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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 3:57 AM
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I'm with Phil. Once again, if you go to NY, the 'hoods anyone wants to hang in (Greenwich Village, SoHo, Tribeca, Chelsea, the LES in general, Billyburg) are NOT high-rise. They are not even medium-rise in most cases. Conversely, Wall St. and mid-town tend toward concrete, sterility and emptiness evenings and weekends.

Most of these hoods have sprung up from abandoned warehouses and marginal areas which are attractive BECAUSE they are low-rise and on a human scale. They can be converted to human use, where big projects can't.
But you can't be making the case that 6 floors is better than a high-rise (if you had to choose)?

This near-anti-highrise movement here in the LA Forum has gotten downright silly......

I mean, really, why are we calling this place "SkyscraperPage" anymore? Why not "UrbanPage"?

And most of the buildings in historic district are around 12 stories, not 6.

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Btw, even in mid-town, 6 story buildings far outnumber high-rise.
The only reason why this might POSSIBLY be the case is because of Clinton. Anything east of 8th Ave. is primarily high-rises, and far exceeds 6 stories.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 4:18 AM
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hmmm

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But you can't be making the case that 6 floors is better than a high-rise (if you had to choose)?

This near-anti-highrise movement here in the LA Forum has gotten downright silly......

I mean, really, why are we calling this place "SkyscraperPage" anymore? Why not "UrbanPage"?

And most of the buildings in historic district are around 12 stories, not 6.



The only reason why this might POSSIBLY be the case is because of Clinton. Anything east of 8th Ave. is primarily high-rises, and far exceeds 6 stories.
i think people still want their sun haha i honestly can care less about sunlight hitting the streets.. i don't see how it's a problem at all... i mean it still gonna be bright wether the building blocks ONE SMALL A$$ SECTION or not... its not a big deal. get over it. go to public squares, parks and plazas for sun... or better yet.. go to the freakin beach... we have one.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 4:29 AM
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I don't think anyone is saying that a highrise is worse than 6 floors. At least I wasn't saying this. I was saying that highrises come when the value of the land makes it profitable to do so. Land value goes up when lots of people or business frequent a spot. Lots that are used just for parking do not help land values. They do not help highrises happen. 6 story buildings, on the other hand, inject much needed people into an area, aid the development of restaurants, dry cleaners, bars, etc that ultimately drive more development.

Refurbishment of old and empty or underused buildings also helps for the same reason. When parking lots are few and far between then we're likely to see that land value rise and new development or redevelopment of highrises is far more likely to happen.

So if my choices are between 6 floors and a parking lot...6 floors will almost always win.

If my choices are between 6 floors and 20...well, I'll have to see the designs, how they meet the street and what the streets themselves are able to support, what the ground floor retail options are etc. Also, architecture will matter a lot more in a choice between 6 and 20 floors.
     
     
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Yeah if it's a choice between parking lots/structures or 6 story buildings, i'd have the latter.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 4:57 AM
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Great! Will this be a new tallest for L.A.
Yep.

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It looks like it is close to 80 floors. Or, am I way off?
65 Floors.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 6:42 AM
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Thanks for the bar suggestion guys. We ended up at Dublins and it was perfect. Doesnt matter where you sit, theres a TV closer to your face then your living room at home....exactly what I wanted.

Also, the atmosphere was great, the staff was extremely friendly (and accommodating, we had a 19 year old in our group) and every single TV had the game on.

Anyway, we went to Staples center after and the walk there was good, lots of people, even those not going to the concert (walking the other way). LA Live was very active, and the sidewalks there were packed. Crossing the street felt like manhattan with such large groups of people going in different directions.

Leaving the cocnert at 11pm was also great. The amount of light and color was fantastic. Really blows away people's impression of "downtown is dead after 4pm" that used to exist.


Now, not all was good.
Cons:
We were able to park 2 blocks away for $5 in a 6 story parking garage that was less than 50% full. On a Saturday night. On the night of a sold out staples center event and bars bursting with gold cup fans.

Why is that a con? It shows there's a huge excess of parking supply. Empty spaces are good for no one. They jack up the price of buildings and kill the street (with all the curb cut entrances).

Con 2:
Because left turn are permissive (no red arrow), people line up in the intersection to turn left, and many can only do so after the red light. Because the intersection is so wide, multiple cars line up. So when we got the pedestrian walk light, 6 cars still came zooming past to make left turns, and because it's a one way street, they were going for every lane. Very dangerous. Pedestrian walk light should me "no conflict" not "watch the hell out for speeding cars".

On a different intersection, the countdown reached zero....and then 15 seconds passed before the cars got red. That's one way to train people to disrespect the signals. Remember, the laws say to treat broken traffic signals as stop signs. And if as a pedestrian you dont see walk in any direction for 15+ seconds, it appears to be broken.



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Name a single city over 1,000,000 residents that has NO traffic? I'm jet talking reality and reasonableness. If you want to be in a place of no traffic, I'd recommend you move to Des Moines, Bismarck, Duluth, Santa Fe, etc....

LA needs more rail alternatives like NY, Chicago, London, Paris etc.... We've already achieved the same traffic levels as those cities....
Venice?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 3:24 PM
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I don't think I really disagree much, just pointing out that high-rises do not make a more livable city. Usually, the best 'hoods are low-rise with some medium-rise mixed in. Downtown's 12 stories is about the limit for keeping a human scale. There really are very few buildings taller than that in any part of NY that you would care to live in.

Not that it matters, but check out 51st St., between 1st and 3rd. This is fairly typical of the east 40's and 50's. Plenty of medium and high rise, but the majority of buildings are under 6. Several appear to be 3 or 4 story. And this is mid-town East. Clinton (Hell's Kitchen to us oldsters) is of course less high-rise as are the "livable" neighborhoods where most of the nightlife occurs.

If the demand for high-rise exists in LA, then build them. But I don't see the point (or economics) of building high-rise pretty much anywhere in Westlake, Universtiy Park, E. Hollywood, etc., other than a couple of blocks around Wilshire. Plunking a 40 story at Alvarado and 3rd helps the neighborhood how? On the other hand, 6 or 8 6-story buildings would do the 'hood a ton of good.
     
     
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Don't forget, there are highrises planned for the Historic Core. Barry Shy has a 40 story building planned, and Zen is supposed to go up at some point.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 6:28 PM
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I would say high-rise is good pretty much anywhere DT, from Bunker Hill to Washington and Alameda. But I can see some in Jtown or the arts district wanting to preserve some moderate height limits.
     
     
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Don't forget, there are highrises planned for the Historic Core. Barry Shy has a 40 story building planned, and Zen is supposed to go up at some point.
Anyone know that status of Zen?
     
     
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Anyone know that status of Zen?
I heard that Zen is not dead, looking for financing, and may become "work force" housing, with employees making less than a certain threshold. Not sure what though. But it may pencil out since there are tons of middle class people that could be considered "work force" like white collar professionals, receptionists, teachers, brokers, real estate agents, etc.

I hope we hear something OFFICIAL sometime soon!
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I was in downtown yesterday and noticed that The Met (not the Met Lofts...the gay pride apartment building) has been painted. Gone are the rainbow balconies and ugly grayish color and it's now a dark gray (almost black) color. It looks like a brand new building. It looks so much better with the windows. The windows make the new paint job pop.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2011, 8:39 PM
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I was in downtown yesterday and noticed that The Met (not the Met Lofts...the gay pride apartment building) has been painted. Gone are the rainbow balconies and ugly grayish color and it's now a dark gray (almost black) color. It looks like a brand new building. It looks so much better with the windows. The windows make the new paint job pop.

Funny, I saw the same thing yesterday and covered it on my blog


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hmm =/

Does anyone know what happened to St. Vibiana lofts? also the City house and olympic?? those two towers are beautiful with their new beaux arts architecture..
     
     
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Does anyone know what happened to St. Vibiana lofts? also the City house and olympic?? those two towers are beautiful with their new beaux arts architecture..
St Vibiana Lofts (hopefully not lofts and more traditional condo units with bedrooms) is now without financing. The City House and Olympic towers were never going to happen.
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Does anyone know what happened to St. Vibiana lofts? also the City house and olympic?? those two towers are beautiful with their new beaux arts architecture..
The City House and Olympic are pretty much dead. Not that they had much chance of ever being built anyway. And thankfully for that too. They were really very ugly and not right for downtown. They would be perfect in Beverly Hills or someplace near there.
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St Vibiana Lofts (hopefully not lofts and more traditional condo units with bedrooms) is now without financing. The City House and Olympic towers were never going to happen.
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The City House and Olympic are pretty much dead Not that they had much chance of ever being built anyway. And thankfully for that too. They were really very ugly and not right for downtown. They would be perfect in Beverly Hills or someplace near there.
how? beaux arts is built all over downtown.

hey san franciscans really hated the transamerica pyramid before it got built, lots of opposition... but they built it anyway and now they treasure that building. Maybe it justs looks ugly in pictures?? idk =/ i thought it was pretty.

plus the skyline needs diversity =D
     
     
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how? beaux arts is built all over downtown.

hey san franciscans really hated the transamerica pyramid before it got built, lots of opposition... but they built it anyway and now they treasure that building. Maybe it justs looks ugly in pictures?? idk =/ i thought it was pretty.

plus the skyline needs diversity =D
Beaux arts is all over downtown because it was built during the time where cities all over the US was building that style of building. Fast forward 80 years later to a time where no one builds like that and propose 2 buildings that are not even good beaux arts designs to begin with be built in an area of downtown not far from LA Live and all of that. If they were maybe 30 stories and built in Beverly Hills then that would be perfect. BH loves that kind of tacky shit.
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I heard that Zen is not dead, looking for financing, and may become "work force" housing, with employees making less than a certain threshold. Not sure what though. But it may pencil out since there are tons of middle class people that could be considered "work force" like white collar professionals, receptionists, teachers, brokers, real estate agents, etc.

I hope we hear something OFFICIAL sometime soon!
I hope 'work force' means the middle class you are referring to, and not the lower class people who used to be the only ones living downtown. Say what you will, but the recent influx if middle class has helped downtown more then anything else as, frankly, they have higher-end taste and demand things like trendy restaurants, nice grocery stores, and higher end retail.
     
     
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