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Old Posted Sep 28, 2011, 7:30 PM
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If AEG wants people to use transit in great numbers, the only way to do this is build less parking and incentivize transit with a discount or some kind of rebate toward the ticket price (or the transit fare)
Exactly right. If driving is convenient and it is easy to find parking, people will continue to drive. AEG should look at shared parking. The games are either in the evenings or on the weekends, exactly the hours that workers won't be at the offices downtown.
     
     
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I believe both Robinson's and Bullocks were gobbled up by Macy's, weren't they? Macy's is still in Macy's Plaza on 7th and the other location on 7th and Fig closed and is now becoming Target. The bottom floor of Macy's became Gold's Gym some time back. Macy's operated two stores for quite some time. I wish they would extensively remodel the existing store. The old Brooks Brothers on 7th is now Bottega Louie. BB moved to another location Downtown and then gave up their lease. Two steps forward, one step back Downtown.
I am talking about the original Bullock's that was at 7th and Broadway:



As I was told, the original shopping street in DTLA was Broadway. In fact, there was a dept store named Broadway.....something like that......that was located farther up Broadway towards City Hall. It was in a cool blding as well.

On 7th, the more upscale stores were located..........that's why Bullocks was at 7th and Broadway and Robinson's was on 7th. Bullock's and Robinsons were once very upscale stores....kind of like Nordstrom's I think. I never went into the bldg that housed the original Bullock's but I really liked the alley that ran through it and saw all kinds of possibilities for it. I don't know what the usage of the blding is now but it would be awesome to bring retail/dept store back into it.

Sorry if you all knew this history.
     
     
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I am talking about the original Bullock's that was at 7th and Broadway:



As I was told, the original shopping street in DTLA was Broadway. In fact, there was a dept store named Broadway.....something like that......that was located farther up Broadway towards City Hall. It was in a cool blding as well.

On 7th, the more upscale stores were located..........that's why Bullocks was at 7th and Broadway and Robinson's was on 7th. Bullock's and Robinsons were once very upscale stores....kind of like Nordstrom's I think. I never went into the bldg that housed the original Bullock's but I really liked the alley that ran through it and saw all kinds of possibilities for it. I don't know what the usage of the blding is now but it would be awesome to bring retail/dept store back into it.

Sorry if you all knew this history.
Make it a BLOOMINGDALES!!! =D and then Find another former dept store building and make it a NORDSTROM!! and so on with Neiman Marcus and Saks 5th Avenue
     
     
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Dtla stadium <3 westside subway!!!

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/09/ho...estside_subway_open_in_our_lifetimes.php

BH gives a lame ass excuse again saying.. "oh well, this subway project needs careful and deliberate review and you don't wanna waste this opportunity and shortchange the future generations.." okay????? THEN LETS FREAKIN BUILD IT ALREADY AND STOP WASTING TIME!!! -___-'' GEEZE. And they talk as if Metro doesn't carefully review the route.. of course they do.

BH is goin left and right looking retarded running out of dumb excuses

ANYWAYS... do you guys think CHSR also qualifies for AB900???
     
     
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One Path to Better Jobs: More Density in Cities

Ryan Avent is an economics correspondent for The Economist and author of the Kindle Single “The Gated City,” from which this essay is adapted.

“HELL is other people,” wrote Jean-Paul Sartre. He nonetheless spent much of his life in Paris, the better to interact with other French intellectuals. Cities have long been incubators and transmitters of ideas, and, correspondingly, engines of economic growth.

That has never made the crowds less annoying. Maybe that’s why people try to tame the city by chaining it down and limiting who can build what where along its quieter streets. We lobby leaders to fight development, aiming to protect old buildings and precious views, limit crime and traffic, and maintain high-quality schools. But what makes a city a city and a not-city a not-city is the fact that a city is dense and a not-city isn’t. The idea of it may chill a homeowner’s heart, but the wealth supported by urban density is what gives urban homes their great value in the first place.

And when it comes to economic growth and the creation of jobs, the denser the city the better.

How great are the benefits of density? Economists studying cities routinely find that after controlling for other variables, workers in denser places earn higher wages and are more productive. Some studies suggest that doubling density raises productivity by around 6 percent while others peg the impact at up to 28 percent. Some economists have concluded that more than half the variation in output per worker across the United States can be explained by density alone; density explains more of the productivity gap across states than education levels or industry concentrations or tax policies.

Put two workers with similar skill levels in cities of different densities and the one in the denser place will be more productive, according to two decades’ worth of research from economists. The resistance to greater density slows job creation in productive places. Take, for instance, the San Francisco Bay Area, a beautiful place, blessed with outstanding climate, scenery and culture. It’s also an economic juggernaut, hub of the country’s tech industry and home to some of America’s highest wages. In 2009, the average Silicon Valley household earned about $85,000. Despite this, over 500,000 residents of the Bay Area moved elsewhere in the 2000s. Many of them left for places like Phoenix, which attracted over 500,000 residents from other American cities, despite wages 40 percent below Silicon Valley levels.

Factors like taste and taxes account for some of the migration, but the biggest reason for the shift is housing costs. The average Phoenix home is worth about 30 percent of the price of a house in San Jose. The difference in prices is mostly due to differences in building. In every year from 1992 to 2009, Phoenix granted permits for two to three times as many new homes as did the San Francisco and San Jose metropolitan areas combined. Around the San Francisco Bay, neighborhoods dead set against change successfully squeezed the housing supply, just as OPEC limits the supply of oil when it wishes to raise its price.

The “Not in My Backyard” philosophy sometimes, though by no means always, supports a high quality of life. Yet the effect is to raise housing costs and make rich cities more exclusive. Real trouble occurs when the idea-generators in cities with that NIMBY approach become so protective of their pleasant streets that they turn away other idea-generators, undermining the city’s economic role. And that is happening. Entrepreneurship rates in Silicon Valley were below the national average during the tech boom because firms couldn’t attract enough skilled workers.

Productivity and wages are rising in these growing Sunbelt cities, but not as fast as in the denser cities that workers are leaving. The average wage per job in Phoenix rose $10,700 from 2000 to 2009, while in San Francisco the increase was $14,500. But, while wages are growing in San Francisco, they would be growing faster if the city allowed the construction of more housing. More workers would be able to take advantage of the good job opportunities in the Bay Area, and the metropolitan and national economies would function better.

DENSITY isn’t a magic elixir. One can’t create wealth just by crowding people together; otherwise the super-dense metropolitan areas in emerging Asian countries would be richer than American cities. Density simply facilitates interaction. Interactions translate into wealth when a population is educated and local institutions support private enterprise and entrepreneurship.

The world’s richest places tend to be dense, with well-educated residents and a free-market-orientation (or tax havens or oil-rich) — think of New York and the Bay Area, of Singapore, Hong Kong and the Netherlands. Without a stock of skilled workers and a relatively open marketplace, density’s impact on growth and productivity will be limited.

What is it exactly that dense cities are doing? Consider a simple example. Suppose that within a population one person in 100 develops a taste for Vietnamese cuisine, and suppose that a Vietnamese restaurant needs a customer base of 1,000 people to operate profitably. In a city of 10,000 residents, there aren’t enough people to support a Vietnamese restaurant. The only restaurants that can operate profitably are those appealing to considerably more than one in 100 people — restaurants offering less daring fare. In a city of 10,000 people, there is little room for specialization, and less for experimentation.

A city of one million people, by contrast, can support multiple Vietnamese restaurants. Not only will this larger city enjoy a specialty cuisine unavailable in less populous places, but its ability to support multiple producers of this cuisine allows for competition, improving the price and quality.

A city with multiple Vietnamese restaurants may attract sellers of the fresh ingredients used in Vietnamese cooking, who then invest in distribution of those products in the larger city. This, in turn, attracts the sort of discerning eaters who favor authentic, high-quality Vietnamese food, reinforcing the concentration of Vietnamese eateries. The larger market facilitates competition, which again boosts quality and reduces prices. This is good for consumers. But competition also means better service from suppliers and growth in the consumer market, which is good for the restaurants. The result is a stronger, more productive and higher-quality microeconomy than in the city of 100,000, where only one Vietnamese restaurant can survive, or the town of 10,000, where there is none at all.

Density doesn’t work without talent. A small market may only support restaurants producing food that caters to a broad range of tastes. These restaurants will have to hire generalists — cooks who can produce a broad range of cuisines. Specialization and fine-tuning of one’s skills aren’t rewarded; too few patrons will have the specific taste for the particular cuisine to appreciate the quality. Time spent nailing down the nuances of one cuisine is time a chef isn’t using to maintain a good-enough command of a broad range of dishes.

In the larger market, supporting multiple niche cuisines, the calculus is different. Because there may be multiple Vietnamese restaurants competing for patrons, mastery of that specific style is necessary to maintain an edge against the competition. This is particularly true as the concentration of Vietnamese restaurants is likely to attract devotees of the cuisine with a well-developed knowledge of and taste for it. Hence, the larger marketplace pushes for, rather than against, specialization.

Meanwhile, a worker hoping to make a living as a Vietnamese chef will have a much easier time of things in the larger city. Labor turnover may be greater — if there’s only one Vietnamese restaurant in a town, then head-chef spots may only rarely open up — and so the odds of finding employment are higher. The larger city also provides insurance against bad fortune. If you’re a Vietnamese chef working at the one Vietnamese restaurant in a town and the one Vietnamese restaurant goes bankrupt, then you’re obviously in a tough economic situation. You must either take another job for which you’re less qualified, which may mean a reduction in compensation, or move. In the larger city, by contrast, competing restaurants can absorb and reemploy the labor and resources of defunct competitors.

This insurance function is important. It reduces the risks associated with specialization and therefore encourages more of it. By allowing workers to focus on tasks at which they’re relatively better than others, specialization helps drive economic growth. It’s also an engine of innovation. As workers focus on a specific task, they may well find better ways to do it. They might better schedule their days or invent something entirely new — software code written to expedite repeated tasks, or a machine that automates portions of a task. Of course, existing companies can be resistant to innovation. Dense cities, by acting as a source of insurance, enable workers with good ideas to take risks and start new businesses. If these workers fail, they have a good chance of finding employment elsewhere in the city. And if they succeed, the task of staffing the company is made easier by the existing pool of talent, and odds are good that customers and suppliers are close to hand, as well. Big cities provide a climate in which innovation can flourish, and in which innovators have the resources they need to exploit new ideas.

WHAT’S true for Vietnamese cooking is true of skill-intensive industries. The American economy’s famous upward mobility rested in part on middle-class access to rich, entrepreneurial cities. This machinery is breaking down, however, mostly because upward mobility strikes too many residents of rich places as too messy a pursuit to accommodate. During the Industrial Revolution, for instance, millions of workers flooded into fast-growing cities. This produced slums, but it also allowed poor workers to take advantage of opportunities in new industries, a process that helped create the middle class.

Rapid urban growth would mean denser neighborhoods, which makes many Americans uncomfortable. Preventing this density, however, denies workers access to the best opportunities, constraining the mechanism that helps support a strong middle class.

We can hope that as the Phoenixes and Houstons grow and attract skilled workers, their wage levels will converge with those of the slow-growing, high-wage coastal cities. Yet that may simply encourage their residents to pull up the ladder after them as coastal residents have. Eventually, Americans will learn that if they can’t harness their cities as tools of growth and mobility, they’ll have to find costlier ways to address the country’s lingering economic ills.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/op...pagewanted=all
Unfortunately guys like this who have to fill a certain number of pages usually end up chasing their own tails. Cutting out the intermediate steps, all he is saying is that when cities are in higher demand (for reasons of natural resources, location, technological skills, govt. spending, low taxes, or whatever), more people move there, prices go up and density makes more sense. Transit, high-rise and crowded streets naturally follow.

What is baloney is to say that density is what attracts the skills, creates the demand, passes on the skills, etc. Density is the result. There are plenty of really dense cities that aren't booming or haven't boomed in the past (e.g., Istanbul was dense for centuries before it became a hot economic locale).
     
     
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what happen to the great city of LA, no big projects, no highrises.
everytime I go to LA look the same, no change except for the ritz carlton
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what happen to the great city of LA, no big projects, no highrises.
everytime I go to LA look the same, no change except for the ritz carlton
The building boom has come and gone, but downtown continues to make strides towards walkability and livability. You may not be seeing too many cranes in our skylines, but trust me, this place is continuing to get better and better.
     
     
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what happen to the great city of LA, no big projects, no highrises.
You may have heard, our country has hit a bit of a snag financially.
     
     
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The building boom has come and gone, but downtown continues to make strides towards walkability and livability. You may not be seeing too many cranes in our skylines, but trust me, this place is continuing to get better and better.
Don't worry. Soon, though, I suspect another boom will come. Not based on speculation, like the last one, but based on demand.
     
     
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LOL "you may have heard," yeah sometime in the past FOUR years? Don't feed the trolls guys, there's no point!
     
     
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Don't worry. Soon, though, I suspect another boom will come. Not based on speculation, like the last one, but based on demand.
An interesting comment; one that is at the heart of all investment decisions. Unfortunately all investment is based on speculation as to what demand will be. Nobody knows before it's tried how "Avatar" or Dell Computers or the iPod is going to do. You make your best guess. An investment based on a guaranteed profit from certain demand is not an investment at all; it's a windfall. It is also very rare, except where the government stacks the deck.

The point is not to discourage new ideas, entrepreneurs and investors. If you do, real growth stops.
     
     
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Unfortunately guys like this who have to fill a certain number of pages usually end up chasing their own tails. Cutting out the intermediate steps, all he is saying is that when cities are in higher demand (for reasons of natural resources, location, technological skills, govt. spending, low taxes, or whatever), more people move there, prices go up and density makes more sense. Transit, high-rise and crowded streets naturally follow.
Except that isn't always true. Dallas is in high demand; yet density remains light and housing prices continue to be cheap. I don't think you can cut out the intermediate steps. He makes very clear that density alone doesn't do the trick.

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What is baloney is to say that density is what attracts the skills, creates the demand, passes on the skills, etc. Density is the result. There are plenty of really dense cities that aren't booming or haven't boomed in the past (e.g., Istanbul was dense for centuries before it became a hot economic locale).
He points out its density combined with education/smarts that leads to a city's attractiveness. Why is Columbus, OH increasing density at a much faster clip than Dallas, the king of sprawl in this country? Why are mixed use projects much more commonplace in Columbus than Dallas? After all, they both are located in the Midwest where land is relatively flat and there is little to prevent either city from expanding outward.

Columbus is the capital of the state and the home to one of the largest universities in the country. It may not be growing as fast as Dallas but its still a vibrant, successful city with a downtown area that is becoming more active and alive and with close in neighborhoods that are very popular with residents. Dallas still struggles with a moribund downtown and hit or miss inner city neighborhoods.

The so called smart cities in this country are increasing density at a rapid clip. Maybe with education comes an acceptance of denser living. There definitely seems to be a link between the two.
     
     
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Make it a BLOOMINGDALES!!! =D and then Find another former dept store building and make it a NORDSTROM!! and so on with Neiman Marcus and Saks 5th Avenue
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One of my current favorite threads on here. I am recently engaged, and myself and my fiance moved into South Park, in May, right across from Staples. Actually as I type this my view out of the loft's window is of Staples.

I was about to type something longer, but it may come across as offensive to those who aren't actually living down here and see all the positives and negatives of living in Downtown LA. Also, I have my own small Civil Engineering company, and kind of know about some of the projects coming online eventually but aren't really out there in easy to find public documents. I really do think that slowly but surely some pretty decent projects are going to happen in the next few years or so. With plans to phase out these projects over time into something even larger.

At the same time I am still hearing that unless you are owner financed, banks aren't loaning, even as recently as a week ago. JPM are some initials to throw out there.

And for others who are living out here, I recently went to the FYE Fest and that was pretty crazy with just how many concert goers were taking the subway back to Downtown and out to North Hollywood direction. The trains were so packed that a lot of people couldn't get on at the last train out.
     
     
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Also, I have my own small Civil Engineering company, and kind of know about some of the projects coming online eventually but aren't really out there in easy to find public documents. I really do think that slowly but surely some pretty decent projects are going to happen in the next few years or so. With plans to phase out these projects over time into something even larger.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. You know of unannounced projects? What are, they, pray tell? Any high-rises? How likely are they to happen?
     
     
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Except that isn't always true. Dallas is in high demand; yet density remains light and housing prices continue to be cheap. I don't think you can cut out the intermediate steps. He makes very clear that density alone doesn't do the trick.



He points out its density combined with education/smarts that leads to a city's attractiveness. Why is Columbus, OH increasing density at a much faster clip than Dallas, the king of sprawl in this country? Why are mixed use projects much more commonplace in Columbus than Dallas? After all, they both are located in the Midwest where land is relatively flat and there is little to prevent either city from expanding outward.

Columbus is the capital of the state and the home to one of the largest universities in the country. It may not be growing as fast as Dallas but its still a vibrant, successful city with a downtown area that is becoming more active and alive and with close in neighborhoods that are very popular with residents. Dallas still struggles with a moribund downtown and hit or miss inner city neighborhoods.

The so called smart cities in this country are increasing density at a rapid clip. Maybe with education comes an acceptance of denser living. There definitely seems to be a link between the two.
Sometimes there is development without density and sometimes there is density without development. The two are not mutually dependent. They both are dependent on other factors. That's all that I'm saying, and all that the writer said, when you cut the extraneous references to buzz words.
     
     
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I also know of a idea floating around to LA Live the Staples Center (add a huge 100 foot long 8 foot wide LED banner on the front).
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Looks like there's a new City West project to add to the list.

From the LA Downtown News:

Good Samaritan Hospital Grows With an $80 Million Expansion

by Richard Guzmán


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DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES - When plans for an $80 million expansion of City West's Good Samaritan Hospital were circulating a few years ago, Eben Feinstein, chief of staff of the institution, remembers hearing from doubtful staff members. They questioned whether the funds for a seven-story medical building could be assembled at a time of frozen lending markets and dying projects.

"The doctors were asking me, ‘Are they really going to build this thing?'" he recalled.

The definitive answer to that question comes this week. On Thursday, Oct. 6, hospital officials and other local leaders will come together at a current parking lot on the northeast corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Witmer Street to break ground on the Good Samaritan Medical Plaza.

The development will add an outpatient surgical center with eight outpatient operating suites (the hospital currently has three such suites), five levels of physician's offices and a higher-profile street presence on Wilshire. The 193,000-square-foot building will also serve as home to some of Good Samaritan's specialty medical clinics, among them a cardiac care facility and a blood donor center. The radiation and oncology departments will also move into the new building.

As much as anything, it's a chance for the 126-year-old facility to prepare for the future. The 408-bed hospital, said Good Samaritan President and CEO Andrew Leeka, currently operates at 100% capacity. The new building is slated to open in about two years.

"The situation is that we've run out of space," said Leeka. "That's a problem, but that's also a huge opportunity for us."

The building being designed by the firm Ware Malcomb will feature a glass façade between limestone walls. It will share a lobby on Witmer Street with an existing Good Samaritan medical building. A ground-floor cafe is planned.

Part of the design will include features intended to complement pedestrian activity. The eastern side of the building will hold three window panels that will likely feature displays focusing on medical history. (More)
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The rendering is disappointing only because the ground floor is another blank wall without the possibility of really interacting with Vero across the street. However, it's still better than the ivies growing on the dirt hill right now if I'm not mistaken about the current state of the lot.

I wish they would have included even one or two retail spaces on the corners...
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