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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 4:06 AM
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Hmmmmm, well this quote from the article is interesting....

"In any event, Westgate is not legally obligated to return the deposits, Black added."

Now why would he say that? To instill a sense of confidence in the people who have made deposits? Well, I guess you pay your money, you take your chances.

Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/business/Capit...g+Black/5373641/story.html#ixzz1XPxyAa8D
My thoughts exactly - what kind of turrets moment was that? Even if that is the case, I would not, as the VP of blah blah blah and communications, address that question in that way, even if asked directly. Keep your eye on the ball in terms of the other 89 units that need to be sold and the more sold before construction starts the better. Unless they secured financing from a wealthy benefactor with deep pockets that eliminates the need for conventional financing - they don't make things easy on themselves.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 4:29 AM
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I'm all the way over in Vancouver (we have some experience with presales here). How it works is you place a downpayment on a condo say 10-20%. That deposit does not go to the developer, it stays in trust with a lawfirm until completion and only on completion does the developer get that money, should the project go sideways or die, the lawfirm is obligated to return the money to the original purchaser. I do not have experience in Sask. but I would imagine the rules would be quite similar.
If these owners want their money back and the developer is in breach of contract (which they would probably be by now, as it's unlikely they will meant the original deadline) then they are entitled to it. If they are not getting anywhere they should seek another lawyer immediately. This is all dependent on the developer not fulfilling the disclosure statement, hopefully the purchasers did not get taken by a very loose disclosure statement which gives the developer too much leeway.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 5:53 AM
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 4:13 PM
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I feel your guys' pain on this project, especially since we got almost the exactly same song and dance in Saskatoon from Lake Placid. They kept telling us they were "one signature away" from finalizing financing, blah blah blah, while the lot sat in fallow. Turns out they never had the money and were never honest about their ability to deliver on their grand scheme. Now they're a pariah and will never show their faces here again.

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Well of course, somebody asks you a question and you provide an answer - that's the way it works.

But let's unpack this a little bit more. Mr. Black is supposedly in town to promote this project and alleviate any doubts or fears that investors might have about this project. In other words, he's here to blow a lot of sunshine up our asses about what a wonderful project this is going to be and... don't worry... everything will turn out all right.

And then he goes and says, well we've got your money and we don't really need to return it -- even if the project goes down the crapper.

Now if you were trying to sell people on this project, is that the kind of thing you would say? Of course not.

This project hasn't passed the smell test right from the beginning, and it's only getting farther past it's due date.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 7:12 PM
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Just drove by the site, there is some activity taking place, looks like they are starting to take the chainlink fence down and replace it with wood siding and new signage. This is a good sign, I hope. Also the Mayor and the City of Regina's twitter accounts are retweeting yesterdays media reports regarding the project, something they haven't done before. You'd think the city would know what is truly going on..... (fingers crossed)
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 7:45 PM
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Just drove by the site, there is some activity taking place, looks like they are starting to take the chainlink fence down and replace it with wood siding and new signage. This is a good sign, I hope. Also the Mayor and the City of Regina's twitter accounts are retweeting yesterdays media reports regarding the project, something they haven't done before. You'd think the city would know what is truly going on..... (fingers crossed)
That's not entirely true. The mayor was asked on twitter in early August when work would begin. He answered by saying end of August. So I don't think the city knows anymore than.we do.
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2011, 8:07 PM
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wow, just one day ago I ran into a PCL construction worker working on the paving stones in front of the twin towers and he told me this.

A day later I hear this development. I do feel better about it now, but wary. At this point in time, I would just be happy to see that old building gone. But my confidence in this is still shaky. I guess I will only be sure of demolition when I start seeing heavy machinery being moved onto the site.
PCL is not laying the paving stones, it is a sub contractor. Also the guys on the job, although worth plumbing for info once in a while, are not always reliable or up to date.
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Read my post from May 2, 2011. Nothing has changed here. Brightstar and Fortress "press releases" mean puppy squat. In Keswick, Crates Landing is still in the doghouse after all the con jobs by these boys insisting money is in play..Fortress only raises capital for soft costs and not construction and it is expensive money. Brightstar cannot pull off Capital Pointe just as they jerked around with Crates Landing for many years and lets not mention a high end project in Barrie, Ontario (fyi, Investors/Purchasers were able to get their deposits back last year for Crates Landing because the local government made them do it!) Don't get too attached to your project...not with these boyz anyway...Dick
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Old Posted Sep 12, 2011, 7:08 PM
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if nothing is happening on the site by end of the month, we can really start wondering.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 4:07 PM
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NOTICE MAILED TO OWNERS: All liens removed, Construction is a go!!!

The Builder has sent letters to all the owners of units indicating to them that, although things had been at a standstill (due to liens put against the project by the Architect), the recent finance deal has removed all liens, and the project is a go!

Demolition to commence near the end of the month, and the area should be ready for building in the new year, as the weather allows.

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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 4:37 PM
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The Case for CAPITAL POINTE

I've had a chance to go over some of the posts on this board, and I'd like to address the naysayers who either don't like this project, or don't believe it will ever go up, or don't trust builders or officials.

I say this respectfully, my intention is not to insult, although it may feel like I am.

Firstly, many of the opinions are groundless: the naysayers say the building just ain't gonna happen ... just because. I won't bother addressing that argument.

Or they say, that it didn't happen before, so why would it happen now. This is also a remedial argument. Regina (or Canada) simply isn't what is was before: a small town country that no one ever thought of. It is now the beacon of security around the world. In a world of political, social, and economical uncertainty - and most dangerously, environmental upheaval from climate change - Canada is situated among the best, if not the best. And the world has begun to take to it. Specifically for Regina, it has what the world wants, and Saskatchewan generally will be seen as a engine of growth for Canada from the world's demand.

What the naysayers may be use to is the small town feeling that Sask cities have, but this is quickly changing. Ottawa was similar about 5-10 years ago. The same arguments were being made about downtown Ottawa condos such as who on earth would want to live there. And now the market is red hot. Regina, and Sask generally, has even more potential of growth simply because of it's starting point of being so small.

Moreover, I've had a chance to go over to the City of Regina Planning Dept (which I encourage all the naysayers to go and visit and ask many many questions - they are very friendly over there) and you should hear what they are planning. Capital Pointe is just the beginning, many more condos will spring up, especially along Albert, and elsewhere, once the anchor has been placed.

The Planners realize that given the current immigration trends of Regina, there will be a dire shortage coming - and so the days of dragging one's feet to get a project started or taking a long time to complete a project will not be feasible or profitable for all parties concerned. They are planning to build, and not planning just to plan!

The naysayers also argue about the price point of the condo, saying it is too high. To this point, I'd encourage them to look at other new condos going up in the area, and also to other condos going up in other emerging cities and compare them with their associative markets - you'll find the prices are in-line (although I acknowledge a slight premium for this condo specifically given it's high-end finishes and location). But all things considering, quite in-line.

In summary: Regina is quickly being uplifted from it's "small-town" mentality to become an emerging city (and most importantly being recognized as an emerging city by job-seekers, residents, and investors from all over the world), and I'd encourage it's residential naysayers to do the same.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 6:11 PM
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I don't think most people are negative about condos and future growth in general for Regina, I think most of the negativity is regarding this particular development and the developers involved. I know I'd like to be proven wrong and see this one go ahead as it will be a positive sign for future like-projects. I'm still very weary though and although I fully expect to see demo take place soon I'm not convinced we've heard the last of the delays.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 6:48 PM
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The Builder has sent letters to all the owners of units indicating to them that, although things had been at a standstill (due to liens put against the project by the Architect), the recent finance deal has removed all liens, and the project is a go!

Demolition to commence near the end of the month, and the area should be ready for building in the new year, as the weather allows.

We hope this goes through, are they going to build the underground parking throughout the winter as it may take a year just to do that .
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 8:17 PM
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Regarding construction delays ... I love 'em!

Project delays WILL happen! That's a fact of life.

Every condo project I've invested in have ALL indicated occupancy within 1-3 years. ALL have taken longer than proposed. One condo project promised occupancy within 2 years, it took 5 years.

AS AN INVESTOR, delays are my friend: because the property is appreciating while I've only put in a small deposit, and I have no managing headaches or additional monthly expenses. Moreover, there are 2 types of appreciation that happen: 1) General appreciation with the rest of the market, and 2) Built appreciation as the condo is worth more built, than just a hole in the ground.

BUT AS A RESIDENT, understandably this can be very annoying since everything is on hold. Just come into it with the understanding that delays WILL happen.

Personally, the longer this project takes (so long as it gets built eventually, of course), the happier I am.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 8:38 PM
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Project delays WILL happen! That's a fact of life.

Every condo project I've invested in have ALL indicated occupancy within 1-3 years. ALL have taken longer than proposed. One condo project promised occupancy within 2 years, it took 5 years.

AS AN INVESTOR, delays are my friend: because the property is appreciating while I've only put in a small deposit, and I have no managing headaches or additional monthly expenses. Moreover, there are 2 types of appreciation that happen: 1) General appreciation with the rest of the market, and 2) Built appreciation as the condo is worth more built, than just a hole in the ground.

BUT AS A RESIDENT, understandably this can be very annoying since everything is on hold. Just come into it with the understanding that delays WILL happen.

Personally, the longer this project takes (so long as it gets built eventually, of course), the happier I am.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2011, 8:39 PM
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The delay might help you in increasing markets as an investor, doesn't help you too much though if you want to live there and have to continue paying rent indefinately, nor if you already own and place your house on the market and sell it with a 3 month closing period as that's the estimate you were given by the developer only to find out it's delayed and you now have no place to live.
I've bought quite a few presales over the years and I can assure you that delays of more then a couple of months are not the norm. Most investors do not want their money tied up longer then needed and would prefer to move to another project as soon as possible.
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2011, 5:01 AM
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Project delays WILL happen! That's a fact of life.

Every condo project I've invested in have ALL indicated occupancy within 1-3 years. ALL have taken longer than proposed. One condo project promised occupancy within 2 years, it took 5 years.

AS AN INVESTOR, delays are my friend: because the property is appreciating while I've only put in a small deposit, and I have no managing headaches or additional monthly expenses. Moreover, there are 2 types of appreciation that happen: 1) General appreciation with the rest of the market, and 2) Built appreciation as the condo is worth more built, than just a hole in the ground.

BUT AS A RESIDENT, understandably this can be very annoying since everything is on hold. Just come into it with the understanding that delays WILL happen.

Personally, the longer this project takes (so long as it gets built eventually, of course), the happier I am.
I'm with you on this one fourthtower. What an obvious pile of crap. Did someone hire an intern to search message boards and post such obvious and transparent crap? Give us a little credit!
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2011, 5:16 AM
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I'm with you on this one fourthtower. What an obvious pile of crap. Did someone hire an intern to search message boards and post such obvious and transparent crap? Give us a little credit!
You took the words right out of my mouth this dude must work for capital point . Dont get my wrong I really want to see this project go ahead if does this will be one of sask crown jewels , but these delay over delays does not give one much hope we all saw what happen in Saskatoon .
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2011, 1:24 PM
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IF they do not start on the underground parking structure over the winter ,this is not a good sign , ripping down a old building is not starting construction , lets hope they mean what they say.
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Old Posted Sep 17, 2011, 12:24 AM
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WHY is it a pile of crap?

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I'm with you on this one fourthtower. What an obvious pile of crap. Did someone hire an intern to search message boards and post such obvious and transparent crap? Give us a little credit!
Why is it so obvious what I wrote is a pile of crap?!?

I don't work for Capital Pointe, but I am an investor in the project as I have purchased a unit.

I'm standing by everything I've written, so why is it a pile of crap so I can respond to your argument. I gave reasons for what I wrote, so please explain why you feel those reasons are faulty.

AS AN INVESTOR: I think that condo delays can be to advantageous - as they have been for me in the past.
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