Centre Mall -> The Centre on Barton - Page 47

markbarbera · #**921** Posted **May 31, 2011, 3:50 PM**

I think there might be confusion over what the term 'destination store' means. It does not infer unique concept, but simply means a retail type that will motivate large numbers of shoppers to visit the site. Canadian Tire and Zellers are destination stores, as are the liquor store and Metro to a lesser degree. Not because they are unique, but they are the kind of shop that drives regular repeat visits to the entire site.

Having said that, Target is an ideal destination store as it also happens to be new to the market and has a high level of anticipation surrounding its arrival. Given that there will be a six month renovation and possible expansion to the Zellers, and that Target's product mix varies considerably from existing department stores in the market, this news is going to be a catalyst to completion of this site. I notice there construction has already started on three more new buildings on the site.

And mishap I continue to hear rumblings about a theatre complex working on inking a deal for a location at the site. Nothing solid just rumor. I would love for that to happen.

DC1983 · #**922** Posted **May 31, 2011, 4:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by mishap

I'm thinking they meant Superstore or Costco (possibly Sam's Club), stores that were in the original plans, but just disappeared by the time construction began.

I was kind of hoping for some kind of entertainment or theatre complex. The old Canadian Tire is just sitting there waiting for someone to use it.

I think a multi-plex theatre would fit in awesomely w/ that Corner (N/E, Ottawa/Barton) so long as it's done in proper urban design form.. and judging by the allowances on 'The Centre on Barton' I have Zero faith this would ever happen (not to mention that new multi-plexes aren't really being built anywhere.. *sigh*)

IDK but you guys, but as a shopper in the preferred demographic, I don't find Target, RCSS or Costco/Sam'sClub as a destination store. I would consider Ikea a destination store. A new movie theatre in a part of the City that has none would be a destination draw.
..An American discount retail outlet whose business plan is identical to that of Zellers when there will be at least 3 same stores in the same City (dozens w/in the same region) is NOT a destination store!
Who's going to choose Centre over Clappisons, or Rymal or whichever other Zellers have been pegged? No One.. they will go to which is closer; hence NOT a destination store!

Edit: Also let me add an Apple Store would be a destination store. Abercrombie&Fitch/Hollister would be a destinaiton store. A Co-Ed H&M would have been a destination store had Limeridge not upgraded recently. etc etc etc

markbarbera · #**923** Posted **Jun 5, 2011, 4:25 PM**

From businessdictionary.com:

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Destination Store
Definition
Giant retail store combining the attributes of several categories of stores: the size of a mass merchandiser, the variety and scope of a department store, and the low prices of a discount store. So called because consumers are willing to travel a good distance to shop in it.

So, by definition, let's revisit various stores mentioned to determine which are destination stores:

Target - yes
RCSS - yes
Costco - yes
Sam's club - yes (but n/a here as they ceased Canadian operations in 2009)
Walmart - yes
Ikea -yes
Theatre complex - no (although theatre complexes do mimic the draw of a destination store)
Zellers - yes (while it is still around)
Canadian Tire - yes
Apple Store - no
Abercrombie and Fitch - no
Hollister - no
H&M - yes (to a certain degree)

DC1983 · #**924** Posted **Jun 5, 2011, 6:34 PM**

Hmmm imagine. I woulda thought a 'destination store' would be a store which drew ppl to it's destination as it is a store that one cannot find in several other neighbourhoods w/in the same City.

Looks like developers bamboozled Hamilton once again!

Can anyone look up the definition of a streetwall?

markbarbera · #**925** Posted **Jun 5, 2011, 7:21 PM**

Well, after that last post, I am harkened to recall the poet Thomas Gray...

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.

DC1983 · #**926** Posted **Jun 6, 2011, 12:07 PM**

Remember when this project was delayed for months as developers claimed to have been working on a 'better' streetwall due to public outcry? More lip service? Amen! (the plans clearly did NOT change from the original sketch which was itself sketchy since it didn't show doors on bldgs)

Do they have any clue what a street wall is? Does Sam Merulla? Do City Planners?

I have a couple friends in this neighbourhood, some who moved for the cheaper housing stock, some for Ottawa St itself.. the only thing anyone likes about this development is the Metro grocery store (which btw was always a staple, err, 'Destination Store').

Meh.. whatev. If ppl are satisfied w/ mediocrity, I feel for you. Must be a boring life. How dare I dream for something better for this City!

LikeHamilton · #**927** Posted **Jun 24, 2011, 5:37 PM**

Demolition has started on the old Canadian Tire Store at “The Centre on Barton” (aka The Centre Mall). This is the last of the original buildings that where built for the original “Greater Hamilton Shopping Centre”. This started out as a Loblaws store until (I believe) the 80’s.

Redcliff Realty web site only shows a new 80,000 sq ft store on this site and without a tenant. That looks to be about a 1/3 bigger building then the old CTC store.

New stores being added are Mr Big & Tall, Tootsies Shoes, Ardene, Bonnie Togs, Reitmans, Ricki’s, Nygard and a Tim Hortons against Kenilworth with a log drive through.

Also from Redcliff

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SEVEN NEW TARGET ASSIGNMENTS FOR REDCLIFF SITES
01 June, 2011

Target Canada Corporation has selected an initial seven Redcliff Realty Group shopping centre sites for transition from Zellers outlets to Target stores by the end of 2013. The properties, located in Ontario, British Columbia and Quebec are:

• Centre on Barton, 1211 Barton Street East, Hamilton, ON

DC1983 · #**928** Posted **Jun 27, 2011, 1:06 PM**

I noticed a Wild Wings in this 'updated' site plan for the Redcliffe Management website: http://www.redcliffrealty.com/leasin...2011%20USE.pdf

Is this also new? I don't remember seeing it the last time I was at Popeyes! lol

markbarbera · #**929** Posted **Jun 27, 2011, 2:11 PM**

Wild Wings is not there yet - it's going to be across from Boston Pizza in the same block as the Shoppers Drugmart, but they haven't started construction on that building yet.

SteelTown · #**930** Posted **Jul 25, 2011, 7:25 PM**

They have a site plan for a new 88,000 sq ft building at Barton/Ottawa, which is about the same size of the Canadian Tire building.

DC1983 · #**931** Posted **Jul 25, 2011, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

They have a site plan for a new 88,000 sq ft building at Barton/Ottawa, which is about the same size of the Canadian Tire building.

Hmm.. Movie Theatre? *crosses fingers very hard*
(I'm assuming it'll be a generic BigBox retailer).

Has anyone heard any positive feedback on this project? Everyone I talk to (urbanist or not) HATES it!

SteelTown · #**932** Posted **Jul 25, 2011, 7:42 PM**

I can't tell based on the plan but it does include 776 parking spots for the building.

It has three loading docks so that would suggest it's not a theatre.

markbarbera · #**933** Posted **Jul 25, 2011, 8:15 PM**

The footprint and positioning of one entrance and multiple exits at various points does support the idea of a multiplex cinema. New SilverCity Hamilton Mountain has a very similar footprint include loading dock facilities.

bigguy1231 · #**934** Posted **Jul 26, 2011, 5:47 AM**

At that size it might also be a Home Depot.

markbarbera · #**935** Posted **Jul 26, 2011, 12:01 PM**

The possibility of a home improvement store crossed my mind too, but with a relatively new Home Depot at Centennial I would be surprised by another location here. I could see Rona possibly relocating here from their Parkdale location, although there isn't significant space for lumber.

The quantity of exits hints at a facility that requires a design to accommodate egress of a large number of people, which is why I am thinking theatre complex. Also, I do remember the developer mentioning a need to modify land use zoning for that site, so that hints at something outside of retail (seeing as retail was already zoned for the site).

As an aside, AMC is looking to expand their Canadian presence and doesn't have a presence in our market area. Just saying.

DC1983 · #**936** Posted **Jul 26, 2011, 12:07 PM**

I checked out the site plan on Redcliffe's website. The new building looks like a Home Depot, especially by looking at the front entrance.
That rectangular box, where Harveys/Second Cup is usually located.
Edit: Also, the western portion of the block looks to be a large outdoor garden centre, again, like Home Depot. <---- Lame!
EDIT: Check out this newer Home Depot and tell me it doesn't resemble the site plan: Google Maps
I just looked up the newer Rona mega-centre in Grimsby, and the floor-plan is identical. So it could be either or.

bigguy1231 · #**937** Posted **Jul 26, 2011, 3:53 PM**

The only reason I suggested Home Depot is that it would be a good fit in that location. The lower city, meaning the older part of the city is underserviced when it comes to the larger home improvement centres. Below the escarpment, there is nothing between Dundas and Parkdale Ave. on a large scale. This location is about as close as they can get to a central location in the lower city.

hammertime · #**938** Posted **Jul 30, 2011, 10:37 PM**

Three days ago I told a friend about this building and we entertained several ideas as to what this is. On friday where he works they announced that
WAL-MART bought the land. So it is going to be a WAL-MART-awesome!

Also I heard that the vacant space between Staples and Dollerama may be a
Winners clothing store.

SteelTown · #**939** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 3:42 PM**

Guess a Wal Mart would work.

The Wal Mart at Eastgate is suppose to relocate. But there's aleeady a grocery store at Centre, Metro.

BCTed · #**940** Posted **Jul 31, 2011, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

Guess a Wal Mart would work.

The Wal Mart at Eastgate is suppose to relocate. But there's aleeady a grocery store at Centre, Metro.

There is also already a discount department store at the Centre (Zellers/Target) and I believe that Wal-Mart works exclusively with SmartCentres on new developments. I understand that the Eastgate Wal-Mart is still on track to move north of the Home Depot on Centennial.

With all due respect to hammertime's friend, and in the absence of any additional information, I doubt that a Wal-Mart will be moving to the Centre.