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Old Posted Jul 21, 2011, 7:01 PM
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This is a very serious matter. These buildings should be saved. I wouldn't put any faith in developers or HRM to do the right thing here.

Look at this disaster on Barrington across from Cornwallis Park
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=...9f7_F5XLRHwx9TdrI3v5AA&cbp=12,300.1,,0,0

Look at this disaster on Hollis across from Cornwallis Park
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=...Nb1xBrIQZip2LlqdgZZ6Q&cbp=12,176.77,,0,0

Look at these two disasters on Barrington across from Cornwallis Park
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=HALIFAX&hl=...RoQq5c7L49YFPYt6NjGYg&cbp=12,241.15,,0,0

This could have been a grand Montreal style square/park but it is done Halifax style and looks like Highfield Park. When these brick buildings go and are replaced with more of the same crap our great planners will have wiped out an entire historic city block. HRMxDesign had the gall to show grand buildings where the Superstore is in their vision of this block. What kind of snow job is that....the Superstore is never leaving and what's even worse they were installing their gas bar when HRmxDesign was suggesting great buildings for the site.....how pathetic...but people sucked it up.
Yes, but the HT could never allow us to have any well designed buildings surrounding a park. They can only be shitty, squat, replicas of shit.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2011, 7:33 PM
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https://www.eastcoastcu.ca/SharedContent/documents/Dartmouth%20Construction_website%20summary.pdf

Credit Union on Ochterloney in Dartmouth, not sure if this has already been posted
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2011, 7:38 PM
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Credit Union on Ochterloney in Dartmouth, not sure if this has already been posted
What a hideous building.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2011, 12:23 AM
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What a hideous building.
Are those sandbags around the main entrance? More economical than fake brick, vinyl or cinder blocks.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2011, 1:34 PM
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That's funny. I thought there was another rendering floating around of the Ochterloney Credit Union. Something a bit more attractive. Work is well underway though. Drove by yesterday and steel is sticking up out of what is left of the old structure.
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 1:21 AM
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Geez the Octerloney Credit Union was ugly before the reno and apparently it's going to be ugly when they're done too.
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not sure if this is the place for this but this shows just how bad this problem has got, possibly one more business moving to the "burbs" how sad.

CH today:

Dealing with city hall a 'mind-bending experience'

By ROGER TAYLOR Business Columnist


Halifax businessman Michael Turner says he’s developed a whole new appreciation for the type of frustration developers must be encountering when dealing with city hall.

Turner, president of real estate counselling, evaluation and brokerage firm Turner Drake and Partners Ltd., says he’s been building and renovating mainly heritage buildings in Halifax for 31 years, and he’s never been more aggravated than by what he’s experienced recently, describing it as a "mind-bending experience."

In May, Turner says he acquired a property at the corner of Windsor and North streets that was until recently a real estate office. His plan was to renovate the building and simply connect it to Turner Drake’s existing offices at 6182 North St.

"It is a building that has been a target for vandals. (Century 21 Team One Real Estate Ltd.) was in there and had their windows smashed. And they put a graffiti wall up in an effort to appease the graffiti guys," Turner told me Monday.

He attempted to buy the building two years ago, he says, but the owners weren’t selling. He had all but given up trying to get the building and was investigating the possibility of moving his company to larger facilities in Burnside Park in Dartmouth.

He suspects the real estate company became discouraged. Out of the blue one Friday, Turner received a phone call from them asking if he still wanted to buy it.

"We said yes, and so we settled a deal with them within an hour."

The problems with the city started when Turner applied for a building permit, initially to renovate and raise the back of the building two storeys to allow it to be connected to the existing Turner Drake office. There was some push-back from the planning department.

But a carpenter friend suggested it would probably be easier to raze the building and replace it with another two-storey structure, this time with a full basement, since there was no historical significance to the building at the corner and it was such a target for graffiti.

"The issue really is that we wanted to put planters around the building (on two sides) and the planters on Windsor Street fall pretty well within the present encroachment of the existing building. The planters to North Street follow the line of our planters from our present building and the line of all of the gardens all the way down the street, and we’ve just gone round and round, round and round."

Putting planters in front of the building is an attempt to keep graffiti artists away and has been a very effective strategy at Turner Drake’s existing offices.

Turner insists that adding the planters to the building would be within the existing city bylaw, but he says the planning office simply doesn’t want planters included. Rather than staff simply approving the landscaping under the existing rules, Turner says, he’s been told he’d have to take the matter to city council for approval, which could take up to six months.

"What it boils down to is, nobody wants to make a decision because if they make a decision somebody might point the finger at ’em. They’re decision averse."

He presumes everyone who wants to build something in the city is having the same problem with the planning department over relatively minor issues.

"It’s no wonder that nobody wants to build anything."

Turner says he’s writing a letter to the planning department explaining his situation in one last attempt to resolve the problem.

"I’ve said in the letter that we’re starting to look again at Burnside. We would hate to leave our location but we need the space."

Another possibility, he says, is to expand Turner Drake’s Saint John, N.B., office and move some of the work and people currently in the Halifax office.
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the facade, brick, windows etc, on the Spring garden 'Dairy Queen' is being replaced.
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the empty lot next to the Company House on Gottingen has been excavated and footings are going in.
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the empty lot next to the Company House on Gottingen has been excavated and footings are going in.
What are they building there?
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2011, 1:15 PM
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What are they building there?
http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/arch...nal-housing-project-on-gottingen-street/

Transitional Housing, the initial plan looked good, but then it was revised.
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Transitional Housing, the initial plan looked good, but then it was revised.
Let me guess...it will look like this Gottingen St. crap?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=...x7tUn-0sg6kY3tyOHxWfg&cbp=12,233.19,,0,0

Or even worse, more like this Gottingen St. crap?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=...5xeHjyZd6E7Odult_oGcQ&cbp=12,233.19,,0,0

City planning staff seems to learn nothing from these horrid mistakes...WHY??
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neither of those are transitional housing, just low rent apartments
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2011, 3:33 AM
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neither of those are transitional housing, just low rent apartments
Is there a difference between low rent hidious apartments and hidious transitional housing?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2011, 11:59 AM
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Is there a difference between low rent hidious apartments and hidious transitional housing?
Yes sometimes those who build transitional housing and those who live in transitional housing make more of an effort, than do those of low rent housing. Not always, but often. Transitional housing is often run by non-profits and there is often a commitmnet to the community. When I worked in group homes, we didn't keep up with the Jonses, we had to keep ahead of them.
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Yes sometimes those who build transitional housing and those who live in transitional housing make more of an effort, than do those of low rent housing. Not always, but often. Transitional housing is often run by non-profits and there is often a commitmnet to the community. When I worked in group homes, we didn't keep up with the Jonses, we had to keep ahead of them.
Do you have any examples of transitional housing units?

Where do these fit in the mix?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=...s3QhspW6wRLd_-qfvMfkAQ&cbp=12,87.23,,0,0
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DJ posted a rendering of this from Dawn Sloane's website a couple of months ago. See the Development Rumours thread post #964.
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Do you have any examples of transitional housing units?

Where do these fit in the mix?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=halifax&hl=...s3QhspW6wRLd_-qfvMfkAQ&cbp=12,87.23,,0,0
the thing with a lot of transitional housing is that it's meant to provide some anonymity for people and almost be invisible; so I won't point out places. I'm not sure what the above location is, but it looks OK.
The one being built was to have commercial space on the main floor, and then 3 floors of apartments and a rooftop patio. Then it was changed, no commercial on main floor, and no rooftop patio. I don't know if the design changed much, but I liked the original drawings.
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the thing with a lot of transitional housing is that it's meant to provide some anonymity for people and almost be invisible; so I won't point out places. I'm not sure what the above location is, but it looks OK.
The one being built was to have commercial space on the main floor, and then 3 floors of apartments and a rooftop patio. Then it was changed, no commercial on main floor, and no rooftop patio. I don't know if the design changed much, but I liked the original drawings.
The development is too small for Gottingen St.. An effort should be made for larger developments that incorporate transitional/affordable housing units. Valuable real estate is not being used for its highest and best use in this area.
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Apparently things like ground-floor retail and mixed incomes are seen as "frills". Normally groups behind these developments don't seem to appreciate the importance of improving the neighbourhood (hint: you want your low-income housing in a nice neighbourhood, not a ghetto), and the city doesn't even remotely seem to have it together enough to advocate for good urban design.

There's a general lack of creativity in many circles as well. It's odd because there are local universities, many local architects and so forth but the results of these developments are usually awful. Why aren't there better plans, like medium-sized mixed-income developments with some transitional housing, some condos for new buyers, and some mid-range units on top? The government subsidy would mean that the market-rate units could be subsidized (to offset the fact that they are in a building with transitional housing) a little and then the shared construction costs and amenities would make the whole development cheaper.

My guess is that the municipal and provincial bureaucracies make more elaborate plans impossible (see: Jazz -- trying to even build a routine condo in Halifax is like Russian roulette), but I am not really sure.
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