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Old Posted May 5, 2011, 12:09 PM
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Sad to see 30 King E get razed. I once worked at Caesar's many many moons ago. The building was showing wear back then and I know it recently had serious flood damage from burst pipes while it sat vacant. Blanchard are generally good stewards of their building stock so I was thinking the hoarding was for restoration and not demolition.

When the buses left the Gore all the ped traffic went with it. A gap-tooth in the streetwall isn't going to help things for this stretch of King.

I am curious as to why this demo is being met with quiet acceptance while other demos on less significant downtown streets are met with a burst of online outrage.
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Old Posted May 5, 2011, 12:59 PM
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That's very sad, I think Gore Park is (was) my favourite streetscape in all of Hamilton.
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Old Posted May 5, 2011, 1:18 PM
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also South Side just closed down last month. That was a great little store for high end suits. I heard they're opening somewhere else downtown.
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Old Posted May 5, 2011, 4:24 PM
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I am curious as to why this demo is being met with quiet acceptance while other demos on less significant downtown streets are met with a burst of online outrage.

I'm not accepting it at all. I see it as just the same, since the developer has no solid plans to redevelop the land. I was also sad to see South Side leave. I think the effect of taking buses out of the gore has so far been detrimental to it's survival.
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Old Posted May 6, 2011, 3:31 AM
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30 King St E demolition

Perhaps, this should go in a new thread for 20 King St East

There was talk of the demolition back in March and the original fear/rumour was that all of the 19th century buildings facing on Gore Park from 18-30 King E were going to come down.
One rumour I remember was that it was due to the new Accessibility Standards.

The demolition permit shows up in the city's summary of building permits for March 2011
http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/F644E7DA-02FE-4842-A2C7-09C56D3EA967/70388/Mar11StatsCan.pdf
10-205797-00 DP 30 KING ST E HAMILTON Non Residential Demolish Non
Residential 92,000.00 WILSON BLANCHARD MANAGEMENT 701 MAIN ST W HAMILTON ON

The online building permit inquiry form will not bring it up by address...

But it will if you put in the permit # 10-205797
Permit Type Status
10-205797-00 Non Residential Demolish Non Residential Issued
Description
To demolish a 1301 m², 3-storey commercial building as shown on the attached site plan.

Of course the site-plan can't be accessed from here, and the demolition doesn't seem to appear on any of the meeting agendas...

To avoid inconveniencing the adjacent parking lot (Hamilton is the City of Parking Lots after all) the demolition is being carried out at night and from back to front...

I'm sure that it does appear on some agenda I can't find, there's a perfectly good reason the online permit inquiry won't bring it up by address, demolition starting from the alley-side leaving the facade up to the very end is standard practice, and doing the work at night is standard as well... but it does make one suspicious...
I hope it's not one of those 'emergency demolition' permits which don't require replacing the building within one year.


Does anyone know how much of this block is owned by Wilson-Blanchard?
The architect David Premi has his office in 28 King E, the former South Side building, so he may be involved with the project?
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Old Posted May 9, 2011, 12:31 PM
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Century-old downtown building to be torn down

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/529004--century-old-downtown-building-to-be-torn-down


A deteriorating century-old downtown landmark will be demolished by the end of the month after several years of not being able to attract a tenant.

The building, which was built in 1910 and housed the Zig Zag Zebra and Caesar’s Restaurant on King Street East across from Gore Park, was “totally dysfunctional” with no “handicap accessibility,” property manager Robert Miles of Wilson Blanchard Management said Friday.

The ground floor, on which previous renovators had laid bricks over wood, had started to cave in, and people have to climb steps immediately upon entering the building at 30 King St. E., Miles said.

When the Zig Zag Zebra stopped paying rent about six months after Wilson Blanchard Management took over the building, property managers couldn’t pin down committed tenants, Miles said.

“What you have left now is a dysfunctional, (inaccessible) building that was falling apart from the inside out,” he said. “It had to be taken down.”

While they have received calls from those complaining about the demolition, which began more than a week ago and will finish in about two weeks, there was nothing left to preserve because previous renovators had destroyed historical material in the front of the building sometime between the 1950s and 1970s, Miles said.

The building, which is valued at about $400,000 including the land, had cost them about $20,000 in heating and taxes annually for the last five years, he said, adding it will cost $150,000 to repair the walls of the buildings on either side of the demolished facility.

The site was hit by a fire last week, but the blaze was not suspicious and is believed to have been caused by some of the ongoing construction work, Hamilton fire public information officer Dave Christopher said.

Hamilton Downtown Business Improvement Area executive director Kathy Drewitt said it was “sad to see another historic building go.”

But she hopes the demolition will open up opportunities to acquire a tenant for the recently vacant building next to the former Zig Zag Zebra, transform the empty lot into a patio and create an entry ramp to the ground floor of 28 King St. E., Drewitt said.

A café and open patio would coincide nicely with the BIA’s Gore Park Promenade program which will feature vendors at the downtown park, starting June 15, and runs every Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, Drewitt said.
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Old Posted May 9, 2011, 1:08 PM
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Sad Sad Sad.. could we move this to the Gore Park thread, Steeltown?

I have to agree, tho, this building was extremely dysfunctional! The layout was super awkward. Still no excuse to tear it down.

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Wow Cathy Drewitt sure has a lot of bold vision for the BIA "turn it into a patio" Greeeeaaaaaatttt *sarcasm alert*
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Old Posted May 9, 2011, 3:32 PM
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I remember going into that place back in the eighties when they had bars in the basement and on the first floor. It was not in very good shape then so I wouldn't doubt that the place is in even worse shape now. Unfortunately, not all old buildings should or can be saved.

Hopefully they can make good use of that space for something else and don't leave it vacant. Having a hole there will make it look like something is missing almost like someone with a missing tooth.
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I remember going into that place back in the eighties when they had bars in the basement and on the first floor. It was not in very good shape then so I wouldn't doubt that the place is in even worse shape now. Unfortunately, not all old buildings should or can be saved.

Hopefully they can make good use of that space for something else and don't leave it vacant. Having a hole there will make it look like something is missing almost like someone with a missing tooth.
Gore Park has one of few remaining (intact) streetwalls.. well, til now. I wish they could save the facade at least.

You're right tho, BigGuy, the interior had been gutted so many times it was a disaster in there. Not user-friendly at all. But if they can save facades and incorporate them into new builds in TO (such as Bay-Adelaide Tower & the new condos at Bloor/St George), then why not here?

It should be bylaw to keep streetwalls intact! Or better yet, to clarify what a streetwall is (as Redcliffe was able to get away w/ backs of stores facing Barton as a 'streetwall')
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2011, 4:50 PM
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Gore Park Promenade Day

Today, Wed Jun 15, is Gore Park Promenade Day!

I don't know exactly what that means? Most likely a sidewalk sale w/ some music.. but it starts at 2pm, so check it out! I will be after work!
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I love the idea of the Gore Park Promenade, I just wish it went later and/or happened on weekends. Not a good time for working stiffs like me!
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2011, 12:44 AM
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I love the idea of the Gore Park Promenade, I just wish it went later and/or happened on weekends. Not a good time for working stiffs like me!
Agreed. The dates and times are odd. The vendors sound interesting but the only people who will attend are those who are already downtown. Schedule it at least through the weekend to draw new blood to Gore Park.
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Agreed. The dates and times are odd. The vendors sound interesting but the only people who will attend are those who are already downtown. Schedule it at least through the weekend to draw new blood to Gore Park.
But that's a good start, isn't it?

I mean slowly introduce GP to the working crowd who populate downtown during the weekdays, get them familiar with the area, and then expand it to draw them there later on weekends/evenings once the downtown myths are somewhat dispelled by establishing a comfort level.

Maybe extend Friday hours the night of the art crawl. There were a lot of people out for the last art crawl.

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Would be interested to see a suit count on the Promenade (aside from BIA/Tourism officials). Most downtown workers seem pretty siloed inb their towers. I also suspect you'd be asking a lot of vendors to extend their stay to overlap the Crawl. For the most part, James North traffic stays north of Wilson, and the Crawl only really gets going after dark. That said, they could be reaching a larger audience, but I guess if you're not paying for access to the park, you can't be too choosey.
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Maybe extend Friday hours the night of the art crawl. There were a lot of people out for the last art crawl.
I love this idea!
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Thanks for the pics DC1983. What a gorgeous shot of a shady Gore Park with fountain flowing!

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I love this idea!
And, we have Supercrawl coming in 3 months, don't we?
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