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Old Posted Aug 14, 2011, 1:55 PM
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New development will revitalize Halifax downtown core (CTV)

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Funding visit still a mystery
Mayor hopes convention centre makes MacKay’s agenda
By MICHAEL LIGHTSTONE City Hall Reporter
Sun, Aug 14 - 7:31 AM

In the absence of a courtesy call from one of its proposed funding partners — the Harper government — Halifax city hall has had to glean information on potential federal funding for the municipality’s new convention centre from recent media reports.

Mayor Peter Kelly said Saturday he’s in the dark regarding an expected announcement Monday about the planned development in downtown Halifax.

"I don’t know any of the details," he told The Chronicle Herald.

Kelly said he’s optimistic an infrastructure speech to be delivered by Defence Minister Peter MacKay to a business audience will include Ottawa’s contribution to the convention centre.

"But there’s no certainty," the mayor said.

CTV News reported Friday that MacKay will announce about $70 million in government funding for Nova Scotia projects and the lion’s share of that public money has been earmarked for the proposed $159-million centre on Argyle Street.

Last week, the Halifax Chamber of Commerce announced MacKay had asked to speak at a chamber breakfast Monday. Ottawa’s been considering spending $47 million on the proposed convention centre but it is unknown how much will be contributed.

MacKay, the MP for Central Nova and the province’s lone federal minister, is scheduled to speak at 7:50 a.m.

Halifax Regional Municipality and the provincial government have already committed $56 million each to the contentious project proposed by Rank Inc. It’s to be built on a fenced, vacant lot that used to house The Chronicle Herald.

Earlier this month, MacKay said in Halifax that "we’re ready to go" with a federal announcement about the proposed development. The developer has been unavailable for comment.

The cost of the planned centre has reportedly gone up and sources told CTV News that MacKay is expected to announce a small increase in funds for the project.

Kelly said he hasn’t heard of a new dollar figure but acknowledged in the past that Halifax regional council would have to debate any potential increase to the municipality.

The province is not bumping up its contribution, Premier Darrell Dexter told reporters recently.

Kelly said if MacKay’s announcement is "what it’s expected to be" then the mayor hopes construction would begin soon. Construction was to have started in the spring.

Opponents have said there isn’t a business case to support a new convention centre in the Halifax region. They also don’t like the height of the development, saying it’ll block the view from Citadel Hill.

An audio-visual denunciation, posted on the Coalition to Save the View’s website, says there’s been steadily increasing convention space on the market, so Halifax doesn’t need a facility larger than the World Trade and Convention Centre.

"Generally speaking, the convention centre business has been either stagnant or dropping since 1995," coalition member Beverly Miller said on the website.

Proponents have said the city has seen large conferences go elsewhere because the trade centre can’t accommodate large groups.

The convention centre would be part of Rank’s $500-million Nova Centre, a complex that would include retail space, a hotel and an office tower.

MacKay said publicly on July 20 that he expected an announcement regarding the proposed new centre within days. It appears that was 26 days, to be exact.

His press secretary said Friday "Minister MacKay will address the Halifax Chamber of Commerce to discuss economic and infrastructure initiatives for the province."

Kelly said he’ll be there Monday morning. "I was asked to go by the chamber," he said.

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Old Posted Aug 14, 2011, 3:50 PM
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Meanwhile the CBC still uses the original renderings of the proposal whenever they have a story on the air or on their website. I'm unsure if they are doing it on purpose or not. Their left-wing constituency seems not to support such a project, which seems rather strange.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2011, 6:58 PM
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Meanwhile the CBC still uses the original renderings of the proposal whenever they have a story on the air or on their website. I'm unsure if they are doing it on purpose or not. Their left-wing constituency seems not to support such a project, which seems rather strange.
You will love this -- at the Khyber no less!

http://spacingatlantic.ca/2011/08/13/eve...nvention-photo-exhibition-launch-monday/

$375M in tax dollars? Huh?
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You will love this -- at the Khyber no less!

http://spacingatlantic.ca/2011/08/13/eve...nvention-photo-exhibition-launch-monday/

$375M in tax dollars? Huh?
I'm not in Halifax anymore but I'd actually be kind of interested in seeing some of these alternate proposals people have come up with, assuming they're talking about what to put in those lots. I've never been really ga-ga over specifically constructing a convention center - if somebody had a really cool alternative proposal for that plot that would give vibrancy to the area and cost less, I'd probably be more in support of that.

The problem is that virtually all the complaints of 'the money could be used for something better' that I've come across make little to no mention of how that money would go towards those two blocks. Having those bombed-out pits in the middle of downtown is unacceptable. I don't particularly care if they're used to build a convention center or a quirky local-boutique shopping district or a Yaletown-esque townhouse/apartment development or a new museum or whatever, but there needs to be SOMEthing there.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2011, 9:19 PM
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You will love this -- at the Khyber no less!

http://spacingatlantic.ca/2011/08/13/eve...nvention-photo-exhibition-launch-monday/

$375M in tax dollars? Huh?
And of course the Khyber has been on the dole from taxpayers for what seems like an eternity. What a bunch of hypocrites. I wish I owned a Cat D-8 bulldozer - that place would disappear mysteriously one night.
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And of course the Khyber has been on the dole from taxpayers for what seems like an eternity. What a bunch of hypocrites. I wish I owned a Cat D-8 bulldozer - that place would disappear mysteriously one night.
Nothing like extremes on both sides, huh?
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New development will revitalize Halifax downtown core (CTV)

http://atlantic.ctv.ca/?video=516201


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funny the buildings in the background and also the reflection aren't real halifax buildings ???
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2011, 11:52 PM
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I'm not in Halifax anymore but I'd actually be kind of interested in seeing some of these alternate proposals people have come up with, assuming they're talking about what to put in those lots. I've never been really ga-ga over specifically constructing a convention center - if somebody had a really cool alternative proposal for that plot that would give vibrancy to the area and cost less, I'd probably be more in support of that.
I agree that there are all kinds of possibilities for the site, but the convention centre isn't being funded by the government because they need something to fill the lot. It's being built because they've identified a need for a new convention centre facility.

The whole idea of alternate spending proposals is a bit strange. This isn't the sole thing the province and city are funding right now, and as a piece of important infrastructure it might actually increase the pool of money available in the future for other projects. The view of development as a zero-sum game is simply incorrect. Governments have a big role to play in economic development. Even in big cities in the US the government gets involved, building stuff like the Empire State or WTC. If Halifax does not work on similar projects it will continue to be left behind.

There are also elements of myopia and selfishness when people complain simply because one project does not directly benefit them. It's a bit sad when a group cheers on the library or Khyber, for example, and then turns around and moans about the convention centre or a stadium.
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What's funny about this art program is that without the investment in the community that this project will bring (more tourism dollars, etc.) which will then cause Provincial resources to increase - these programs would never get funding. Irony...oh well.
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Check out the photo petition link off of that Spacing event.

Practically everything these people would spend money on are either already somewhat in development or completely outlandish/rediculous (high speed rail from yarmouth to sydney??? how is that even justifiable as a legit expenditure compared to a convention centre... it would literally cost billions and the usage would be less that rail in most medium sized cities), or literally the job of the existing municipal government.

These folks are completely out to lunch... Any shred of respect for this people is now gone. I actually feel sorry for them because they don't get it at all.

Plus... its not "their" money per se.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2011, 11:08 AM
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In addition... this event is in December? Good luck anti-development crowd, given the funding announcement I hope to see cranes in the air before then.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2011, 11:36 AM
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$51.4 Million from the feds!

Suck it save the view!

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/9021703.html
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
Although everyone posting on the herald website is now saying that they believe this is a suck up to let us down on the ship building contract.
I hope not.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2011, 3:15 PM
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Meanwhile the CBC still uses the original renderings of the proposal whenever they have a story on the air or on their website. I'm unsure if they are doing it on purpose or not. Their left-wing constituency seems not to support such a project, which seems rather strange.
CBC finally changed the rendering. Now that it's going to be constructed I guess they decided to give up trying to stop it by using old renderings to make it look ugly.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/08/15/ns-cnnvention-centre-mackay.html
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2011, 3:23 PM
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RYAN TAPLIN/METRO HALIFAX http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/05/a5/f728827d4a32aa512926faba461e.jpg

"Those morons at Save the View thought they could stop us hahahaha...."
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RYAN TAPLIN/METRO HALIFAX http://media.metronews.topscms.com/images/05/a5/f728827d4a32aa512926faba461e.jpg

"Those morons at Save the View thought they could stop us hahahaha...."
haha...nice one!
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The only thing that I didn't think about this morning when looking at this is the comments people are making that this is 'hush money' on 'loosing' the ship contract. I don't know - I am more optimistic on that.
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The only thing that I didn't think about this morning when looking at this is the comments people are making that this is 'hush money' on 'loosing' the ship contract. I don't know - I am more optimistic on that.
People have a habit of making up theories or imagining connections without any clear factual basis. Many of these people have already been proven wrong by this announcement. I ignore them.
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People have a habit of making up theories or imagining connections without any clear factual basis. Many of these people have already been proven wrong by this announcement. I ignore them.
I would too. MacKay went out of his way this morning to outline the importance of the ship building contract to Nova Scotians and to reiterate the Feds commitment to an arms length approach during the selection process.
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