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i heard simons already sucks - they said quality started going down a couple years ago

its added too many labels and departed from its quality house labels
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i heard simons already sucks - they said quality started going down a couple years ago

its added too many labels and departed from its quality house labels
There house labels are amazing and unique. People always ask about my clothing from Simons and where they can get it.
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I hadn't heard that about Simons. I haven't been in for a few years, but when I used to go I was always struck by the unique blend of very nice men's wear mixed with over the top Euro-twink styles that must meet a need in its home market, but would be a tough sell elsewhere in Canada. I wish they would expand to Ottawa, at least.
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I hadn't heard that about Simons. I haven't been in for a few years, but when I used to go I was always struck by the unique blend of very nice men's wear mixed with over the top Euro-twink styles that must meet a need in its home market, but would be a tough sell elsewhere in Canada. I wish they would expand to Ottawa, at least.
Or even Gatineau?

I must admit I am a bit perplexed at why they are going out on a limb like this(heeding the song of the sirens), although I realize all of the major Western Canadian cities are very attractive markets.

It's just odd that they are taking that type of risk when their established market isn't even maxed out, with quite a bit of room to grow in Montreal, Gatineau (Ottawa) and a few other medium-sized cities in Quebec.
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I guess. But it seems to me there is a lot of low-hanging fruit around before they have to start climbing to the top of the tree...
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Canadian malls growing in only one direction

FRANCES BULA - The Globe and Mail

When American and European retailers come to Canadian malls these days, they look around at the bustling crowds and see one thing: giant profits.

Our malls are hugely successful by international standards, with average sales of $680 a square foot per year. Some hot spots, such as the Yorkdale Mall in north Toronto, pull in more than $1,200 a square foot. The American average was $420 a square foot, according to 2009 figures. Only one mall beats Yorkdale: the Forum Shops at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, with $1,400 a square foot, while others in Honolulu, New Jersey and Scottsdale range from $618 to $1,110.

Canadians have 39 per cent less mall space per capita than Americans, though those scarcer but more heavily used malls sell 45 per cent more product per square foot, according to participants at a recent Vancouver real-estate forum. This is not because of our climate, which is no more inhospitable than the northern states. Instead, Canadian cities have allowed fewer large regional shopping centres to be built since the mall heydays of the 1960s and 70s.

“Our malls are very strong. They enjoy so much retail sales because they are safeguarded against a lot of competition,” said Dianne Lemm, the principal broker for mall services with Northwest Atlantic Canada in Toronto.

That is why offshore retailers are pushing to come to Canada. Since the recession hit, that eagerness has only increased, as retailers noticed that Canadian consumers (and their banks) are in better financial shape than many others around the world.

The Minneapolis-based Target chain has found a way into Canadian malls by taking over Zellers sites. Accompanying Target in the push to get into Canada are two American companies that specialize in premium outlet malls. They’ve paired up with Canadian partners that are competing to build new malls across the country.

New Jersey-based Simon Property Group has formed a joint venture with developer Calloway REIT, and North Carolina-based Tanger has partnered with RioCan REIT. Both have announced they want to build in Halton Hills, a town 15 minutes west of Toronto with a large swath of rural land around it.

But any development is not going to happen as easily as it would in the United States, experts say. Due to the shortage of available land, the restrictions that many Canadian cities put on commercial space, and even the stringent demands of provincial highways ministries, mall developers are going to have to be creative and persistent.

“It will be difficult for them to get in. Especially in Vancouver; we haven’t built a mall in a long, long time,” said Scott Lee, a principal with Northwest Atlantic in Vancouver, where the last regional malls were built in 1979. “We’ve got much more stringent zoning.”

“The biggest issue we have in Canada is that if land is zoned for industrial or office, cities are adamant about preserving it,” says John Crombie, the national retail director at real estate brokers Cushman & Wakefield, who helped put together the Simon/Calloway partnership for Halton Hills.

Only two enclosed malls have been built in Canada since 1989 – Vaughan Mills in Toronto and CrossIron Mills in Calgary – because of that. Even places that have been mall-friendly in the past, such as Vancouver’s suburb to the east, Burnaby, no longer have room for them.

“The opportunities for development of new regional malls have substantially changed as urban communities have continued to grow and develop,” said Burnaby’s deputy planning director, Lou Pelletier. “Established communities like Burnaby have been increasingly focused on developing more urban, mixed-use town centres to support improved transit services, higher amenity urban living and more walkable, complete and compact communities.”

So how is expansion of retail space likely to happen?

First, many of the country’s 300 existing malls will expand upward on the land they already own to accommodate the horde of American and European chains wanting in, including Nordstrom, Macy’s, Juicy Couture, J. Crew, Vero Moda, Jack & Jones and more.

“We will see the expansion of regional shopping centres everywhere,” said Rick Amantea, vice-president of the Park Royal Shopping Centre in West Vancouver. The list of malls that have recently undergone expansions, have expansions under way or are planning them is long – from Yorkdale, under construction, to Park Royal and Oakridge in Vancouver, planning expansions, to the Chinook Centre in Calgary, which just completed its expansion.

Some new Mills-type malls – they combine standard mall shops with outlet stores, big-box stores and entertainment – will open on the edge of a few cities, says Ms. Lemm, including Tsawwassen Mills, which is being planned for First Nations land near Vancouver.

Premium outlet malls, featuring Ralph Lauren, Coach, The Gap, Crate & Barrel and more, will fight for prime spots in smaller communities close to big population markets.

Those malls will get a warm welcome. Mayor Rick Bonnette of Halton Hills, where both Simon/Calloway and Tanger/RioCan are looking to build their first premium outlet centres, is unreservedly enthusiastic. “To get an outlet mall like this is very prestigious,” Mr. Bonnette said. “It could create 500 jobs.”

In Abbotsford and Chilliwack, B.C., planners and politicians say they’re not averse to the idea of a destination outlet mall. And developers will undoubtedly be scouting towns around Edmonton, says Darren Snider, a principal at Avison Young there.

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U.S. RETAILERS AND DEVELOPERS SEEK EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES IN GREAT WHITE NORTH

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Although U.S. retailers and developers have targeted Canada for years, the race to expand up North has accelerated in recent months with a growing number of firms forming joint ventures, completing targeted acquisitions and exploring other avenues in attempts to quickly build footholds.

Discounter Big Lots became the latest firm to announce a push into Canada in late May, when the chain agreed to acquire Canadian retailer Liquidation World and its 92 stores. Big Lots joins Target, Marshalls, The Limited and J.Crew on the list of chains who’ve recently announced a commitment to Canada. A number of other well-known U.S. brands—from Kohl’s to Nordstrom to J.C. Penney to Dick’s Sporting Goods—have been scouring potential sites and might soon follow suit, according to local brokers.

“We are taking a look at opportunities to open stores in Canada,” says Colin Johnson, a spokesman for Nordstrom. “We realize it’s a very different market from the U.S., but we are also exploring what might be feasible. I don’t know if or when [anything is going to happen with that]. We are going to look for the best available opportunities—it remains to be seen what those are.”

In addition, U.S. retail developers Simon Property Group and Tanger Factory Outlet Centers have each formed joint ventures with partners in Canada with a goal of building multiple outlet centers there, attracted by the country’s retail sales numbers and strong demand for retail space. ICSC estimates that Canada, a country of 34 million people, has only 14.6 feet of shopping center space per person, compared to 23.8 square feet in the United States. Meanwhile, Kimco Realty Corp., which has been acquiring assets in the country for years, remains extremely satisfied with the 62 Canadian assets in which it owns a stake and boast a 97 percent occupancy rate.

What’s drawing the interest is Canada’s solid fundamentals.

Canada’s banking system did not experience the same convulsions that rippled through Wall Street in 2008 and 2009. Its unemployment rate—at 7.4 percent at the end of May—is lower than America’s, which stands at 9.1 percent. It is expanding more quickly, with GDP growing at an annualized rate of 3.9 percent in the first quarter, compared with a 1.8 percent rate in the U.S. While the U.S. housing market may be entering a double-dip, Canada’s remains healthy. The Canadian dollar also remains strong relative to the U.S. dollar. All of this means that Canadian per capita retail spending is projected to surpass the U.S. figure for the first time in 2011.
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What makes Canada particularly appealing is that it’s a very urban country, says Drew Keddy, vice president for the Canada region with Colliers International. Approximately one-third of the population lives in the nation’s four largest cities: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary. Public transportation systems also create easy access for suburban consumers to shop in the metro centers.
Most American retailers prefer to open their first stores in Toronto because of the market’s size (it boasts approximately 5.6 million residents), its proximity to the U.S. border and the lack of a language barrier, according to John Crombie, senior managing director and national retail director for Canada with brokerage firm Cushman & Wakefield. For example, Apple, Victoria’s Secret and Crate & Barrel all opened their first Canadian stores at Toronto’s Yorkdale mall and have had tremendous success there, with sales reaching thousands of dollars per square foot, he notes. (All have since opened additional Canadian locations.)

American chains also feel comfortable with Montreal and Vancouver, but it’s a mistake to underestimate some of Canada’s smaller cities, according to Solomon and Jeff Robson, retail team leader with Barclay Street Real Estate, a commercial real estate firm based in Western Canada.
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U.S. firms looking to cross over might be surprised, however, by just how tough it is to establish a sizable presence in Canada, says Crombie. Many U.S. retailers who come in with plans to open 40 or 50 stores find that they are lucky if they can sign 10 deals, he says. The reason is the high price of real estate. Because Canada never experienced the same wave of bankruptcies as the U.S. did during the recession and because it was under-retailed to begin with, vacancy rates in the country are a fraction of what they are stateside.

Canadia’s regional malls boast a vacancy rate of approximately 3.5 percent and the rate at power centers is just 3.0 percent, according to Cushman & Wakefield. At the best centers in the country—like Yorkdale—if a tenant leaves, the landlord typically has a waiting list of retailers ready to step in, says Bob Vrenjack, who’s based in the Toronto office of real estate services firm Jones Lang LaSalle. (Jones Lang LaSalle brought Vrenjack on board as part of its corporate retail solutions team last year specifically to handle retailers’ expansion plans into Canada.)

Target, Dollar Tree and Big Lots have all gotten around that dilemma by acquiring existing Canadian chains, giving them instant access to multiple locations. Target, for example, bought 220 leases from Canadian discounter Zellers earlier this year. Dollar Tree did something similar when it acquired Dollar Giant and its 85 stores in 2010. But those kinds of opportunities are limited and other U.S. retailers might find themselves struggling to secure appropriate sites, says Crombie.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2011, 4:11 AM
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Canada better get a handle on these US companies and developers, before they ruin our downtowns and malls.

They just said we do better because we have not overbuilt our malls like in the USA. And now the US developers want in to build more malls, which will just eat away a business at existing malls.

They seem to understand that more malls does not mean more money. It just means you are taking your customers from one mall and sending them to another.
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Yesterday, for the first time in a year, I went to a Loblaw's. I was shocked at how high the prices were. The place was eerily empty, even though it was 545pm.

$9.89 for 500grams of Cracker Barrel? You gotta be kidding me.


It will be years until I return.

By contrast, Superstore (the same goddamn company) competes well with Walfart on prices.

Metro....has the best weekly deals, but otherwise, their prices are quite high (though not nearly in the stratosphere with Loblaw's).

Which begs the question: unless it is a matter of distance/availability, who the fuck would want to shop at Loblaws? Maybe Galen Weston.
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Don't know where Frances got her numbers but the figure on average Canadian sales/sf is not $680, its closer to $550. It was $539 in 2009, down from $545 in 2008, and while it has rebounded slightly, it is now near $550, not $680.

And I dont think you guys need to worry about a flood of new malls, much of the lack of malls has to do with land use planning and political approvals, not over agressive developers. There are plenty of players in the Canadian retail game and things will not change drastically because of a few new JV agreements with american firms. US firms have been invoved in canadian retail for years and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
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the article seemed to read to me that unlike the states we will not be buildinng new malls but rather expanding the ones we have
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Metro....has the best weekly deals, but otherwise, their prices are quite high (though not nearly in the stratosphere with Loblaw's).

Which begs the question: unless it is a matter of distance/availability, who the fuck would want to shop at Loblaws? Maybe Galen Weston.
I usually shop at No Frills these days. Same products as Loblaws, lower prices. Only thing I don't like buying at No Frills is fresh produce, but I do out of convenience.

I've heard that since the newest No Frills opened on Southdale Road West, the Metro in Byron has had a big drop in traffic. I find Metro generally more expensive, in fact they sometimes charge more for their store brand cola than Coca-Cola or Pepsi.
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Went to Costco last night. Bought stuff. The cracker barrel was $8.97 for 907 grams. Compare that to $9.89 at Loblaws for 500 grams. I mean, I know it is Costco and all that but wtf???

Sorry Galen Weston. No business from me. I don't care if you are Canadian. Take your 60% markup and shove it where the sun don't shine. Don't worry, you are still a douchebag.
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Went to Costco last night. Bought stuff. The cracker barrel was $8.97 for 907 grams. Compare that to $9.89 at Loblaws for 500 grams. I mean, I know it is Costco and all that but wtf???

Sorry Galen Weston. No business from me. I don't care if you are Canadian. Take your 60% markup and shove it where the sun don't shine. Don't worry, you are still a douchebag.
Yeah...I shop where I can get the best price. I'm thinking of going to Michigan to do some shopping this summer, where prices are more reasonable for clothing than in Southern Ontario. Last summer I went and, among other things, bought a nice pair of running shoes for $45. Same shoes in London, three times the price. Even at the price of gas on the American side, there are still massive savings.
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I was at Yorkdale this weekend, and all the doors and exits were blocked off, this expansion plan is even more massive than i thought:

http://www.yorkdale.com/expansion/renderings/








More renderings at the Yorkdale Website


Nexer/Lifepulse Blog - January 26th, 2011




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Yorkdale seems to be forever expanding and has announced that a further expansion is on the way to the tune of $220 million! It turns out retail is so good in Canada that RioCan Real Estate Investment Trust’s new partnership with Tanger Factory Outlet, a deal worth $1 billion will be bringing in several American discount malls to Canada. Looks like our stable economy is attracting the sharks from all the other struggling economies in the West.

http://lifepulseblog.com/2011/01/26/...panding-again/
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Wall Street Journal Online

J. Crew To Open First Canadian Store In August


Dow Jones Newswire - June 24th, 2011

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...24-704957.html




J Crew is coming to Yorkdale in August. This is the American Chains first store in Canada


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Holt Renfrew ups the ante with the announcement of an (almost) new Yorkdale location


BY BRIANNE HOGAN - June 3, 2011

http://www.postcity.com/Eat-Shop-Do/...tion/index.php

Holt Renfrew is building an expansion in the new Yorkdale wing, increasing its floor space by 40%, check out the article above.

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Awesome Story regarding Canadian Malls:

You guys have to read this

Canadian malls growing in only one direction

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/...le2068044.html


Malls will be building towards the sky, because of zoning and limited land concerns...
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^Err, that was already posted.

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FRANCES BULA - The Globe and Mail

When American and European retailers come to Canadian malls these days, they look around at the bustling crowds and see one thing: giant profits.

Our malls are hugely successful by international standards, with average sales of $680 a square foot per year. Some hot spots, such as the Yorkdale Mall in north Toronto, pull in more than $1,200 a square foot. The American average was $420 a square foot, according to 2009 figures. Only one mall beats Yorkdale: the Forum Shops at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas, with $1,400 a square foot, while others in Honolulu, New Jersey and Scottsdale range from $618 to $1,110.

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http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/...le2068044.html
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