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Alliance · #**13381** Posted **May 3, 2011, 10:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Troubadour

Which raises the OT-but-still-interesting alternate history question, will the NY skyline ultimately be better or worse because of 9/11? Would Lower Manhattan have become a stagnant museum without the system shock? Would Midtown have become mediocre without the new energy thrust into the identity of New York? In fact, I think I'll start a thread on that.

Ugh. This has become horribly disrespectful. Its not about being better or worse. Its not "better" that 3000 people senselessly died. 9-11 scarred thousands of families, a city, and a nation. I highly doubt any victim or their family would consider a redecoration of the skyline as a value for their life or the life of a loved one, let alone 3000 fold.

This thread exists because this city, the US government, and the people of New York think that rebuilding the site is part of a national catharsis, of healing. The business community values replacing lost office space as part of the business of making one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in the world profitable. Lets be thankful that we are rebuilding in a way that dignifies this city and its victims, and not talk about peoples lives as if mass murder was under consideration as a mechanism for improving the skyline.

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Source: Maddow Blog, MSNBC

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Source: Maddow Blog, MSNBC

sterlippo1 · #**13382** Posted **May 4, 2011, 12:51 AM**

^^^ excellent

Matt · #**13383** Posted **May 4, 2011, 3:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYCLuver

May 1st, 2011

I know it's an optical illusion, but I LOVE the appearance of the ESB's spire/antenna perched atop Goldman Sachs. Just step back and imagine if that optical illusion were one building, if Goldman Sachs really had a spire like that. I mean... how friggin' AWESOME!!! Really gives the building some character, almost like it's transplanted out of Perth or Melbourne.

Too bad for optical illusions...

sw5710 · #**13384** Posted **May 4, 2011, 5:59 AM**

RIP ZEN. Miss you.

Fishman92 · #**13385** Posted **May 4, 2011, 6:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Alliance

Click for massive image:

Source: Maddow Blog, MSNBC

Amazing image, I love it. I just love it when NY turns blue at night- and that's gonna make the freedom tower look awesome.

philip · #**13386** Posted **May 4, 2011, 7:56 AM**

One of the best claddings in NYC!

sw5710 · #**13387** Posted **May 4, 2011, 9:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by QUEENSNYMAN

So when can we expect the next floor to go up, (65th) ?

Next week. 64,65th floors.

Angel In The City · #**13388** Posted **May 4, 2011, 10:34 AM**

I think you people should know this, since Zen was active forumer here too..

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Originally Posted by Zensteeldude

I am sorry to inform you that the forum member that you all knew as Zensteeldude died from injuries sustained in an auto accident on April 20th, the day before his 49th birthday.

Know that his wife and three children are alive and well and coping with this tragedy as best they can. This is the LAST post from Zen. God bless us all.

Linda

hunser · #**13389** Posted **May 4, 2011, 11:25 AM**

R.I.P. Zen, you will be sadly missed.

Domamania · #**13390** Posted **May 4, 2011, 11:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by hunser

R.I.P. Zen, you will be sadly missed.

O MY GOD, Zen, I will miss you greatly, you were a huge piece of these forums. On the behalf of my self and my family we wish zen's family our most sorrow of condolences. Zensteeldude, I am surely going to miss you, and your presence here wont be forgotten, I promise.

xnyr · #**13391** Posted **May 4, 2011, 1:49 PM**

My condolences go out to Zen's family.....

Thanks for letting us know, Angel.

Plokoon11 · #**13392** Posted **May 4, 2011, 2:10 PM**

Man that is really sad. RIP Zensteel
my thoughts and prayers go out to your family.

RockMont · #**13393** Posted **May 4, 2011, 2:53 PM**

I too am sorry about this. He was a major contributor to this site, but more importantly, being who he was in the real world. A father, husband and the whole works. May God speed his love.

RockMont · #**13394** Posted **May 4, 2011, 2:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Troubadour

Which raises the OT-but-still-interesting alternate history question, will the NY skyline ultimately be better or worse because of 9/11? Would Lower Manhattan have become a stagnant museum without the system shock? Would Midtown have become mediocre without the new energy thrust into the identity of New York? In fact, I think I'll start a thread on that.

Obviously it won't be the same, with the new buildings, but it definitely won't be worse. We'll just have to wait and see if it will be better or not with the new buildings. Once they're done it'll be better than it is now.

upNaway · #**13395** Posted **May 4, 2011, 4:45 PM**

RIP Zen i am glad to have met you on this forum as you taught me how the wtc would be constucted and how things worked in constuction if i ever needed the answer to anything you where the man with the answer so i thank you so much for your wisdom RIP.

animatedmartian · #**13396** Posted **May 4, 2011, 5:43 PM**

That's sad to hear. RIP Zen.

A news article interviews one of the workers of WTC and shows off an awesome view from inside the tower, although it's a bit dated.

Cincinnati.com

I can only imagine what it'll be like as an office worker having this view.

Onn · #**13397** Posted **May 4, 2011, 6:29 PM**

I'm sorry to hear about Zen, it's unfortunate he won't get to see the site finished.

NYYskyline · #**13398** Posted **May 4, 2011, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Matt

I know it's an optical illusion, but I LOVE the appearance of the ESB's spire/antenna perched atop Goldman Sachs. Just step back and imagine if that optical illusion were one building, if Goldman Sachs really had a spire like that. I mean... how friggin' AWESOME!!! Really gives the building some character, almost like it's transplanted out of Perth or Melbourne.

Too bad for optical illusions...

jw what is the name of the building that is covering the empire state building. I can see the antenna of the Empire State Building

ArabianNights1 · #**13399** Posted **May 4, 2011, 8:22 PM**

I don't get it. I mean, I don't get it. Know what I mean. Like, I'm on my own...

also very sorry to hear about the death of zen. it is an unhappy world we live in at times

Traynor · #**13400** Posted **May 4, 2011, 8:23 PM**

I am deeply saddened to learn of Zen's tragic loss. He and I butted heads on many occasions on these sites, but in private messages had become good friends.

Although no one has officially died so far in the construction of these towers, I will never be able to think of them that way again. We have lost a friend, a teacher, a mentor and a buddy.

You were so proud of these towers. Their design, their construction and most importantly you were so proud of all the people involved in their construction. No one wanted to see these towers finished more than you and I hope someone in New York will lay some flowers at the memorial in your name when they are done.

My thoughts are with your family and I wish they find the solace they deserve in this tragic time.

God bless you Chris, I will miss you.

Mitchell