YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 185

Hourglass · #**3681** Posted **Sep 18, 2011, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I think it would mean more unfettered air travel to Japan, and the cessation of negotiating, negotiating, negotiating.
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With due respect to all readers here, I also hope that it means that the YVR thread will no longer be mostly consecrated to flights to Japan, Japan, and Japan.
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Other news / destrinations would be nice.

Sorry, I Just find this statement a bit bizarre.

YVR's growth is predicated on it being the de facto Asian gateway to Canada and to a lesser extent, the US. At some point, it may be a connection point between Asia and Latin America. Sadly, therefore, most YVR news will continue to be about Asia -- of which Japan is one of the largest economies.

However, some non-Japan news that will gladden Trofirhen's heart is that Edelweiss will be increasing their seasonal summer service to YVR next year...

Yume-sama · #**3682** Posted **Sep 18, 2011, 9:36 PM**

There are only 2 flights to Japan per day nowadays anyways

It would be nicer to see re-introduction of service from Singapore Airlines. I flew from HKG - SIN and back last week with SQ in their A380 Suites (http://www.flickr.com/photos/syume/6131229623/

) and the flight attendants on both flights told me that SQ would like to fly to Vancouver again, but the government wouldn't budge on more than 3x per week, and they wanted daily. And boy, is SQ ever an airline! I suppose Air Canada just hates the idea that people could fly to Singapore on a nice airline and use it as an Asian gateway instead. On my flight back from HKG, MANY people were connecting from Philippines, Thailand, etc.

Singapore is also the most beautiful city (Country?) I've ever been to. Man, truly a World class place. We should probably study how they do things.

On the downside, it makes Vancouver seem uber affordable on an almost third-World level in comparison haha

deasine · #**3683** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 12:05 AM**

I actually hope the open skies agreement can attract ANA to fly to YVR! It'll be it's first Canadian destination (or am I just hoping too much).

Interestingly enough, Brazil is home to the largest Japanese population outside of Japan. With this new fifth freedom access to Canada, I wonder if it could be viable for JAL or ANA to have a direct route to GRU (Sao Paulo) from NRT via a Canadian City. YYZ is technically a more direct transfer point for such a route, however (and likely has much more demand).

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

There are only 2 flights to Japan per day nowadays anyways

It would be nicer to see re-introduction of service from Singapore Airlines. I flew from HKG - SIN and back last week with SQ in their A380 Suites (http://www.flickr.com/photos/syume/6131229623/

) and the flight attendants on both flights told me that SQ would like to fly to Vancouver again, but the government wouldn't budge on more than 3x per week, and they wanted daily. And boy, is SQ ever an airline! I suppose Air Canada just hates the idea that people could fly to Singapore on a nice airline and use it as an Asian gateway instead. On my flight back from HKG, MANY people were connecting from Philippines, Thailand, etc.

Singapore is also the most beautiful city (Country?) I've ever been to. Man, truly a World class place. We should probably study how they do things.

Definitely agree with you on this one. But SQ has been cutting back on a few North American destinations, including cancellation of many direct flights btwn SIN and LAX. Singapore does have fifth freedoms in Canada, but that is only limited to direct non-passenger and passenger flights.

Anyway, here's to hoping for more airlines!

SpongeG · #**3684** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 5:33 AM**

heres an article of interest

full article - graphic source:http://vancouver.openfile.ca/vancouver/file/2011/09/where-does-vancouver-fly

Where does Vancouver fly?

usog · #**3685** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 6:36 AM**

Has anyone ever flown YVR-Oakland, maybe Alaskan? I don't remember ever being able to fly to OAK.

teriyaki · #**3686** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 8:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by usog

Has anyone ever flown YVR-Oakland, maybe Alaskan? I don't remember ever being able to fly to OAK.

A quick search on kayak yielded no non-stop flights to Oakland. You can get there directly by hopping across the border to Bellingham though.

trofirhen · #**3687** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 5:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

I actually hope the open skies agreement can attract ANA to fly to YVR! It'll be it's first Canadian destination (or am I just hoping too much).

Interestingly enough, Brazil is home to the largest Japanese population outside of Japan. With this new fifth freedom access to Canada, I wonder if it could be viable for JAL or ANA to have a direct route to GRU (Sao Paulo) from NRT via a Canadian City. YYZ is technically a more direct transfer point for such a route, however (and likely has much more demand).
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Anyway, here's to hoping for more airlines!

Canada and Brazil just reached an air agreement of an "open skies" nature,
I believe, but that would only involve Toronto, possibly Montreal.

If there was a route Vancouver > Miami, would that not expedite possibilities for Asia - South America flights using Vancouver as a transfer point?

twoNeurons · #**3688** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

I actually hope the open skies agreement can attract ANA to fly to YVR! It'll be it's first Canadian destination (or am I just hoping too much).

THAT would be fantastic! However, forget about Narita, let's see ANA fly one of their new 787s from YVR to KIX (Osaka)! There are no longer ANY direct flights to Osaka.

Dream Come True!

A few points from the article:

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Liberalizing air traffic between the two countries (Open-Skies) in effect from Summer 2013, when annual slots at Tokyo Narita Airport reaches 270000

Canadian Carriers will have unlimited 5th freedom rights beyond Japan, excluding Tokyo Airports
Japanese Carriers will have unlimited 5th freedom rights beyond Canada
Possible service increase to/from Tokyo Narita starting as early as Summer 2012
Restrictions for Service to/from Tokyo Narita will be removed by Summer 2013

So... if a Canadian airline wants to fly through Japan, it will have to fly through either Chubu Int'l (Nagoya) or Kansai Int'l (Osaka). Both airports are underutilized.

We could see destinations in India originating in Vancouver. Some locations can be flown direct, but until AC gets a good complement of 787s most Indian cities are out of range or at the very edge of range and 5th freedom through Japan would be very useful.

Johnny Aussie · #**3689** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 10:12 PM**

Once Japan fully recovers from its disasters in the past few years (economic and natural) look for a re-announcement of YVR-HND. Hopefully sooner than later. Better slot times would help AC, so perhaps ANA would do the route with an AC codeshare.

I can also see KIX relaunch sometime in the future... who knows!

Gordon · #**3690** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 10:18 PM**

Maybe we can get Singapore air back with their old route yvr- Osaka -SQ with the frequencies they they wanted before they left.

I would suspect that YVRAA sill take full advantage of this treaty.

Is there any news on the YvR HND route?

twoNeurons · #**3691** Posted **Sep 19, 2011, 10:24 PM**

Dropping HND (Haneda) though had little to do with the disaster. Air Canada had already dropped Haneda before the Earthquake. I was supposed to be on one of the flights and we got moved to NRT.

HND wasn't working well because, despite it being a really convenient airport for transfers to other cities in Japan and being really close to downtown, the restrictive time slots meant none of those benefits really worked for all but the most niche demographics.

Outbound was pretty good, leaving late night and arriving in the evening in Vancouver, but Inbound sucked... arriving after 10PM, late to get to a hotel and late for any connecting flights.

As an addendum to what I was talking about with a Vancouver - India Connection:

Only Air Canada's 18 777 planes can fly directly to India. The BULK of their widebody fleet is made up of 30 767s and 8 A320s. They wouldn't make it. The range of these planes with a full passenger load, however, are PERFECT for YVR-KIX-DEL or YVR-KIX-BOM.

They all have a range of about 6500 miles.

YVR to DEL : 6934 mi.
YVR to BOM : 7629 mi.

YVR - KIX - DEL : 4942 + 3409 = 8451 mi.
YVR - KIX - BOM: 4942 + 3936 = 8877 mi.

Yume-sama · #**3692** Posted **Sep 20, 2011, 12:27 AM**

Is it not possible to fly from YVR - SIN directly? I notice SFO and LAX 777 & A380 service both stop / connect in NRT, ICN or HKG.

It doesn't seem *that* far lol But I guess it is.

Bigtime · #**3693** Posted **Sep 20, 2011, 12:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Only Air Canada's 18 777 planes can fly directly to India. The BULK of their widebody fleet is made up of 30 767s and 8 A320s. They wouldn't make it. The range of these planes with a full passenger load, however, are PERFECT for YVR-KIX-DEL or YVR-KIX-BOM.

I believe you mean 8 A333's.

Yume-sama · #**3694** Posted **Sep 20, 2011, 3:01 AM**

Luckily they've ordered 37 787's to replace all of those 767's and A333's!

It would have been interesting to know what all they planned to do with those sweet, sweet planes back when they thought they'd be getting them a few years ago~

twoNeurons · #**3695** Posted **Sep 20, 2011, 3:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

I believe you mean 8 A333's.

Oops. Yes, I mean the A330-300s.

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

Is it not possible to fly from YVR - SIN directly? I notice SFO and LAX 777 & A380 service both stop / connect in NRT, ICN or HKG.

Yeah, I don't know if it's the distance or what. It's within the upper range of a 777, but I suspect that they won't be able to fill planes if they flew direct. You'd
think a city the size of LA could, but I guess not.

Just a hunch, mind you.

Hourglass · #**3696** Posted **Sep 20, 2011, 5:35 AM**

Not to mention weight limitations, especially during the winter when the headwinds are particularly strong heading west. And limited loads of course equals less $$$

I've been on Cathay flights from North America in winter that needed to make a technical stop in Taipei before continuing to Hong Kong due to the unfavorable jetstream.

But you have it right -- it's about filling planes, which was why SQ's Fifth Freedom stop via Seoul was such a bone of contention as it was felt this flight was siphoning passengers from Air Canada (and Korean Airlines, but I don't think that was so important...)

. It's a similar argument in principle to why Emirate isn't being allowed more flights to Canada from Dubai.

MalcolmTucker · #**3697** Posted **Sep 20, 2011, 6:27 AM**

Singapore used to fly a direct to LAX all business class I believe, but that is gone now. I guess people just didn't have enough of a preference for saving the bit of time.

As for stops along the way - always nice to get out and stretch your legs - Taipei to LA is long enough as it is!

Johnny Aussie · #**3698** Posted **Sep 22, 2011, 10:06 PM**

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SQ still flies the non-stop LAX-SIN J class only 5 x per week.

Another little tid bit on the Europe front:

Condor increasing from 2 per week to 3 per week next summer.
Flights will be on Mon, Wed and Sat.

So Air Berlin, Condor and Edelweiss should all be 3 weekly Summer 2012...

Also...looks like Air Transat taking over all Canadian Affair flying from Thomas Cook as well.. overall slight increase in frequency looks like by 1 per week.

... go Europe!

Johnny Aussie · #**3699** Posted **Sep 23, 2011, 12:35 AM**

Better than expected results in August 2011

Overall 1,761,692 up 3.3%

Good jumps in all sectors:
Domestic up 2.9% (expected to be a bit flatter)
An impressive 7.7% increase in Asia/Pacific (expected)
Transborder up 2.7% (was expected to be flat)
Europe very marginal increase of 0.02% (was expected to be flat)
Misc international massive increase of 20.9%

usog · #**3700** Posted **Sep 23, 2011, 1:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Better than expected results in August 2011

Overall 1,761,692 up 3.3%

Good jumps in all sectors:
Domestic up 2.9% (expected to be a bit flatter)
An impressive 7.7% increase in Asia/Pacific (expected)
Transborder up 2.7% (was expected to be flat)
Europe very marginal increase of 0.02% (was expected to be flat)
Misc international massive increase of 20.9%

And that there is why we talk about Asia more than Europe here