Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 423

SpongeG · #**8441** Posted **Jun 11, 2011, 4:17 AM**

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Crush-loaded trains on Expo/Millennium Lines as far east as Scott Road Station ^ud
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SkyTrain cars "Crush-Loaded". @TransLink advising those downtown to stick around a bit longer until the crowds ease off.

SpongeG · #**8442** Posted **Jun 11, 2011, 4:26 AM**

this is crazy traffic

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8 Fraser passengers buses going as far as 41st Ave., then Main to Marine Station, no service on Fraser south of 49th ^ud

xd_1771 · #**8443** Posted **Jun 11, 2011, 5:18 AM**

I came home from the night market today finding, along the way, a 316 Scottsdale crossing Nordel Way, completely packed with people.
I don't think it was a route that ever had overcapacity problems, at least none I was aware of/heard of.

Spork · #**8444** Posted **Jun 11, 2011, 6:18 AM**

I spent about 2 hours in a restaurant downtown after the game. Nothing like tagging into a place after all of the people who were there decide to leave, all while people are battling transit.

teriyaki · #**8445** Posted **Jun 11, 2011, 7:10 AM**

Driving into DT after the game was a breeze, not a car on the road. Manning the streets while in Dt was a whole different story, but overall not as bad as I expected. Lots of people walking over the bridge instead of trying the trains and buses.

CLC · #**8446** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 2:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by bardak

Has translink released any bus ridership numbers since the Canada line opened because I'm really would like to know how much the 351 has gained. For such a suburb route it has really good frequency.

Unfortunately, the only publicly available report is apta, only a summary
http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2011_q1_ridership_APTA.pdf

deasine · #**8447** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 6:43 AM**

Not sure if you guys have seen this, but it's a cool proposal project. I'm personally not a fan of the signage design, but they are definitely bold and easily recognizable. I love the maps for the most part and see that there are a lot of elements inspired by London's Underground and London's Bus Spider Maps. Anyway, take a look:

(Sam Dal Monte, 2011)

http://negativeboy.com/images/0511/ClarifyingTransitBooklet.pdf

twoNeurons · #**8448** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 7:38 AM**

The multi-color bus routes are desperately needed. Seattle does a GREAT job of their downtown bus routes.

Zassk · #**8449** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 4:39 PM**

It is all a failure as long as Expo and Canada Lines are still both blue.

djh · #**8450** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

It is all a failure as long as Expo and Canada Lines are still both blue.

Er, why? They are very different shades of blue. If you talk about the "dark blue line" and the "light blue line" it's not confusing (I'm talking as a tourist here). Many many transit systems have lines with similar colours, so I'm not sure why you have a problem with this.

bardak · #**8451** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 6:40 PM**

Not a huge fan of the overly abstracted Skytrain map however I do like the coloured route maps.

Zassk · #**8452** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by djh

Er, why? They are very different shades of blue. If you talk about the "dark blue line" and the "light blue line" it's not confusing (I'm talking as a tourist here). Many many transit systems have lines with similar colours, so I'm not sure why you have a problem with this.

We only have three lines. I don't understand why we ran out of colours after two lines and had to double one up. No, it's not overly confusing, but it negates any benefit of colour-coding the lines. Either the Canada Line or Expo Line should be coloured red (assuming the colour green will figure into the Evergreen Line in some manner).

officedweller · #**8453** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 9:00 PM**

Yeah, the SkyTrain map is off - it bears little resemblance to the actual geographic map in proportioning or line direction/shape.

i.e. it suggests that Holdom and Sperling Stations are up near Hastings St. and that Metrotown is near the Fraser River. The branching in Richmond also suggests the line is farther east than it is.

I find the station signage to be loud and garish - like you'd find at a discount/liquidation retail store.

twoNeurons · #**8454** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

We only have three lines. I don't understand why we ran out of colours after two lines and had to double one up. No, it's not overly confusing, but it negates any benefit of colour-coding the lines. Either the Canada Line or Expo Line should be coloured red (assuming the colour green will figure into the Evergreen Line in some manner).

I agree. I wouldn't call the map a FAILURE, but I do think that one of those lines should be red. The Canada Line comes to mind.

Osaka's network has two lines which are almost the same color, see if you can find them:

I deliberately linked to the Japanese version, so you could focus on the colors. However, in this case, where one line ends (the Yotsubashi Line), the other one starts (Nanko Port Line) leaves. The port line uses an elevated short train (similar to SkyTrain) whereas the Yotsubashi line is a subway. It would be like if you connected to an LRT line in Surrey (going down Fraser Hwy) after getting off at King George station.

In that case, would you color the LRT line another shade of blue to denote that it's essentially a continuation of the Expo Line?

Here's a link to a bigger map in English: http://www.bento.com/pix/subway-osaka2.gif

officedweller · #**8455** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 9:14 PM**

I was looking at the 2 green lines before the 3 blue lines.

djh · #**8456** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 9:19 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zassk

We only have three lines. I don't understand why we ran out of colours after two lines and had to double one up. No, it's not overly confusing, but it negates any benefit of colour-coding the lines. Either the Canada Line or Expo Line should be coloured red (assuming the colour green will figure into the Evergreen Line in some manner).

Oh, OK. I see where you're coming from.
It's not a "total fail" though.

Here's another consideration: 6% of males are colour-blind in the green-red spectrum. So having a green or a red line might be harder to distinguish for those people. I can totally imagine in the OVERLY-P.C fairyland that is Translink/Metro Vancouver, that this became a Major Issue when picking the line colours (!) I can imagine this got bounced around numerous committees and focus groups, and reams of white papers were compiled, and consultants hired for months on end.

Mac Write · #**8457** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 10:09 PM**

Expo line should be red…oh wait the logo was a light blue, nevermind.

Millennium2002 · #**8458** Posted **Jun 13, 2011, 10:58 PM**

The bus stop signage seems interesting... however there are many problems that I can see with his mockups:

- shouldn't station circles be larger for ease of identification along a line?
- I generally prefer the retro signage of the Expo Line; maybe it should be cleaned up a little but there's no reason to discontinue it as long as its consistent.

And as for the blue Canada Line... that will forever bother me until they change it back to the right colour or add a red line somewhere. =S

Toddlertoddy · #**8459** Posted **Jun 14, 2011, 12:14 AM**

I love the geogrpahical distortion and perfection (yes, I am a perfectionist when drawing maps). I really hate the current maps, especially the one on the Skytrains themselves.

Honestly, I don't care about the colour of the Skytrain lines; as long as the colours are distinguishable, I'm okay with it.

deasine · #**8460** Posted **Jun 14, 2011, 3:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by Zassk

It is all a failure as long as Expo and Canada Lines are still both blue.

If you are directing that to the designer, then it's not a valid criticism because the colours of lines were decided by TransLink/InTransit BC/Provincial Government. The aqua blue colour for the Canada Line is not necessarily a bad choice due to the reasons djh has pointed out above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by officedweller

I find the station signage to be loud and garish - like you'd find at a discount/liquidation retail store.

Agreed.