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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 3:43 AM
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i bet we end up with something similar to the titanium base of 7 WTC.
The 1st 2 floors above the titanium base of 7 look like ventilation. Just do that in glass on 1 WTC for air flow.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 5:07 AM
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Glass all the way down, please. It'll look so much nicer.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 6:48 AM
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Well ain't that a rotten toffee apple.

I don't want A titanium base. No way. I would look so ugly. Maybe if they just used normal glass, but in the same layout as the prismatic would have been- it would look a lot better than a dark titanium base.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 10:57 AM
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I was just thinking of a great Idea for the base of the Tower. I would say is either use the aluminum or the light colored titanium steel on where the beams are of the base and then put the clear glass in between them, so you would give it a good looking touch with is with a mix of the nostaglia resembliance of the original Tower 1.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 12:51 PM
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A stone or masonry base would be very fitting, after all 1WTC is basically a monumental obelisk. Carved granite, e.g. an art deco frieze, would have looked incredible.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 1:35 PM
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A stone or masonry base would be very fitting, after all 1WTC is basically a monumental obelisk. Carved granite, e.g. an art deco frieze, would have looked incredible.
Best idea I've read so far...
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 1:41 PM
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 1:44 PM
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A stone or masonry base would be very fitting, after all 1WTC is basically a monumental obelisk. Carved granite, e.g. an art deco frieze, would have looked incredible.
Neat idea, although in reality I think it might be contextually obnoxious.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 3:13 PM
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Yeah, i think sticking to glass is the best Idea.

Looking at cam 4 on Discovery, I've just seen now how much more bulk the glass gives it- The parts without glass look a wee bit skinny. But hey, that glass is looking glorious. And the tower is finally starting to look how tall it is- with all those crowding buildings, it's hard to judge how tall it really is (Especially when I live in a small town where the tallest building is the ~120 ft church).

EDI: Also, you can just glimpse the curtain wall on the WYN cam. Wow.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 4:58 PM
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 5:02 PM
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NYCLuver, you have outdone yourself this time! glorious pics man!
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 6:36 PM
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NYCLuver, you have outdone yourself this time! glorious pics man!
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The glass on this thing is sensational.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 6:57 PM
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The glass on this thing is sensational.
i know it.........remember all the concern about the glass quality etc not being up to snuff? i think we don't have to worry about that any longer. This tower is magnificent!
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 7:42 PM
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While I agree the quality of the curtainwall is excellent, I find it puzzling that so many people like the idea that a future icon of this magnitude, is basically being clad like a chameleon which is camouflaged to blend into its surroundings. And I tend to agree with this critic's take on the glazing:

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...I don't want such a prominent building to visually vanish from a scene. I want imposing architecture to be exactly that: Imposing. Not clad in a way that it blends with the background and disappears, but so that it stands out.

Many other architectural critics have applauded the design of 1WTC and used poetic terms to describe its glass, like: "A river of glass that virtually brings the sky to the earth." While that sounds flowery, personally I don't want to look at a building and see a perfect reflection of the sky. That's what we have the actual sky for.

I want to see amazing architecture, brilliant engineering, remarkable detail, fantastic materials. All of those may be employed here in building the new 1WTC, but they are effectively disappearing before our eyes as the glass rises, just like the Predator monster in the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie of the same name. Even if the glazing was gold or green or amber or any other colour it would be more of a psychological impact.

In the future when strolling along the yet to be reopened Greenwich Street, without looking up, 1 WTC will be invisible in your peripheral view, diminishing its visual impact and therefore the emotional impact on the psyche as well. The originals dominated their environment, while this tower and the others (with perhaps the exception of 3WTC and it's exposed structure.) will apologetically bow to their surroundings and quietly disappear to the background of your consciousness.

If this was a conscious decision by the architects: To allow peaceful reflection at the memorial and to not steal focus away from the somber gravitas of its meaning, they have missed the point of rebuilding. Rebuilding this center is to show the world that America will not bow to ideals imposed from fanatical beliefs; America will proudly stand for whatever she deems important and not kowtow to other's demands. So why produce such a weak presence at such a sanctum of importance?

This is where the maxim "Go big, or go home" could have been employed by paraphrasing it "Go Bold, or give up" and unfortunately the designers took the safe road...
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"This is where the maxim "Go big, or go home" could have been employed by paraphrasing it "Go Bold, or give up" and unfortunately the designers took the safe road... "


Hey! "Go bold" is a tagline I wrote for Mistic over a decade ago. Then it got usurped by Dentine's agency for its ads. Now this guy's using it. - But I agree too. I like fenestration to look like fenestration... windows that give a big building its scale. When you look at ESB you can clearly see that there are lots and lots of floors. Blue glass buildings look like... well, blue glass. At least it's 800 feet tall. That's something to be happy about.
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 9:32 PM
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Well 1WTC is not the first, someone should have thought of that argument a long time ago...



No complaints from me though, I've been very impressed with the cladding. It is reflective, but that also creates a very dramatic look.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 10:01 PM
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 11:49 PM
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A stone or masonry base would be very fitting, after all 1WTC is basically a monumental obelisk. Carved granite, e.g. an art deco frieze, would have looked incredible.
It might look too much like a tombstone. Given the history of the site, that might not go over too good...
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Old Posted May 12, 2011, 11:56 PM
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I wonder if the next technical impossibility doesn't turn out to be the spire...
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Old Posted May 13, 2011, 12:36 AM
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i bet we end up with something similar to the titanium base of 7 WTC.
I wouldn't mind this at all, 7 base looks great.

I never really liked the whole prism concept.
     
     
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