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Old Posted Jun 23, 2011, 12:28 AM
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The premise of what they want to have sounds a lot better than the brownfields that currently exsist in that area...
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2011, 11:37 AM
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wow. and lrt'sfriend complains about the infinite segmenting of the transit plan (Phase I, with its 3 "increments" etc.), but Claridge is worse by a factor of 2.5: their project is just Phase I of the Lebreton Flats redevelopment, and Claridge have segmented that into EIGHT (?!) phases of their own, eight phases that they now only project to complete in ten-fifteen years? good grief. not for the last time, McC wonders when in the heck the NCC will start making noises about offering up THEIR Phases II and III to other developers to try and light a little fire under Claridge.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2011, 12:50 PM
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wow. and lrt'sfriend complains about the infinite segmenting of the transit plan (Phase I, with its 3 "increments" etc.), but Claridge is worse by a factor of 2.5: their project is just Phase I of the Lebreton Flats redevelopment, and Claridge have segmented that into EIGHT (?!) phases of their own, eight phases that they now only project to complete in ten-fifteen years? good grief. not for the last time, McC wonders when in the heck the NCC will start making noises about offering up THEIR Phases II and III to other developers to try and light a little fire under Claridge.
Is Claridge the one holding up Lebreton or is it the NCC with their strict design standards? Looking at Claridge's other projects, they usually get projects started pretty quickly. I don't see why they would want to take their time on this project. Smells like the NCC to me.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2011, 12:52 PM
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My guess is that phases 2 and 3 (of the entire LeBreton masterplan) are really dependent on the transit plan being finalized, especially Phase 2 which requires the rebuilding of Booth Street and a new bridge over the aqueduct integrated with the transit station. It's hard to plan appropriately when the city is dragging its feet on the keystone issue.
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Is Claridge the one holding up Lebreton or is it the NCC with their strict design standards? Looking at Claridge's other projects, they usually get projects started pretty quickly. I don't see why they would want to take their time on this project. Smells like the NCC to me.
I'm pretty sure that this actually is Claridge. They can make more money releasing the condos over time and controlling demand, especially since they currently have a monopoly over the site.

I do think you're correct that the NCC may be waiting for some of the transit plan implementation, but I'm not sure that they should be. Phases II and III (NCC) could be broken into smaller chunks and tendered. Certainly constructing the blocks that are to be south of Wellington across from the Commons (ie, where Bluesfest happens) could be built without impacting the transit corridor whatsoever.

Claridge has already been working on their part of Lebreton for over 5 years. If the other Phases are only released when Claridge is done and if they each took 20 years, then we're not looking at a complete Lebreton development until 2066. That is absurd, ridiculous, and completely unacceptable, especially when one considers that the original NCC plan had the entire development slated to be complete this decade.
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I'm pretty sure that this actually is Claridge. They can make more money releasing the condos over time and controlling demand, especially since they currently have a monopoly over the site.

I do think you're correct that the NCC may be waiting for some of the transit plan implementation, but I'm not sure that they should be. Phases II and III (NCC) could be broken into smaller chunks and tendered. Certainly constructing the blocks that are to be south of Wellington across from the Commons (ie, where Bluesfest happens) could be built without impacting the transit corridor whatsoever.

Claridge has already been working on their part of Lebreton for over 5 years. If the other Phases are only released when Claridge is done and if they each took 20 years, then we're not looking at a complete Lebreton development until 2066. That is absurd, ridiculous, and completely unacceptable, especially when one considers that the original NCC plan had the entire development slated to be complete this decade.
You're absolutely right. I think though, there is also a risk to these projects when there is too much supply. High vacancy rates could really hinder growth - as counter intuitive as that may seem to most. I think Claridge's Phase III will be that point where we will start to see demand increase more quickly following. Remember that demand in Phase I was very poor (relatively), and demand for Phase II only picked up once it started coming out of the ground.

The area feels more alive now, and it is that which I think will increase demand, and hence why I feel that Phase III be the boost that's really needed to turn this into a community.

With regards to the empty blocks, the agreement between Claridge and the NCC may be preventing those places from being developed until a certain date, or even until Claridge has completed their portion.
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Phases II and III (NCC) could be broken into smaller chunks and tendered. Certainly constructing the blocks that are to be south of Wellington across from the Commons (ie, where Bluesfest happens) could be built without impacting the transit corridor whatsoever.
And also could be built without impacting the supply/demand equation for Claridge's condos (raised by K-133 -- good points btw), because those lots are mostly planned for office buildings IIRC? Building those blocks in the near term would do a lot for mitigating the impact of Bluesfest and other festivals on the existing neighbourhood (noise screening, etc) while making that stretch of the ORP/Wellington and attending festivals there much much more attractive!

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Old Posted Aug 5, 2011, 8:08 PM
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Here's an article from OBJ about the Lebreton Flats development

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Claridge files site plan for LeBreton condo's third phase



Published on August 5, 2011

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Ottawa Business Journal

Claridge Homes has formally applied for a city site plan to build the third phase of its LeBreton Flats condo development.

Topics : Dan S. Hanganu Architects , Montreal

The company is asking to build an eight-storey condo of about 145 units, including two and a half levels of underground parking with 161 parking spaces.

Development will take place at the southeast corner of Lett and Fleet streets, near Booth and Wellington streets.

If approved, the condo will add on to two 12-storey towers already completed on site: one has 122 units and the other 166.

Claridge is building a number of condos around Ottawa, including Tiffani near Beechwood Village, Claridge Village in the ByWard Market and Edinburgh Common on Scott Street near the Ottawa River.



Comments on the application are due Aug. 25 and a decision should be rendered in early October.

Other firms involved in the application are:

– Dan S. Hanganu Architects (architects, based in Montreal)

– Goodeve Manhire Inc. (structural engineering, based in Nepean)

– Novatech Engineering Consultants Ltd. (civil engineering, based in Ottawa)

– planex (landscaping, based in Montreal)

– Quadrant Engineering Ltd. (mechanical and electrical engineering, based in Ottawa)

– Stantec Geomatics Ltd. (topographical surveying, based in Ottawa)
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So the 8 storey building is phase 1 of the three phases making up phase 3 (the others being townhomes and a lowrise?)
Man is this ever taking a long time. They started digging for the first building even before the LRT was cancelled the first time around. Ancient history now. Is that parcel on the east side of Booth to be filled this decade, even? What about the rest. I expect to see 30+ storey towers at city centre and Bayview before that happens.
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Old Posted Aug 6, 2011, 8:11 PM
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At the rate they're going, I expect most of us to be dead of old age before they finish. But like I've said before, the slow pace can actually play to the neighbourhood's advantage aesthetically. Over time, the architectural style and finishes of the various phases could change, giving the neighbourhood less of a homogeneous, pre-packaged feel. It might actually end up looking like a regular neighbourood.
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At the rate they're going, I expect most of us to be dead of old age before they finish. But like I've said before, the slow pace can actually play to the neighbourhood's advantage aesthetically. Over time, the architectural style and finishes of the various phases could change, giving the neighbourhood less of a homogeneous, pre-packaged feel. It might actually end up looking like a regular neighbourood.
It's going to take more than different coloured bricks and different patterns of glass to do that.

It's really hard to centrally-plan a regular neighbourhood. It's annoyng as all fluck that Ottawa keeps trying.
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The only way they could have made this look like a regular neighbourhood is if they had divided it up into reasonably sized lots and auctioned them off in a random order. Then you would have some diversity.
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The only way they could have made this look like a regular neighbourhood is if they had divided it up into reasonably sized lots and auctioned them off in a random order. Then you would have some diversity.
That, and imposed standards that would prevent the usual suburban-style crap from being built on those lots.
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Neighborhoods built up all at once change little physically over the years as a rule...[Residents] regret that the neighborhood has changed. Yet the fact is, physically it has changed remarkably little. People's feelings about it, rather, have changed. The neighborhood shows a strange inability to update itself, enliven itself, repair itself, or to be sought after, out of choice, by a new generation. It is dead. Actually it was dead from birth, but nobody noticed this much until the corpse began to smell.
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Eric Darwin in his blog says that NCC is changing a look and feel for the LeBreton:
End of the Yellow Brick road, err buildings
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http://www.ceaa.gc.ca/050/details-eng.cfm?evaluation=63727
NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT
of an Environmental Assessment

LeBreton Flats Remediation and Infrastructure Project.
LeBreton Flats (ON)
August 26, 2011 -- The National Capital Commission is required to ensure that a screening is conducted commencing on August 23, 2011 in relation to the development proposal: LeBreton Flats Remediation and Infrastructure Project..
The general nature of the project:

The National Capital Commission (NCC) proposes to remediate the contaminated soil down to bedrock within Blocks L, M, N, O, K and J thus allowing for residential and commercial redevelopment. The above mentioned property is located between Booth Street to the east, Preston Street to the west, Wellington Street to the north and the open aqueduct to the south. The National Capital Commission (NCC) conducted an Environmental Assessment (EA) as part of this remediation project in 2003. However, following a review of the 2003 EA, it has been decided that some sections of the EA need to be amended to reflect current site condition and modifications to the remediation approaches.

Scope of the project:

The proposed work involves the removal of contaminated soils down to bedrock. The projected activities will include:
  • clearing and grubbing the entire site;
  • installation of fences around areas to be excavated;
  • installation of temporary retaining walls in the excavation;
  • installation of hydraulic barriers;
  • temporarily closing a bike path going across the site;
  • excavation of earth material down to bedrock;
  • crushing of large on site material;
  • stockpiling of contaminated soil on site and/or off-site;
  • sieving and washing of soil on site and/or off-site;
  • treatment of contaminated groundwater;
  • creation of a temporary sedimentation pond; and
  • transportation of contaminated soil to local landfill and/or potentially other NCC property.

Environmental setting of the project:

LeBreton Flats is a Brownfield site located within the City of Ottawa. It is bounded to the north and west by the Ottawa River, Scott Street to the south, and Bronson Avenue to the east. LeBreton Flats was used primarily by the lumber and railway industries prior to 1900. At that time, the site consisted of sawmills, lumber storage yards and railway yards as well as associated residential units and neighbourhood retail. In April of 1900, a fire swept over the Flats destroying most of the existing structures and leaving the area covered in ash, coal and fire debris. Following the fire, the site was re-established by metal, lumber, manufacturing industries along with a thriving residential neighbourhood. In the 1940's and 1950's several automobile service stations and scrap yards established themselves on LeBreton Flats. The site remained as such until 1960's when all structures were demolished and removed to grade.

Portions of the vacant site were used for snow dumping between 1970 and 1990. In addition, the western portion of the site was used as a sanitary landfill in 1963 and 1964.

Extensive site investigations have shown that the soil is contaminated with metals, petroleum hydrocarbons (PHC) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH). The groundwater contamination consists of metals, PAH and volatile organic compounds (VOC). The site also contains buried construction debris.

The remediation is proposed to commence in the summer of 2012 and be completed by 2014 or at the latest by 2016.

Main environmental issues of concern:

Key issues include:
  • Soil contamination by metals, petroleum hydrocarbons and polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons;
  • Groundwater contamination by metals, petroleum hydrocarbons and volatile organic compounds (VOC);
  • Risk to human health due to dermal contact, ingestion and inhalation of soil and/or groundwater contaminants;
  • Impact on wildlife that used the LeBreton Flats as habitat; and
  • Impact on vegetation.
  • Human populations potentially affected by the project (positively or negatively):

In its current condition, the site poses minimal health risks for site users and adjacent properties.
Under section 5 of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, an environmental assessment is required because the National Capital Commission may provide federal lands for the purpose of enabling the project to be carried out in whole or in part and is the proponent for the project.
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So if this could take until 2016, will the rehabilitation of the land interfere with the building of the extension of Preston Street, which passes over the west part of that area?

From what I understand, Booth Street will be entirely shut down as it is rebuilt for the OLRT (formerly DOTT) project. In order to break Booth, the trucking route to the Chaudiere Bridge must be maintained so the City was planning to build the planned extension of Preston Street north to the existing intersection at Wellington. This would enable traffic to use Preston to by-pass the missing section of Booth. Notice that this extension would need to be built BEFORE Booth was taken out of service.

So, the problem arises from the timing; the remediation of the land delays the building of the Preston extension, which will delay the rebuilding of Booth, which could impact the construction of the OLRT.

On the other hand, if the City and the NCC could coordinate their efforts, then perhaps the roadway could be built in association with the remediation work.
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2012, 1:27 PM
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They've (finally) landscaped* the slope from the 2nd building down to what they call "Pooley's Mews", but there was a LANDSLIDE! A good dozen sheets of sod and maybe a yard of topsoil slipped down the slope and are sitting in a clump on the path now. Looks pretty sad already, and if the rain gets heavy today it'll wash out even more and carve a pretty big channel out of the slope. another job well done.

Suggests there's a good reason the NCC plants those taller grasses from seed on the steep slopes from the ORP down to the river between the PoW bridge and the aqueduct. Landscaping: one thing the NCC does reasonably well.


* i.e. laid topsoil and sod
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Landscaping: one thing the NCC does reasonably well.
Whence all the vibrant, vibrant, green space!
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