements are in this document - http://multimidia.brasil.gov.br/bibliote...cal_recommendations_and_requirements.pdf ).

Future club seats and media facilities could be at the top of the 2nd tier under the back of the roof (I showed a couple of short towers that could contain stairs and small elevators to make them wheelchair accessable).


I also did another model (although it looks similar, there are a few differences). In this model, there are 20,000 seats along the sidelines. For football, the action is more focused in one area for longer periods of time than in soccer. For football, and it should work for soccer also, it would be better to have the sideline seats angled so that people have a clearer view down the long Canadian football field. The center-most seats are slightly further from the field but I think it will provide a better viewing experience for spectators (many football stadium are built with some variation of this concept). Spectators won't have to twist their necks for long periods of time when the action is down-field.

This is another field view.

I like the wide open concourse images that I saw of Ivor Wynne Stadium (which I know will be torn down soon).

The area under the back of the roof provides support for the roof, leaves more sheltered space in the concourse below, and provides space for media and club seats for possible future expansion. The roof is loosely based on the Livestrong Sporting Park which is in Kansas City. (However, I am not a structural engineer, I studied chemical engineering. So this is just a conceptual image).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2011, 6:22 PM
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Thanks for the comments ATL Stadium. My idea of what a stadium should be has changed quite a bit over the past 2 years. Initially, I thought in terms of the Rogers Centre but after visiting BMO Field, Ivor Wynne Stadium and Ralph Wilson Stadium, I can understand the appeal of these open-air stadiums (with some shelter). It is like going to the park and seeing a sports event at the same time. Adding some trees and other vegetation would make it that much better (imagine a re-creation of the Halifax Public Gardens and a stadium combined, or the epidaurus - http://www.athensminibus.com/f_epidaurus.html).

The images above are of two different 3D models. Both are sunken bowl stadiums but the second one has more seats between the goal-lines. The Rogers Centre and Ralph Wilson Stadium both have close to 40 rows in the lower bowl. So having at least 30 rows in a lower bowl would make a stadium easy to expand and keep the cost down (especially if a sunken location is used).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 5:58 PM
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There was the following public notice in the Chronicle Herald today - http://www.hrmstadium.ca .
I like the background on this website (looks like CFL players ). If you watch the video, Fenwicks conceptual stadium design youtube video comes up next.

I heard an advertisement on the radio for the stadium sessions today, so they are really trying to get the word out this time.

Here are the dates and times for the sessions this week.

Session 1 Theme: Vision

Wednesday October 12
Halifax Forum
Maritime Hall
7:00-9:00 PM

Session 2 Theme: Location and Design

Thursday October 13
Farrell Hall
276 Windmill Road
7:00-9:00 PM

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Old Posted Oct 11, 2011, 6:28 PM
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Finally this seems to be going somewhere. People will be more enthusiastic if there's movement on a real plan and if a specific location is chosen. The current plants are too vague. They leave a lot of room for the naysayers and to most people probably don't look any different from the past 30 years of indecision.

Unfortunately I'd expect a lot of people to be jaded about a stadium since the city has consistently failed to execute on the idea despite going as far as actually forming a CFL team and submitting a Commonwealth Games bid. This isn't in the bag until the stadium is funded and the FIFA bid is accepted.
     
     
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Just watched the video...go out tomorrow and support Halifax as a CFL city in the forum tomorrow! Make your voice heard so that the new stadium is built to CFL standards!
     
     
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Hrm sessions

Heading to the Session tomorrow night but really more interested in the Thursday night one....the Vision part is really abit on the fluffy side....

Anybody else going from here?
     
     
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I like the background on this website (looks like CFL players ). If you watch the video, Fenwicks conceptual stadium design youtube video comes up next.

I heard an advertisement on the radio for the stadium sessions today, so they are really trying to get the word out this time.

Here are the dates and times for the sessions this week.

Session 1 Theme: Vision

Wednesday October 12
Halifax Forum
Maritime Hall
7:00-9:00 PM

Session 2 Theme: Location and Design

Thursday October 13
Farrell Hall
276 Windmill Road
7:00-9:00 PM
I wish that I could be there but it was short notice to get a cheap airplane ticket from Toronto.

I think the size of the turnout will have a big influence on whether the Halifax-area gets a stadium. A small turn-out will indicate a lack of support. So people attending might consider taking interested friends and relatives.

The new official HRM facebook site has started to generate some debate about the value of a stadium - http://www.facebook.com/halifaxstadium.
     
     
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Live Streaming of the Stadium Session tonight

There will be a live stream of the stadium consultation session tonight. Here is the link - http://www.hrmstadium.ca/. This is great for people who are living outside the province. It starts at 7:00 PM Atlantic Time (6:00 PM Eastern Time for people in Ontario).
     
     
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Argh, I was really hoping to attend this one tonight but had to take a shift at work to cover a coworker who had a family emergency.. I hope the turnout for this is good with a lot of positive energy
     
     
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There will be a live stream of the stadium consultation session tonight. Here is the link - http://www.hrmstadium.ca/. This is great for people who are living outside the province. It starts at 7:00 PM Atlantic Time (6:00 PM Eastern Time for people in Ontario).
Log into the chat and get heard, as far as I can tell I'm the only one on at the moment
     
     
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I'm watching online, I wasn't able to make it tonight, but so far it seems more like a group therapy session. At least the naysayers won't be able to complain that they were not given a chance to voice their opinion.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/halifax-stadium-phase-2-analysis-public-consultation-1

There is a live chat via the link above where they have said:

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HRMStadiumEngagement: as an FYI we will try to voice some of your thoughts and messages ito th room as well
EDIT: I see Westendhali just posted the same.
     
     
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On average I see about 4-5 people per table. I'm going to guess that there might be just over a dozen tables or so. Not a full room but not bad.
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It seems as though the chat session is being censused - maybe only residents are allowed. I haven't said anything controversial but after being asked to wait 20 seconds, my comments just disappear.
     
     
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It seems as though the chat session is being censused - maybe only residents are allowed. I haven't said anything controversial but after being asked to wait 20 seconds, my comments just disappear.
fenwick login with a ustream account, you can make one quickly.
     
     
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It seems as though the chat session is being censused - maybe only residents are allowed. I haven't said anything controversial but after being asked to wait 20 seconds, my comments just disappear.
What do you have selected as "send to"? I have seen your comments though. It might not show your own posts?? I'm not sure. Next to social stream which it seems to default too there is just chat. There are a few forumers in there now including myself.
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What do you have selected as "send to"? I have seen your comments though. It might not show your own posts?? I'm not sure. Next to social stream which it seems to default too there is just chat. There are a few forumers in there now including myself.
I logged in with my facebook account and I can see the other comments but not my own. Maybe I need the Ustream account as q12 has stated.

I don't usually use chat accounts so I am not familiar with the setup.

PS: I think I am signed in properly now with a Ustream account. It seems as though they are pushing for the 10,000 seat plus 10,000 temporary seat stadium. It won't be good when there are 20,000 spectators. The person presenting feels that it won't be full very often. However, having insufficient washrooms won't make it a good concert location.

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