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Old Posted May 20, 2011, 5:24 PM
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Our first hotel catering to a specific country....would its architecture contain visual cues?
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2011, 12:47 PM
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Not sure if there is a thread for it.... but posting here:

312 Lisgar St., near Bank Street

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8J8PD1

And article in OBJ about that development:

Four-storey community building targeted for downtown
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2011, 1:26 PM
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Booth Street site ‘in critical condition’
Wednesday, June 1, 2011
By TOM SPEARS, The Ottawa Citizen
Graphic 1: Future of the Booth Street campus? Photographed by:
Dennis Leung, The Ottawa CitizenOTTAWA — Much of the massive Natural Resources Canada complex on Booth Street is in terrible condition and could soon be abandoned, according to internal papers that suggest building more than 1,000 homes there.

A spokesperson for the department said Wednesday that NRCan has no plans to move out or redevelop soon.

But an access to information request by researcher Ken Rubin also reveals lengthy, detailed analysis of how the federal government could sell off and redevelop up to 14.4 acres of prime land on Booth.

The entire block on the east side of Booth north of Carling Avenue — two massive 1950s office-and-lab buildings — is a mess. A “strategic overview” by engineering consultants in late 2008 says 601 and 615 Booth are “in critical condition and require replacement,” and the site should be surplus by 2013.

Demolition could follow, as the area is in demand by private developers.

At the south end, nearest Carling and facing Dow’s Lake, the review says “this property could become a residential neighbourhood consisting of a variety of housing forms.

“Preliminary analysis indicates the potential to produce some 500 residential units.

“The removal of the existing building (615 Booth) would provide for a more typical city block plan, which will improve pedestrian access between adjacent neighbourhoods.”

The office building at 601 could be knocked down or renovated to make way for new offices with excellent access to the Queensway, the papers say.

The neighbouring building at 568 is rated as fair to good, but two smaller buildings, 556 and 562, are rated poor. Three vacant NRC buildings farther north are obsolete.

A detailed plan prepared by the Canada Lands Company and NRCan in 2008 proposes:

A new “Headquarters Showcase” office tower with 35,000 square metres of space, to be built beside the existing NRCan office tower at 580 Booth, which staff call the Dark Tower. There would also be 12,000 square metres of new research labs just north, across Norman Street. These would be north of the present tower, on land that is used today for parking.

Demolition of 615 Booth, and construction of residential low-rise buildings around a central court, while “a 16-storey tower enjoys a prestigious Carling Avenue address, and takes advantage of spectacular views of Commissioner’s Park and Dow’s Lake.”

Another residential highrise at 401 LeBreton St. (at Carling), with 3,000 square metres of commercial space at ground level, possibly used as a grocery store. Some of the roof of the commercial section would be “outdoor livable space for residents of the tower.” The former low-rise building there was named by Citizen readers as one of Ottawa’s “hot spots of hideousness.”

A “green plaza” along Carling Avenue. Trees along the streets.

McCann Street would be extended to the west.

PricewaterhouseCoopers did a parallel study that concludes the overall Booth complex could take anywhere from 630 to 1,144 apartments or condos, plus offices, on 14.4 acres of redevelopment

“Great site,” said Mark Shore of Shore, Tanner, an Ottawa real estate consulting firm.

“The proximity to Preston Street is a huge selling point, plus proximity to Dow’s Lake as well. And it’s a very central location.

“That’s validated by the private sector’s interest in that area as well,” he said. Projects by Mastercraft Starwood and Domicile are going to be springing up soon near the Booth area. “Anything inside the Greenbelt is golden these days.”

“Those (existing) buildings are an eyesore right now,” he said. “Let’s face it, that’s an awful project.”

He said the land’s value can’t be estimated without knowing what density city officials will allow.

The smaller buildings farther north, close to the Queensway, could also make future office sites, the 2008 review notes. “The heritage value of the buildings on the site could be retained through partial incorporation into new structures.”

First, however, there’s the multi-million-dollar matter of contaminated soils.

The Booth Street complex has heavy metals, oil residues and polyaromatic hydrocarbons all through its soil. It’s no great threat to people unless they drill a well for their drinking water, but it still needs remediation before it’s sold. Otherwise the new owner can become liable for cleanup costs.

Cost estimates have risen over the years, but the most recent figures available indicate a total of about $7.7 million for the southeast and central “quadrants” of the complex. These are areas on both sides of Booth where much of the historical industrial research and lab work was done.

The work includes removing and disposing of some 79,000 tonnes of soil.

The Booth complex covers 10.4 hectares, or 25.7 acres, on 4.5 city blocks. It has 13 buildings, three of them vacant.

NRCan spokesperson Jacinthe Perras wrote in an e-mail response to questions that NRCan isn’t planning to abandon 601 or 615 Booth for now:

“Both buildings are structurally sound and with targeted minimal investment are expected to remain useful for another 10 years. Upgrading the buildings over time could further extend the period that the buildings could be occupied far into the future.”

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illustrations of the current and one possible future site plan here:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Booth+...on/4877465/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
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illustrations of the current and one possible future site plan here:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Booth+...on/4877465/story.html?cid=megadrop_story
That area is absolutely prime for redevelopment, and could bring in a good amount of money for the feds. In particular, it would be great to see the street grid reconnected between Bronson and Preston. That alone would go a long way towards opening up the area. Also, some of the NRCan labs have some architectural merit, and might be candidates to be worked into an Ottawa version of the Distillery District.
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The Champagne to Lebreton area south of the Queensway is the next big thing for sure. Coupled with Bayview and Lebreton Flats to the north, that's a lot of people added to the western edge of centretown.
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2011, 3:05 PM
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That area is absolutely prime for redevelopment, and could bring in a good amount of money for the feds. In particular, it would be great to see the street grid reconnected between Bronson and Preston. That alone would go a long way towards opening up the area. Also, some of the NRCan labs have some architectural merit, and might be candidates to be worked into an Ottawa version of the Distillery District.
agree completely, although the article gives the impression that many of the buildings are "too far gone" to save/repurpose. Pessimistic me thinks the best we could probably hope for is some façadist reuse of existing walls/features on otherwise brand new (rhymes with bland new) buildings.

reminded of this review I read over the weekend

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/arts/design/cronocaos-by-rem-koolhaas-at-the-new-museum.html
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Not sure if there is a thread for it.... but posting here:

312 Lisgar St., near Bank Street

http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/appDetails.jsf?lang=en&appId=__8J8PD1

And article in OBJ about that development:

Four-storey community building targeted for downtown
That's good news. The current building is not very nice looking.
(In case people don't know the location, it will be right next to SOHO Lisgar.)

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Lisgar is seeing a lot of action (or planned action) these days.

I thought Soho Lisgar was supposed to break ground on May 1...has that changed?
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2011, 7:41 PM
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agree completely, although the article gives the impression that many of the buildings are "too far gone" to save/repurpose. Pessimistic me thinks the best we could probably hope for is some façadist reuse of existing walls/features on otherwise brand new (rhymes with bland new) buildings.

reminded of this review I read over the weekend

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/arts/design/cronocaos-by-rem-koolhaas-at-the-new-museum.html
I think that review makes a good point. If it was just to be fascades, I wouldn't be as keen. But it seems to me that at least the buildings that are still in use would have to be salvagable. Of course the question would be at what price.

Regardless of what they can do with the buildings, another thing I would love to see is the conversion of the huge surface lot off Adelaide into a neighbourhood park/public square. That move alone would be a huge step towards creating a real neighbourhood feel in that area.
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Grocery/liquor store! grocery/liquor store!.....and a mix of affordable housing/rentals and condos. That's what's needed on that lot, and in that neighbourhood. With Hom and Soho Champagne on the way, there needs to be some affordable new homes brought to the area as well, probably in the same vein as the Beaver Barracks.
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I've actually always thought that that lot should be an office tower, which taken together with Preston Square would help create a secondary CBD. I actually think this would be a great location for a new Ottawa's tallest, even up to 50 stories.

The footprint of that lot is huge though... my vision could probably go mixed-use and co-exist with an apartment tower (stepping down maybe to 30 - 40 floors) over a grocery store podium, and still have space for a medium-sized neighbourhood park.
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^It's good to have a dream. Dream big.
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I agree with you..that would be an optimum location for Ottawa's tallest. It's far enough away from Parliament and the damned NIMBY's that there's no reason to object it if a developer is willing to pump the cash. It could anchor a secondary CBD between Preston and Bronson. We have to think big here. The National Capital Region was 1,451,000 in the 2006 census, probably 1.7+ after this years census. Our current CBD is geographically limited by the presence of the Queensway and Parliament. The government has a lot of properties to mothball in the coming years and private enterprise will look at Ottawa a lot more favorably if more land inside the greenbelt becomes available.
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Height on that Adelaide lot would have to be placed on the Rochester side, so that a four or five storey front on Preston would pretty much hide it completely. There are no neighbours immediately adjacent to it, and anyone who moves in after Booth is redeveloped will move in knowing it's there (or will be there).

Again, this neighbourhood needs a grocery/liquor store so people don't have to bus/drive to get their basics. When the BIA sent our their survey last year, I think that was the number one request.
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A "community consultation" meeting is scheduled for tonight 7:30 at the GCC. The landowner of 174? Glebe ave want to change the zoning to allow for a 5 story 21 unit condo....from the original proposal of 4-5 semi's or towns. The property is just behind the glebe montessori, west of Lyon on Glebe Ave and is currently a vacant set of 4? large townhomes.

I'm all for instensification but this seems out of place, considering the neighbourhood....a block down on bank, sure.

full disclosure...i'm no longer in centretown...and live a block from this location....trying not to be a NIMBY, so hoping to see what you all think of this.
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I have a feeling I know what the reaction from residents will be.
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A "community consultation" meeting is scheduled for tonight 7:30 at the GCC. The landowner of 174? Glebe ave want to change the zoning to allow for a 5 story 21 unit condo....from the original proposal of 4-5 semi's or towns. The property is just behind the glebe montessori, west of Lyon on Glebe Ave and is currently a vacant set of 4? large townhomes.

I'm all for instensification but this seems out of place, considering the neighbourhood....a block down on bank, sure.

full disclosure...i'm no longer in centretown...and live a block from this location....trying not to be a NIMBY, so hoping to see what you all think of this.
Intensification needs to move away from just the main streets for it to be effective. If the design is nice, I think this could be appropriate.
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Intensification needs to move away from just the main streets for it to be effective. If the design is nice, I think this could be appropriate.
I'm a couple of blocks up and I would agree. It is all dependent on design, but I don't think this proposal is necessarily out of place.
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Turns out they dropped it to 4 floors with a small amenity room making up the "fifth" floor....and they are spending time on design / mansard roof, dormers etc.. to fit in the neighbourhood. All in all i think they are trying to work with the community...so kudos to them. In spite of this some of the questions / concerns were downright insane....i bailed after the comments stopped making sense....my favourite, "why does the sidewalk look smaller at one end than the other"????..and hey your missing some trees in your diagram...it was too much.
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I'm a couple of blocks up and I would agree. It is all dependent on design, but I don't think this proposal is necessarily out of place.

I totally agree.

The Glebe should by no means be exempt from the intensification taking place in neighbourhoods of similar proximity to downtown. While I agree special attention is needed to maintain the integrity of one of Ottawa's oldest residential neighborhoods, this argument could be made for a half dozen other communities embracing intensification with significantly more zeal than the Glebe. (And yes, for those wondering, I'm a Glebe homeowner and Ottawa native)

If completed tastefully (See: Domicile at Lyon) buildings 4-5 stories will compliment the old brick homes of this area very nicely, inside the confines of Bronson Ave and Bank St, particularly as the heights on these arteries invariably begin to increase.


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Turns out they dropped it to 4 floors with a small amenity room making up the "fifth" floor....and they are spending time on design / mansard roof, dormers etc.. to fit in the neighbourhood. All in all i think they are trying to work with the community...so kudos to them. In spite of this some of the questions / concerns were downright insane....i bailed after the comments stopped making sense....my favourite, "why does the sidewalk look smaller at one end than the other"????..and hey your missing some trees in your diagram...it was too much.
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