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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 12:13 AM
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I beleive that there is a scrap metal business coming to the West side but I beleive this is a different prospect and aside from the 2nd refinery.
The scrap metal project on the west-side is separate from the refinery, yes.

I know of some long-term employees at Irving who lost their jobs shortly after the 2nd refinery deal fell through. I'd be surprised if there were still plans for one so soon.

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3 Businesses likely to be located there, Bank of Montreal, St. Huberts and one other.
Separate from the mall? It would be interesting to see a St. Hubert here.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 12:17 AM
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The news is reporting that the crane is being dismantled from Water Street condos "marking the ending of the framing". Compared to the conceptual drawings, there is still another floor to go + the roof. Will finish with another mobile crane, or have the plans really changed despite Rocca saying they haven't?
Conceptual drawings are just that -- a concept. Nothing to necessarily be relied upon as fact, only an illustrative idea of what it could be.

I sat on a design review committee for this project in the early design stages (+/- 4 years ago) and all that was ever dscussed was either two towers of 7 floors or one of 8 and one of 6. The committee chose the latter to animate the skyline a little more.

I count 8 floors that have been built and that is all that was ever promised.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 7:09 PM
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Heard a rumor today that Irving was looking to sell the Refinery and it's assets to Exxon, and Exxon would further develop the region.

I've heard a story before of Irving doing tests for oil off of Grand Manan some thirty years ago, and upon returning back to Saint John the results were in a briefcase hand-cuffed to a man's wrist, and the results were never made public. It's possible there could be something off of Grand Manan to develop.
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 7:38 PM
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Wasn't there a similar rumour that they were considering selling the refinery to Repsol a few years ago?
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 11:55 PM
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Heard a rumor today that Irving was looking to sell the Refinery and it's assets to Exxon, and Exxon would further develop the region.

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This is an article from earlier this Week on CBC News.

Irving Oil must turn over Maine assets: agency


Not sure if the rumor could have been related to this?
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 12:32 AM
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In regards to Irving refinery or Irving being sold - this is simply not true and is a bad rumour. The leadership has been unequivocally clear that it is false. They stated it publicly and to employees.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 12:53 AM
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Heard a rumor today that Irving was looking to sell the Refinery and it's assets to Exxon, and Exxon would further develop the region.
As others mentioned, I think your source was referring to the situation in Maine.

Based on their actions and words it seems extremely unlikely that the Irving's will be selling any of their assets.

On the other hand, some things are starting to point towards a second refinery.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 1:36 AM
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As others mentioned, I think your source was referring to the situation in Maine.

Based on their actions and words it seems extremely unlikely that the Irving's will be selling any of their assets.

On the other hand, some things are starting to point towards a second refinery.
A second refinery is not going to happen. In fact, several refineries have recently closed in Irving's marketplace. It is expected that the Dartmouth refinery will be closing also - Irving may purchase that and make it a terminal. Nobody will invest $8 Billion in a refinery when others are closing in your back yard. You can thank tougher fuel economy standards being implemented in the USA + the requirement of 10% renewable additive in gasoline (such as ethanol). Think about it - that requirement alone chops off demand by 10%.

My hope is Irving will sign a deal to occupy an office building built by the Hardman Group at Market Square. They can easily fill a 12 story office tower.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 2:59 AM
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A second refinery is not going to happen. In fact, several refineries have recently closed in Irving's marketplace. It is expected that the Dartmouth refinery will be closing also - Irving may purchase that and make it a terminal. Nobody will invest $8 Billion in a refinery when others are closing in your back yard. You can thank tougher fuel economy standards being implemented in the USA + the requirement of 10% renewable additive in gasoline (such as ethanol). Think about it - that requirement alone chops off demand by 10%.

My hope is Irving will sign a deal to occupy an office building built by the Hardman Group at Market Square. They can easily fill a 12 story office tower.
Oil production and consumption is a pretty complex topic and much of the data is skewed by very wealthy oil production companies.

The US accounts for roughly 22% of global oil consumption of which somewhere between 45-66% is used for transportation, meaning that the regulations you mentioned would result in a reduction of roughly 1% in global consumption. When you take into consideration the modernization of China alone, the need for Oil is still rising annually.

Public Oil companies are currently making record profits.

An Irving tower at the Coast Guard site would be great. I still think there is a chance they will simply renew the previously scheduled global headquarters as well. Market conditions dictated the delay. All major corporations delayed or cancelled capital expenditures as a reaction to the market downturn, Irving was no different. The economy has recovered quicker than anyone expected.
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I think a lot of the rumours about the second refinery being on the books still are floating around because part of the original Eider Rock project is still scheduled to be built. The marine terminal near Canaport and Canaport LNG is going ahead, so there is going to be construction taking place on/near the site of what might have been the second refinery.

Needless to say, we need less rumours of development in this city and more action.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 12:32 PM
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I think a lot of the rumours about the second refinery being on the books still are floating around because part of the original Eider Rock project is still scheduled to be built. The marine terminal near Canaport and Canaport LNG is going ahead, so there is going to be construction taking place on/near the site of what might have been the second refinery.

Needless to say, we need less rumors of development in this city and more action.
Well said! I tend to agree with you on the basis of the rumours, however I still believe the file is not dead within Irving. The US is too invested into oil for anything to change in the near term.
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They are estimating over 10,000 people attended the Memorial Cup celebratory parade yesterday. Great turnout for such nortice on a weekday! Well done Saint John!
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Condo Developer Being Sued

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunsw.../nb-three-sisters-condo-lawsuit-642.html

This is unfortunate. I feel bad that people are delayed getting in to their units. Hopefully this won't scare other developers away or Rocca from building his second building beside it. Good thing Hardman never promised anything - that's delayed 5 years and we still have no concrete start date.
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Irving families donate $3M for new UNBSJ building

SAINT JOHN - The families of Arthur Irving and Jack Irving have donated $3-million to UNBSJ's new Commons building in honour of their business associate and friend Hans W. Klohn.

Architect Bryan Irwin, left, and retired Ocean Steel executive Hans Klohn take a look around after the official naming ceremony of the Hans W. Klohn Commons at UNBSJ. The new building at Tucker Park, which will officially open in September, will offer students the latest in technology and library services as well as high-quality learning and research facilities.

The Hans W. Klohn Commons, which is nearly complete, is being built beside K.C. Irving Hall, which opened in 1999 and is named for Kenneth Colin Irving, founder of the Irving group of companies.

"You're side by side, forever," Arthur Irving - K.C. Irving's son - told Klohn on Wednesday morning during the sometimes emotional naming and donation announcement, which took place in the new building before a standing-room-only crowd that included faculty, staff, students, architects, builders and community leaders.

"My father would be extremely proud," Arthur Irving said.

"We appreciate you being here and my dad would be extremely happy to know you're here," he told Klohn.

"Thank you for everything you've done for us."

K.C. Irving hired Klohn, who is from Kiel, Germany, back in 1952 to take part in the Irving Pulp and Paper Mill expansion, and the two became close friends with Irving promoting Klohn to project manager.

As UNB president Eddy Campbell told the gathering about the Irving families' gift and their idea to name the Commons after their friend, standing ovations followed, and Campbell related how, a few months ago, he and Klohn were summoned to a meeting with the Irvings.

"Hans arrived briefcase in hand," Campbell said.

"When they told him they wanted to honour him for all the outstanding contributions he had made to the Saint John community, to the university and the Irving family, he was overcome with emotion.

"He said he had not cried a tear in 30 years."

Klohn said he is "thankful and honoured" to have his name associated with the $25-million Commons and that, over the years, the Irving companies he led have participated in the construction of almost every building on the UNBSJ campus.

"I'm proud and greatly privileged that I was associated with K.C. Irving and Jack Irving for many years," he said, choking up as he recalled his two deceased friends.

"It was an unforgettable experience working for them."

Klohn has become well known for his many contributions to the steel fabrication and construction industry in Atlantic Canada, New England and beyond.

In 1955, K.C. Irving and Klohn started a new construction company called Ocean Steel & Construction, with Klohn serving as its first president.

Klohn is an honorary life member of the Saint John Construction Association, is a Titan of the Precast Concrete Industry, and received an honorary doctor of science degree from UNB last month in recognition of his efforts and influence in the construction industry and the community at large. Many of Klohn's family members have degrees from UNB.

John Irving, representing his father, Jack and family, said his father toiled with Klohn his whole working life.

"He respected and enjoyed the time he and Mr. Klohn spent together," John Irving said before stopping to compose himself. Jack Irving died last July.

"My father was always proud of the Strescon and Ocean Steel projects and I know he would say, 'Hans, what a great looking pre-cast structure and what a great name it has.' "

Arthur Irving also paid to tribute to Klohn's wife, Anke.

"Hans was here alone and we wanted him to stay," Arthur Irving said.

"So, Anke, thank you very much. You played a very large part in Han's great success because you were always there for him. He was always on the road and worked long hours and you were there and we thank you for it."

The $25-million Commons is part of the Tucker Park enhancement project, which includes the refurbishment of the Canada Games Stadium, the new Dalhousie Medicine New Brunswick facility, and the New Brunswick Community College's Allied Health building.

It will offer students the latest in technology, writing and library services as well as high-quality learning and research facilities and is UNB's first green building, having been designed and constructed to a Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) silver standard.

It will officially open on Sept. 7.

"Exciting new partnerships are translating into growth at Tucker Park," UNBSJ vice-president Robert MacKinnon said.

"This building is both the cornerstone of Tucker Park campus renewal and the pinnacle of our progress so far. It's a symbol of where we began and where we're going."
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Ground floor retail + second floor office? I guess technically that's mixed-use?

BMO's highlighted in green, and the other drive thru seems to corroborate St-Hubert as a second tenant. I wonder who the other(s) will be?
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All this retail needs more trees planted - it looks like concrete jungle with you come down over the hill. Many cities require so many trees per # of parking spots. Kudos to Northrup for voluntarily making trees part of plan.
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Colonel Nase Boulevard in Grand Bay-Westfield: Where exactly is this being built and what is it connecting?
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Colonel Nase Boulevard in Grand Bay-Westfield: Where exactly is this being built and what is it connecting?
It's a new collector road with exits off Highway 7 and coming out the other end beside the liquor store in Grand Bay.

Here's a link to an article that was in the TJ last week:

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/search/article/1413639
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SAINT JOHN - A proposed set of land-use policies for the city would encourage the development of attractive streetscapes in urban neighbourhoods with more trees and grass, alluring façades and preserved heritage buildings.

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There would be a mix of housing types uptown and on the waterfront that would be appealing to people of all ages and incomes. Commuters would have convenient access to transit stops and bicycle parking stalls to promote green modes of transportation.

And affordable housing would be built in close proximity to shops and public transit routes, recognizing that low-income earners can't afford vehicles for long commutes.

These are among a long list of proposed policies that would guide development in the city over the next 25 to 30 years. They are featured in a draft municipal plan, a 200-page document that will soon be up for public review.

"This plan is focused on the revitalization of our urban core, which is the heart of our community," said city councillor Donnie Snook.

The city's current municipal plan is outdated and hasn't been overhauled for decades. City planners, consultants, a citizen advisory committee and other concerned Saint Johners are in the final stages of drafting a new document, dubbed PlanSJ.

It will lay out where new homes and businesses would be built, the types of buildings that would be permitted and how neighbourhoods would look in the coming decades.

Common council has already endorsed a growth strategy for the city, which puts a cap on urban sprawl, allowing new homes to be built in select urban and suburban neighbourhoods.

What's different about the municipal plan is that it lays out policies that would guide growth in those areas. For instance, the south-central peninsula, old north end and the Catherwood Street area on the west side would feature more apartments, condominiums and townhouses.

On the lower west side and along the University Avenue corridor, the plan would emphasize lower density housing types, including semi-detached, duplexes and single detached dwellings.

The plan would also feature a range of policies aimed at improving the quality of life for Saint Johners. It would call for greater investments in streetscapes and parks, new cycling routes and stronger heritage protections where appropriate, among others.

City staffers are expected to present the proposed municipal plan to council tonight, with plans to hold an open house at Saint John High School on Wednesday. The public will then have 30 days to review the document and respond.

The final plan will be developed over the summer months and presented to council in the fall. The public will again be able to comment on the document, appear before the planning advisory committee and participate in a public hearing in the council chambers, where the politicians will vote on early and, later, final approvals.

Snook said there is much at stake, especially where the plan focuses on revitalizing urban neighbourhoods. The city, he said, must work hard to encourage new housing construction in vacant lots with financial incentives and other programs.

"We're going to have vacant lots littering the landscape for decades to come if we don't have a plan and get our act together to revitalize and see good infill housing projects, the right ones, in our urban core neighbourhoods.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/1414587
If you're wealthy, why would you want to live with/next/near to someone who isn't wealthy? If you go to places like St. Andrews or Chester or anywhere where there is valuable property on the water, it's all wealthy families. Do you think they'd want to live with people of a lower standard, at least in their eyes? It boggles my mind that Saint John and area can have so much waterfront property and yet none of it is utilized like it is in other places.

I still don't comprehend this fascination with mixed-income. Maybe i'm too cynical or too much of a realist, but I can't see it actually happening. Find me a point in history where a society strived and in which everyone lived in mixed-income areas.

Example: I drove out to Rothesay & Quispamsis a few evenings ago. When out there, I stopped at the Marr Road Irving. Whilst I was inside, the cars that parked around my car all exceeded roughly 50/75K each. So we'll say one of them was a Jaguar. A nice one. So when I drive back into Saint John, and drive back into the north end, I don't see 50K cars, or Jaguars, I see people beating each other with titanium baseball bats. Home Sweet Home, I say, but this does nothing to help mixed-income fantasies.

Why should these people move into town, or anybody else with any sort of income whatsoever? They need to be given some sort of incentive to move into town. We're raising our taxes higher again? We already have one of the highest tax rates in the country. Again, why would people move here? Cut taxes drastically in the city. And I mean drastically. Every derelict building the city tears down? That's lessening the tax base for the city. Because once that building is removed from the property the taxes lessen greatly. So we're raising taxes for existing properties and nullifying them on derelict and otherwise unused properties.

I agree that the municipal plan should be updated, and I think PlanSJ has done a reasonably good job. There's a lot of stuff in there, however, that I just don't think is feasible at this time. Retail needs to stop being built over east, for starters, unless you want to start throwing money at never-ending plumbing and digging costs because your building sinks multiple inches a year. Oh, and the flood plain, too. Can't forget about that.

The Uptown can work if it's done correctly. I think more people need to actually live in the uptown, because on some nights there's a stark contrast between the amount of people Uptown at 4PM and again at 6PM. Where do you think all of these people go?

I really appreciate people getting together and putting out flower pots and painting telephone polls in the North End for community involvement and whatever else, but it's going to take more than that to get things rolling, and onto a better path.

It always seems that i'm in a really ranty mood in the mornings. I'll try my best to curb that.
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