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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 11:28 AM
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Awwwwwww, it looks like he is OK anyway. I had a feeling he would be as it would have been thrown and not launched. But I was really wishing that his future doctor would be able to give him his prostate exams from the front.

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But this angle gives you a better sense of the scene though. Even after the flashbang goes off, several idiots charge back at police. And even this guy gets a kick out of it. Some people just had no respect for the police or the city and I have no sympathy for anyone that stayed down there who got hurt.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 11:40 AM
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I'm not condoning what they did, but when you're young you may experiment with drugs, and you may experiment with your own human behavior. I think these young people learned a lot about themselves and they will grow from it.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 12:13 PM
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I'm not condoning what they did, but when you're young you may experiment with drugs, and you may experiment with your own human behavior. I think these young people learned a lot about themselves and they will grow from it.
I think they would grow a little bit more if the police showed a little more force. As it was, when you watch the videos from people on the street, many people are having the time of their lives (and what sad lives those must be). Unless many people are caught after the fact and face stiff punishment, I don't see where most people got their lessons.

They interviewed someone from Richmond on TV today who got fired from his job because he posted he did stuff during the riots, but then in the interview claimed he just went down there at 9:30 to watch the riot but "didn't do anything". HE WENT TO WATCH THE RIOT. That was his defense. Like as if it was a spectator sport. It was people like him and all the others seeking the best profile pic ever that made the problem so bad.

It should be made clear that once the riot act was read that anyone who stayed faces rioting charges that carry a possible life sentence, even if all they did was "watch". I hope some examples are made in the court system (and from the posturing of the Libs and assigning more people to crown counsel it seems like they will). I don't think there will be many heavy sentences, but I hope at least the city gets thousands of hours of volunteer work out of the remorseful ones.

I say anyone that turns themselves in and makes it easy gets community service, people we find get jail.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 1:14 PM
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I'm not condoning what they did, but when you're young you may experiment with drugs, and you may experiment with your own human behavior. I think these young people learned a lot about themselves and they will grow from it.
I suspect the vast vast majority won't learn anything and "grow from it" unless and until they're convicted and sentenced to jail time.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 1:17 PM
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Another blog that is identifying rioters. There's some humorous writing to go along with photos.

http://publicshamingeternus.wordpress.com/

From that blog we have one classy act known as Dustin Anderson who hit a fireman.


http://publicshamingeternus.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/dustinanderson.jpg?w=497&h=205
Great idea that blog.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 3:33 PM
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Another blog that is identifying rioters. There's some humorous writing to go along with photos.

http://publicshamingeternus.wordpress.com/

From that blog we have one classy act known as Dustin Anderson who hit a fireman.


http://publicshamingeternus.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/dustinanderson.jpg?w=497&h=205
Apparently, after reading more on this guy, he is a drug dealer and he beats and takes advantage of women. I think the sooner we get this guy off the streets the better.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 3:42 PM
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I'm not condoning what they did, but when you're young you may experiment with drugs, and you may experiment with your own human behavior. I think these young people learned a lot about themselves and they will grow from it.
Not a good use of my tax dollars, or the reputation of our entire city.
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Great idea that blog.
Yes, that little dirt bag is going away. Assaulting that firefighter all on film. Hah.
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I wasn't talking about having more events like Vancouver 125, the fireworks, and the Grey Cup...rather I was wondering to what extent the riots would affect the planning for those events.

Artier events? No, thanks. We already have tons of those, we could diversify what we have in terms of entertainment. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more big events either.

And if we had it your way, which is basically a completely dead city, I'd move the hell away right after. Many have already given up for greener pastures.

As an event planner, I can also attest to the comments others have made on Vancouver being a very difficult place to plan events of any kind.


Either way, where were all these critics BEFORE the big final game? It's always easy to point out mistakes and be a critic when you've got hindsight in your hands...


Anyway, a lot of Louis Vutton and high-end brand name merchandise is showing up on craigslist...and guess where most of the seller's are located....
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/clo?query=Louis+Vuitton&srchType=A&minAsk&maxAsk
No thanks.

If the "artier" events don't appeal to your age group, just wait, you'll grow out of it.

For the record, you can find my posts taking bets there would be a riot. A lot of us saw it coming, even if the Mayor didn't.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 5:52 PM
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Interesting to see Michael Buble's launching and ad campaign to identify the rioters. Apparently his family was at the Queen E doing something "arty" like seeing Wicked. They were kept in the theatre and not even allowed to go into the lobby for fear of the thugs breaking the windows:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nati...aign-to-identify-rioters/article2066361/
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The random heroes aren't getting enough recognition compared to the thugs so I'll post a couple of stories to get their names out there. On the news I heard the authorities will be trying to find all these people and honour them. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people get honoured by the both governments. Personally I think there could be a couple instances where the Cross of Valour(highest for civilians who've displayed bravery and conspicuous courage) is handed out. In fact, I'm going to email the Heritage Minister and suggest it.

Robert MacKay, originally from Kingston, Ont, was the guy that tried stopping thugs outside The Bay until he got beat up. Even when he was down and beaten some coward decided to spray bear repellent into his eyes. Heritage Minister James Moore is going to congratulate him.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/artic...t-vancouver-s-mob-talks-to-the-star?bn=1

Chris Leveille suffered a crushed lung and other serious injuries when he tried to protect a Budget Car Rental. Dave Lamontagne, a volunteer first responder who happened to be in the crowd, rushed in to help the injured man.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local..._110617/20110617?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 6:44 PM
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No thanks.

If the "artier" events don't appeal to your age group, just wait, you'll grow out of it.
That's just the thing, my age group is the type that likes this stuff and will in fact move to other cities that are simply more vibrant and exciting than ours. That's where the youth and talent go to: that's how you lose human capital.

Of course, job opportunities are even more important. But guess what places with better job opportunities are usually? More exciting and vibrant cities.

I also find it quite skewered and even selfish that people would only build up what they like, but not what others would want. Not everyone likes the artsy events, not even everyone in the older age groups, and not everyone likes outdoor recreation. Even for promoting tourism, you'd ideally want to promote a place that is "incredible" on all fronts.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 9:49 PM
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I've seen a lot of these posts from assholes at the riot bragging about it on Facebook... then LIKING their post. What is it with douchebags (and baggets) being so full of themselves they "like" their own comments? If I knew anyone who liked what they said, I would unfriend them.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2011, 10:38 PM
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The random heroes aren't getting enough recognition compared to the thugs so I'll post a couple of stories to get their names out there. On the news I heard the authorities will be trying to find all these people and honour them. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people get honoured by the both governments. Personally I think there could be a couple instances where the Cross of Valour(highest for civilians who've displayed bravery and conspicuous courage) is handed out. In fact, I'm going to email the Heritage Minister and suggest it.

Robert MacKay, originally from Kingston, Ont, was the guy that tried stopping thugs outside The Bay until he got beat up. Even when he was down and beaten some coward decided to spray bear repellent into his eyes. Heritage Minister James Moore is going to congratulate him.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/artic...t-vancouver-s-mob-talks-to-the-star?bn=1

Chris Leveille suffered a crushed lung and other serious injuries when he tried to protect a Budget Car Rental. Dave Lamontagne, a volunteer first responder who happened to be in the crowd, rushed in to help the injured man.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local..._110617/20110617?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
While I do think that people who stood up to the rioters were brave and trying their best to be noble, it still makes me a little worried. Some people decided to stand up to the thugs and got savagely beaten.

While they were brave to stand up to the crowd, it was also a bit foolish. Many people got hurt because they wanted to be a hero. Many people are lucky to be alive.

In the story above, Chris Leveille was brave but acted rather foolishly, putting his life on the line to save some windows. Dave Lamontagne, on the other hand saved a life, and he DOES deserve a medal.

And while these people decided to make a stand, at the same time they were in the way. Police were hesitant to use tear gas and stun grenades because of concerns for people there. What if while making a stand to save some windows or a car, police moved in. There is no way to really identify the difference between hero and villain in a scene like that on the ground, so police have to gas, beat, and chase everyone to try to disperse the crowd to regain order (and gas doesn't discriminate between people). How would you react if on the news if these "heroes" ended up beaten with a face full of pepperspray? Would we be claiming police brutality or wrong place wrong time? Police have a hard enough time as it is without extra people enlarging the mob and being in the way.

If they were not there, police might have had an easier time controlling the trouble makers. At the very least, if they had gone home instead of saving a window or two, they wouldn't have been hurt.

So to say at the least, I'm conflicted about this.

To draw a parallel, (as horrible as this sounds) it is a bit like my feelings towards Oskar Schindler. Yes, he is a hero (in my mind) for what he did to save that many Jews during the holocaust. BUT, the only reason he was in such a position in the first place was because he was a spy (that helped the invasion of Poland), a high ranking member of the Nazi party, and a factory owner that used bribes and rubbed elbows with the SS to acquire Jewish slave labor to build supplies for the Nazi war machine. After witnessing a raid on the Kraków Ghetto he changed his ways and ended his life as a hero by doing everything he could (include putting his life on the line) to save lives. But he got their by participating in the worst tragedy in human history.

These heroes at the riot acted bravely, but why were they there in the first place? Did they come out of the homes to make a stand? Did they come to downtown and stay after the game was well over to at least watch (if not be part of) the riot? Were they having a good time then noticed the folley of their ways and tried to make amends?

To sum up my feelings here is a picture.



This appears to be the guy that stood up to the crowd to stop a car from being lit on fire, only to be captured grinding a car on fire with his skateboard.

It's a fine line between hero and idiot. If more people had been smart before hand and had gone home after the game and riot broke out, I would feel a lot better about the intelligence of people in this city.

Though, I'll concede and say the people who stood up to the goons are heroes, if we can all agree that everyone else who was there, including the people who think of themselves as heroes for being there to take pictures, should be ashamed of their actions and inactions.
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Is Topman going to happen for sure, and when? I knew about Topshop but was hoping for the men's.

Yeah Topman is coming for sure from what I have heard. The dates are not yet confirmed. Renovations have to be done before Topman can be inserted into the Basement level for Mens wear. There is way too much stock and not enough space so with the renovations, the floor will be a lot more open just like 2nd floor white space for Women. Its going to look great!
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Absolutely no sympathy, that's what happens when you try and torch a police car.
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^ well he likely will not get any jail time I guess, he is still lucky (to be in Canada).

In some countries, torching an authority vehicle (or just providing a lighter) during a riot means many years of jail
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People make mistakes and I do believe in redemption but that only comes after a long, hard road of paying for those mistakes.
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