YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 181

incognism · #**3601** Posted **Jun 27, 2011, 5:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by satishreddy

Canada and Singapore signed a new air services bilateral in 2007. See

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/releases-nat-2007-07-h213e-3274.htm

Quote from above site:

The agreement is a modern framework for air services that permits any number of air carriers from either country to operate non-stop passenger and all-cargo scheduled air services as frequently as desired, between any city in Canada and Singapore.

I believe (take this with a grain of salt) that Singapore wanted to increase the frequency of SIN-ICN-YVR from 3 per week to daily, but were not given permission. They can fly nonstop SIN-YVR as many times as they like under the new bilateral, but I don't think they can make money on that routing. As far as I know, in North America, they only fly non-stop between SIN and LAX and SIN and Newark. I don't think they even fly non-stop SIN -SFO.

SQ operates SQ1/2 SFO-HKG-SFO.

deasine · #**3602** Posted **Jun 27, 2011, 9:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by satishreddy

The agreement is a modern framework for air services that permits any number of air carriers from either country to operate non-stop passenger and all-cargo scheduled air services as frequently as desired, between any city in Canada and Singapore.

I believe (take this with a grain of salt) that Singapore wanted to increase the frequency of SIN-ICN-YVR from 3 per week to daily, but were not given permission. They can fly nonstop SIN-YVR as many times as they like under the new bilateral, but I don't think they can make money on that routing. As far as I know, in North America, they only fly non-stop between SIN and LAX and SIN and Newark. I don't think they even fly non-stop SIN -SFO.

Well that's the thing, they can't increase services on their stopover routes, and yes, I believe LAX and EWR are their only direct routes to North America. There's no way SQ can be making any money without stopovers.

trofirhen · #**3603** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 10:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

WestJet has "aspirations to become a much bigger player in the transborder markets," Saretsky said. "We want to feed traffic into our network from all geographies around the world."

"India specifically is an important point for us," he said.

It's also a market that rival Air Canada (AC.B.T) has set its sights on, although the airline is waiting to take delivery of the Boeing 787 before introducing routes to India.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110614-706904.html

Glad to see Westjet developing some real muscle, and attempting to crack the long-haul overseas market. The better they can compete with Air Toronto, the happier I'll be.

hollywoodnorth · #**3604** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 1:05 PM**

silly question .... what 747 served routes does YVR have? if any?

LeftCoaster · #**3605** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 1:36 PM**

Doesn't Cathay still have a whackload of them? I'd imagine they would still fly them to YVR.

vanlaw · #**3606** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 1:59 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

silly question .... what 747 served routes does YVR have? if any?

BA to Heathrow.

LeftCoaster · #**3607** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 2:00 PM**

Just took a look on wiki out of curiosity. Out of the cariers that fly to Vancouver several of them operate 747s:

Air China
Air New Zealand
British Airways
Korean Air
Lufthansa
KLM
Phillipine Airlines

Out of all of those I would imagine at least one or two would service YVR with a 747.

Bigtime · #**3608** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 2:19 PM**

Going by memory KLM operates the MD-11 to YVR, and Lufthansa is usually the A340-300 or -600 series.

Hourglass · #**3609** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 3:34 PM**

BA still regularly flies the 744 into YVR.

Cathay flies their 744s into Vancouver on one of their daily flights, but only during peak seasons, I think. For the flight that continues to New York, they use the B777.

idunno · #**3610** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 4:05 PM**

Does JAL not fly YVR-NRT on a 747 anymore?

incognism · #**3611** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 4:37 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

silly question .... what 747 served routes does YVR have? if any?

On the current schedule:

BA YVR-LHR
CX YVR-HKG (not every day)

NZ YVR-AKL operated with a 744 3x weekly for a few months last winter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hourglass

BA still regularly flies the 744 into YVR.

Cathay flies their 744s into Vancouver on one of their daily flights, but only during peak seasons, I think. For the flight that continues to New York, they use the B777.

For CX838/839, which is the afternoon flight that does not go onwards to JFK, it alternates between a A343 and a 744, depending on the day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by idunno

Does JAL not fly YVR-NRT on a 747 anymore?

They used to. It was operated by a 777 this winter, and now on a 767 for the current summer schedule.

satishreddy · #**3612** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 4:44 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Just took a look on wiki out of curiosity. Out of the cariers that fly to Vancouver several of them operate 747s:

Air China
Air New Zealand
British Airways
Korean Air
Lufthansa
KLM
Phillipine Airlines

Out of all of those I would imagine at least one or two would service YVR with a 747.

Here is my understanding of the aircraft types flown to Vancouver. Please correct as necessary.

Air China typically sends the A330 for their 12 flights a week. I have seen the Air China B747 on a rare occasion

Air NZ flies the B777-200 during our summer and the B747 during our winter

British Airways flies B747 on all their flights

Korean Air flies the B777-200. In the peak summer, they might use the B747-400

Lufthansa flies the A340-300 during the winter and the A340-600 during the summer

KLM flies the A330 and the MD-11

Philippine Airlines flies the A340-300 and the B777-300ER

EVA Airlines flies the B747-400. I have seen the B777-300ER on a few occasions.

China Airlines flies the A340-300

Japan Airlines now flies the B767-300. Used to fly the B747-400.

Cathay Pacific flies the A340-300, B777-300ER and the B747-400

China Eastern flies the A340-300

China Southern flies the B777-200

For overseas (Europe, Australia, Asia) Air Canada flies the A330, B767-300, B777-300ER, and the B777-200L

deasine · #**3613** Posted **Jun 28, 2011, 10:27 PM**

China Airlines actually flies 747s to YVR now. They've changed their aircraft ever since the summer really as they moved their 340s operations to Australia instead. EVA generally uses their 747s, but yes 777s is occasionally seen.

Johnny Aussie · #**3614** Posted **Jun 29, 2011, 12:39 AM**

^^

Pretty thorough analysis!

Might as well add:

Condor 763

Edelweiss flies both the 332 and the 333

Air Berlin 332 - also noted they are increasing their DUS flights to 3 weekly from late July through early October.

Thomas Cook 332

Air Transat 332 (also 310 during the winter scheds)

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A couple of clarifications...

NZ is actually going to increase frequency next winter to 4 weekly 772, replacing a mix of 772 and 744. Overall this is a slight increase in capacity.

KL tends to fly M11 in the summer (daily) and 332 in the winter (5 weekly).

JL to continue daily 763. They were showing a return to the 772 for the upcoming winter, but, not surprisingly, that has been reversed back to the 763. JAL's 744s are all gone.

MU sometimes flies the 346 as well.

And as deasine(^) says, CI has been flying 744s lately.

hollywoodnorth · #**3615** Posted **Jun 29, 2011, 9:56 AM**

thanks for the info guys!

Johnny Aussie · #**3616** Posted **Jul 1, 2011, 7:35 AM**

^
All this talk about 744s and I just read on airlineroute.net...

Korean Air boosting the daily YVR-ICN to a daily 744 from 22 Jul to 24 Sep. That is a pretty big boost up from a daily 772. Must be some significant demand to boost every flight of the week to a 744. Good to see that.

officedweller · #**3617** Posted **Jul 2, 2011, 12:08 AM**

YVR is moving ahead with its office park at Templeton Station:

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Business+park+hotel+planned+Island/5022131/story.html

Quote:

METRO VANCOUVER - The Vancouver Airport Authority plans to start construction next year on a $250-million business park and hotel on Sea Island next to the Canada Line's Templeton station.

The six-building business park will be constructed on a 13-hectare site adjacent to a new 2,500space park-and-ride facility for YVR employees and a Canada Post mail-processing plant that's slated to open in 2014.

"We see this as drawing the airport closer to the downtown business community," Raymond Segat, YVR's director, cargo and business development, said Tuesday about the project, called the Sea Island Business Park. "Our planning shows for 800,000 square feet of office space and a hotel of 250 rooms."

The airport authority is looking for expressions of interest from an architect to design the project, which would consist of buildings four to eight storeys in height and be built by about 2020.
...

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giallo · #**3618** Posted **Jul 2, 2011, 3:46 AM**

I'm doing Icheon to Vancouver on Korean Air later this month. I've never flown with KA before, so I don't really know what to expect. Has anyone done that route? What are the planes like? Do you get your own TV?

mr.x · #**3619** Posted **Jul 2, 2011, 10:00 AM**

http://www.aerbt.co.uk/article/2648

trofirhen · #**3620** Posted **Jul 2, 2011, 11:28 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by giallo

I'm doing Icheon to Vancouver on Korean Air later this month. I've never flown with KA before, so I don't really know what to expect. Has anyone done that route? What are the planes like? Do you get your own TV?

I flew on KA twice: Seoul to Vancouver, and Seoul to London - but that's some years ago, and it was economy class, so things may have changed since then. If you're going business class you might get your own TV, but to me, it was much like any other airline.