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Old Posted Jun 14, 2011, 5:45 PM
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Gee, with all this NDP support for the convention centre, this should put the kiss of death on the whole project!

haha yeah yeah..sigh
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2011, 7:32 PM
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Provincial Infrastructure Minister Bill Estabrooks said last month that Ramia was considering his options.
"At this stage, he’s asked that we step back for a few weeks," Estabrooks said. "I want to be respectful of Joe Ramia as the developer, and at this time I’m going to allow him a few more weeks of thinking over his alternatives."
Interesting comment there if one is into reading tea leaves.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2011, 7:48 PM
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Interesting comment there if one is into reading tea leaves.
It will sad if he ends up building whatever he otherwise would have before the government approached him a couple of years ago. The government would effectively be responsible for nothing more than holding back development of those two blocks.

It's really painful reading this from Vancouver. Since I've moved here they've built a subway line, added a temporary stadium, they're putting a roof on the other one, there's a new convention centre, etc. It's all kind of analogous to Halifax except things actually get done. At the end of the day Vancouver doesn't have a lot of advantages like oil money or whatever else (obviously it is larger but all of these projects are scaled appropriately -- the subway line was over $1B and the convention centre came it at over $800M). I think the biggest difference is that it's just more competently run.
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Does anybody think Leslie may now be supporting this... knowing that now her support may hurt the project? Or at least that she can't be called out as a non-supporter if it doesn't happen?
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Does anybody think Leslie may now be supporting this... knowing that now her support may hurt the project? Or at least that she can't be called out as a non-supporter if it doesn't happen?
It takes special talent to have a negative impact by being supportive.
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2011, 4:12 AM
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It takes special talent to have a negative impact by being supportive.
Yes, a very unique talent... The person has to have such outlandish POVs that the only logical thing is to support the opposite of whatever their opinion is.

For example, if someone stated every development downtown should be 3 stories tall, I'm certainly going to question if they suddenly support a 30 story development.

If I was Harper, I would be wondering why I'm getting a 2 different letters from the same person... with dramatically different POVs...
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Oh yeah, and think of the children!
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Part of me thinks that it is purely that, with a larger caucus and with Chisolm now thrown into the local mix, she has been "outvoted" and told that the local NDP MPs are going to support their provincial counterparts.

However, there is another part of me that wonders if she now thinks it is low risk to support this given the hints that Ramia may be dropping this and heading in another direction anyway. Maybe she knows more about that (via the NS NDP caucus) than we do.

Regardless, the apparent 180 doesn't exactly make her look decisive. I wonder how Bousqet will respond to that letter, given that he has previously been kissing her ass in his articles for years.
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I just want a yay or nay at this point!

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The first picture just proves my point that the graphic that STV came up with is wrong and doesn't factor in the change of grade.
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This story was in the metronews:

(source: http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/894574--dexter-to-meet-with-harper)
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Published: June 20, 2011 1:00 a.m.
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Nova Scotia Premier Darrell Dexter will meet with Prime Minister Stephen Harper today.

Dexter will stop in Ottawa on the way back from speaking at the federal NDP convention in Vancouver on Saturday.

He’ll be meeting with Harper on a range of topics, including the Lower Churchill Falls hydroelectric project, immigration and the new regional venture-capital fund with New Brunswick. Dexter’s director of communications, Shawn Fuller, also said the premier intends to thank Harper for his commitment to a merit-based, arms-length shipbuilding-procurement process.
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Of course, other projects like the proposed convention centre and the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy contracts are also in intergovernmental limbo.

The June 15 deadline for an agreement on the convention centre project — the third of such deadlines — passed without word from the federal government.
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It will be a small miracle if we get funding for the Convention Centre. If we do, it will be noted that the Harper Feds gave the NDP one thorough and prolonged public spanking over it!
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Convention centre focus of chat with PM
Dexter expects decision on proposed convention centre in ‘near future’ Premier says Harper ‘very relaxed’ in first post-election meeting together
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* “We now are able to map out how we’re going to proceed with each one of these projects.” – Premier Darrell Dexter

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Published: June 21, 2011 12:46 a.m.
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Premier Darrel Dexter said he had a constructive meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper yesterday — a meeting devoted to reiterating the importance of a number of big-ticket items the province is waiting on for a federal commitment.

Dexter said the conversation ranged from the proposed downtown convention centre, to the National Shipbuilding Pro­cure­ment Strategy, to the Lower Churchill Falls hydroelectric project.

“This was really a forward-looking meeting. We were looking to a number of issues that affect both the province and the federal government,” Dexter told Metro last night.

The proposed convention centre, now five months overdue for an agreement between the three levels of government, figured prominently in their discussions.

“I had the opportunity to reiterate that we have a very patient developer who has been holding on to that property now for some time,” Dexter said, “and that it was really incumbent upon us to be in a position to give him a final answer on this project in the very near future.”

Dexter said he came away with the impression that the project will have a decision in the “fairly near future.”

“We cannot expect the developer to continue to absorb the cost of holding that property for very much longer,” said Dexter.

“The prime minister certainly understood that, and as I said, I can’t speak to directly to what the prime minister said to me … but I certainly got the impression that he very much understood what the position of the province and the developer was.”

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From CBC online...

Some days I wish Halifax could be like this...

Saint John Convention Centre to get facelift
CBC News Posted: Jun 30, 2011 2:07 PM AT Last Updated: Jun 30, 2011 2:07 PM

The Saint John Trade and Convention Centre is getting a $10 million facelift in order to compete against the Fredericton Convention Centre and Casino New Brunswick in Moncton.

Local politicians and people in the tourism industry say the city-owned meeting place is stuck in the 1980s, and it doesn't compete with more technologically advanced buildings.

Rick Schmidt, of Conventional Wisdom Corp. in Florida, helped re-design the building over the last six years.

"When this was built 30 years ago, there were fairly simple needs and since that time, technology has shifted and the educational requirements for meetings have changed," Schmidt said Thursday.

"Technology has become more personal to where we have more horsepower in our Smartphones than launched the space shuttle and everyone needs their connectivity."

Schmidt said the building represents the city, and there will also be aesthetic changes made to make it more attractive.

"This is all about hospitality. You're inviting someone into your living room and putting on a good party for them and that has to reflect the values of the community as well as be a commercially viable entity," he said.

The convention and trade business brings $10 million to the community each year, Schmidt said.

The new design is ready to go to tender, he said, and once it is awarded, construction could start within 90 days and be complete in four months.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2011, 6:33 PM
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Found this in the CH's opinion section

A very interesting letter in the opinion section of the CH. I posted it here because she makes a great point about the convention centre.

Sunday shopping wrangling was a lesson in how to impede progress

By VALERIE PAYN
Sun, Jul 3 - 4:54 AM
It has been nearly five years since Sunday shopping became a reality in Nova Scotia and I am happy to report that the world has not come to an end.

The removal of the regulations that prevented most, but not all retailers, from serving their customers on specified days of the year, and most famously on Sunday, was a long-fought battle for the chamber of commerce and a number of other organizations. The chamber is often credited with the victory of Sunday shopping, and while we are happy to accept the credit, we were simply the last man standing at the end of a long battle.

The long debate that led up to the October 2006 repeal of The Retail Business Uniform Closing Day Act was punctuated by predictions of societal collapse, family breakdown, and general lawlessness. When would we rest? How could we spend time with our families? What about the employees who would be forced to work seven days a week?

Now, years later, it seems the only fallout from having the ability to shop on Sunday is recent reports from grocery stores that Sunday has become their busiest day. Given that per capita expenditure (adjusted for inflation) has not increased, it appears also that the opportunity to shop an extra day has not driven people to purchase what they don’t need any more than they did before. They can just do it at a time that is more convenient for them.

This only further proves that the real issue may never have really been about Sunday shopping, but rather about the irrational fear of change and an unhealthy habit of deferring to those who object to change. We often hear that not listening to the concerns of all groups who wish to express them is "undemocratic." I would submit that allowing the opinions of a small minority to trump the wishes of the majority is the real crisis in our democracy.

Downtown development, a new convention centre, and a smaller municipal council are all issues that have been supported by the majority, but that have been held up by the fear-mongering delay tactics of a minority special-interest group whose primary weapon is the politeness of the rest of us and, in its most extreme, an apathy brought on by sheer exhaustion with the debate.

Let Sunday shopping be a lesson: first, that change is not to be feared, and if done right, will be a good thing. Second, that minority opposition groups, while allowed their say, should not be allowed to use our preference for fairness to get their way over the wishes of the majority.

Valerie Payn is president and CEO, Halifax Chamber of Commerce.
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I agree with that.
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People in the Maritimes are way more opposed to change than people in other parts of Canada. I think it's a real problem that has held the region back.

Part of the issue is that the people who do want growth and change simply leave, so the region is left with a disproportionate number of naysayers happily nestled in whatever rut they carved out for themselves 30 years ago.

When it comes to the convention centre specifically I'm not terribly optimistic.
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I tought we were supposed to hear an answear soon about this???? kinda givin' up on this one , just seems like another lost opertunity for halifax....
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This story was posted on March 23, 2011. If such a strong case for the convention centre was presented then why has there been no movement on it (that we know of)?

I think the Tories should be asked to explain their position and why they are delaying funding. There entire convention centre process has been an extremely political affair from both a provincial and federal perspective.

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Federal election to freeze Atlantic projects: MacKay
Election would delay financing of Lower Churchill project
The Canadian Press Posted: Mar 23, 2011 10:18 AM AT Last Updated: Mar 23, 2011 10:18 AM AT Back to accessibility links
Supporting Story ContentStory Sharing ToolsShare with Add This Print this story E-mail this story End of Supporting Story ContentBack to accessibility links Beginning of Story ContentDefence Minister Peter MacKay is warning a federal election will put key decisions on Atlantic Canadian megaprojects "on pause."

MacKay told a business audience in Halifax Wednesday morning that in particular a request for federal funding to assist with construction of a $159-million convention centre in Halifax won't take place if the government falls this week.

MacKay said a very strong case has been made to Ottawa to assist with $47 million for the convention centre.

Last week, the province said it was hoping for a decision prior to an election, and Nova Scotia's minister of transportation predicted a federal decision was imminent.

MacKay says the convention centre and other projects that are key to the region's economy are going to be affected by the timing of a federal election.

He says any commitment to assist with the financing of a subsea cable to carry electricity from Labrador's Lower Churchill Falls hydroelectricity project to Nova Scotia would also be further delayed.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2011, 10:53 PM
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In the next couple of days we will have an answer on this project.
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