Federal Elections

[Cre47]

NDP could be sweeping the entire city of Gatineau. It is pretty certain they will win Hull-Aylmer (finally a party change in this riding), Gatineau and potentially Pontiac. Yes Minister Cannon is in danger of losing his seat.

On the Ottawa side, I would say that three Tory seats are in danger including Baird which would be a good thing due to his constant arrogance in the media and in the Commons. In a fantasy world, I would wish also that Pollievre gets the boot. You cannot have a worst MP in terms of attitude than this guy. Although in realistic terms, his seat is most likely safe but I could be wrong (hopefully!).

[Admiral Nelson]

Originally Posted by Cre47

NDP could be sweeping the entire city of Gatineau. It is pretty certain they will win Hull-Aylmer (finally a party change in this riding), Gatineau and potentially Pontiac. Yes Minister Cannon is in danger of losing his seat.

On the Ottawa side, I would say that three Tory seats are in danger including Baird which would be a good thing due to his constant arrogance in the media and in the Commons. In a fantasy world, I would wish also that Pollievre gets the boot. You cannot have a worst MP in terms of attitude than this guy. Although in realistic terms, his seat is most likely safe but I could be wrong (hopefully!).

Is there any indication of how tight the race is in Ottawa West-Nepean? I'm worried that with the NDP rising in the polls, the anti-Harper vote won't coalesce around the liberal candidate as it did in 2008. Would dearly like to rid parliament of Baird

[Cre47]

Originally Posted by Admiral Nelson

Is there any indication of how tight the race is in Ottawa West-Nepean? I'm worried that with the NDP rising in the polls, the anti-Harper vote won't coalesce around the liberal candidate as it did in 2008. Would dearly like to rid parliament of Baird

I don't know, I find it unfortunate that none of the local pollsters or the main pollsters who conducting riding pollings just to give us a clear indication that.

The Citizen did endorse John Baird, although the paper had some head-scratching endorsements, such as not-endorsing Renfrew-Nippissing-Pembrooke MP Cheryl Gallant in a very right-wing riding but especially in Ottawa-Vanier where they are endorsing the Conservative candidate prooving that the paper didn't do its homework as far as studying the demographics there. Hum, there is a large student population as far as I know and there are numerous low-income neighborhoods, all of which should be non-favorable to the Tories. Do they seriously think that Rockliffe Park will make the difference in that riding?

Some MPs though might have some bad surprises... my current incumbent MP in Hull-Aylmer might be one of them.

[lrt's friend]

I will be quite content with unexpected and unpredicted change. The arrogance of the old line parties needs to be upset. The ongoing character assasination from the Conservatives was contemptable. The demands for a majority government as a platform plank was outrageous. It is time for the citizens to take back their government and give them all a big kick in the ass. It is time for our government to serve us and not themselves.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I will be quite content with unexpected and unpredicted change. The arrogance of the old line parties needs to be upset. The ongoing character assasination from the Conservatives was contemptable. The demands for a majority government as a platform plank was outrageous. It is time for the citizens to take back their government and give them all a big kick in the ass. It is time for our government to serve us and not themselves.

I don't think it was outrageous its like the ndp or liberals saying vote us in and give us the power all partys do it and there is nothing worng with it.If the ndp get into power canada will become a country that is well where the gov takes care of most thing some would say thats good some would say thats not and is a form of socialism we would become a true nanny state.My biggest concern with the ndp is the bill 101 and there immigration policys as for the 1st it would cause alot of harm to the job market as for the other if they open the flood gates to immigration well that will not help canada in any way.

[rodionx]

All the incumbents on the Ottawa side look pretty safe. The NDP isn't a big factor in any of the ridings except for Ottawa Centre, which they already hold. A big chunk of Ottawans voted over Easter, anyway.

Quebec side is more interesting. I could definitely see the NDP taking Gatineau and maybe Hull Aylmer as well. As for Pontiac, it's a complete mystery. Considering their history of voting for whoever can bring the goods, Cannon probably has the edge there.

[Ottawan]

Disclaimer: Slightly partisan comments relating to the topic of conversation above are followed by my non-partisan predictions for the Ottawa area.

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I just find it ironic that people vote for the NDP for "change" and because it's not one of the "old parties". Jack Layton is a career politician far more than any of the other leaders, and the NDP platform is populist, not principled. There are good reasons to vote NDP if you believe in some of their planks, and they are willing to compromise and work with other parties - but do they represent a new form of politics? No.

I've voted for each of the major parties (including Green, and even uncharacteristically for someone on this forum, Tory). I feel that the Liberals are getting a bad rap this election - they do represent a more respectful tone of politics than the Tories, and have a decent platform.

Whoever a voter ultimately supports, I believe that unless specifically swayed by a local candidate, people really should check out all the party websites and determine who has the better & more realistic platform rather than simply following instinct based upon often inaccurate media stories.

To get a true sense of Ignatieff and what the Liberals are offering this time, you should check out this video: http://www.liberal.ca/#media/video/hQGDDoMUd0A
Contrast it with the Conservative platform and the NDP platform.

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Predictions:

Ottawa Centre - Remains NDP
Ottawa South - Remains Liberal
Ottawa-Vanier - Remains Liberal
Ottawa-Orleans - Becomes Liberal (Conservative incumbent loses)
Ottawa West-Nepean - Baird stays in, but it's a surprisingly close call.
Carleton-Mississippi Mills - Remains Conservative
Nepean-Carleton - Remains Conservative
Gatineau - Goes NDP (Bloc Incumbent loses)
Hull-Aylmer - Stays Liberal
Pontiac - Stays Conservative, but only because of Liberal-NDP vote-splitting.

This isn't necessarily my preferred result, but my reasoned predictions of what is likely to happen.

[reidjr]

Ottawan
I am not sure if i would go as far as saying the liberals have a more respectful tone all party could be much better how they handle things.

[Admiral Nelson]

Originally Posted by reidjr

Ottawan
I am not sure if i would go as far as saying the liberals have a more respectful tone all party could be much better how they handle things.

Seriously? While most opposition ads have focused on policy issues, the Conservatives consistently focus on character assassination. Even before elections were called, the Conservatives ran disgusting campaigns against Dion ("not a leader") in 2008 and Ignatieff in 2010 ("just visiting").

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Admiral Nelson

Seriously? While most opposition ads have focused on policy issues, the Conservatives consistently focus on character assassination. Even before elections were called, the Conservatives ran disgusting campaigns against Dion ("not a leader") in 2008 and Ignatieff in 2010 ("just visiting").

I am not a fan of any attack ads from any party and yes the attack ads on dion and iggy was uncalled for but other partys have run attack ads in the past that have been uncalled for as well.Lets not forget certain partys said well before the budget was to come out they would vote aginst it now how is that doing the best for the country.

[LVND_W2NX]

Originally Posted by reidjr

I am not a fan of any attack adds from any party and yes the attack add on dion and iggy was uncalled for but the liberals etc have run attack adds in the past that have been uncalled for as well.Lets not forget certain partys said well before the budget was to come out they would vote aginst it now how is that doing the best for the country.

all attack ads are bad! parties should be working together to do what is best for the country! :shakes fist:

[Cre47]

I've just blasted the Citizen's endorsement of a Conservative majority in their comments page, saying they haven't done their homework and supporting a scandal-plegged government. And clearly this paper didn't do its homework.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Cre47

I've just blasted the Citizen's endorsement of a Conservative majority in their comments page, saying they haven't done their homework and supporting a scandal-plegged government. And clearly this paper didn't do its homework.

While i don't support harper & company people have the right to support who they want it would be a sad state if everyone supported one party.

[adam-machiavelli]

How anyone can even show one iota of support to a party that has been found in contempt of parliament and who's leader refused to say that he would accept the decision of the Governor General, even if it is in opposition to his own wishes is completely beyond my understanding.

After a bloody battle, Ivory Coast just finally got rid of its leader who refused to submit to the wishes of superior authorities. I seriously hope Harper doesn't make us go down such an awful path. It seems implausible now that such a thing could happen in Canada. However, given our government's desire for authoritarian-style mass arrests last summer, nothing should be seen as implausible anymore.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by adam-machiavelli

How anyone can even show one iota of support to a party that has been found in contempt of parliament and who's leader refused to say that he would accept the decision of the Governor General, even if it is in opposition to his own wishes is completely beyond my understanding.

After a bloody battle, Ivory Coast just finally got rid of its leader who refused to submit to the wishes of superior authorities. I seriously hope Harper doesn't make us go down such an awful path. It seems implausible now that such a thing could happen in Canada. However, given our government's desire for authoritarian-style mass arrests last summer, nothing should be seen as implausible anymore.

Yes they were found in contempt but lets not forget other partys have had issues in the past such as the liberal ad scam and the reason the liberals were not found in contempt was because there were the majority and your not going to kick your self out of power.As for comparing canada to the ivory coast thats going a bit over the top its been many mahy years of issues in that area that lead up to what is going on now it did not happen over night.There is no chance that will happen inc anada will people be upset if haprer gets a majority yes but far far more would be up set if there is a deal with the liberals/ndp/bloc and try and take power this would not go over well with the majority.

[adam-machiavelli]

Ah yes...the typical reaction of a conservative supporter is to deflect attention away from their own problems. The Liberals have done bad things too. I'm sure we could open a whole new thread on what the Liberals have done. However right now we're discussing the Conservatives. You only make your dear party look worse with that improper reaction. The right thing to do would have been to acknowledge your leader's problems, apologize, and beg the rest of the country for forgiveness. Also, do not ever ever say what the majority of Canadians want. A majority of Canadians almost never agree on the same thing. Your comments only make you appear arrogant and patronizing -therefore humiliating yourself and your party even further. A majority of Canadians have only been in agreement on one issue in recent memory and that's that they don't want a government made up of Conservatives.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Cre47

I've just blasted the Citizen's endorsement of a Conservative majority in their comments page, saying they haven't done their homework and supporting a scandal-plegged government. And clearly this paper didn't do its homework.

I don't like the citizens backing of the harper gov but what can we do about it nothing.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by adam-machiavelli

Ah yes...the typical reaction of a conservative supporter is to deflect attention away from their own problems. The Liberals have done bad things too. I'm sure we could open a whole new thread on what the Liberals have done. However right now we're discussing the Conservatives. You only make your dear party look worse with that improper reaction. The right thing to do would have been to acknowledge your leader's problems, apologize, and beg the rest of the country for forgiveness. Also, don't not ever ever say what the majority of Canadians want. A majority of Canadians almost never agree on the same thing. Your comments only make you appear arrogant and patronizing -therefore humiliating yourself and your party even further. A majority of Canadians have only been in agreement on one issue in recent memory and that's that they don't want a government made up of Conservatives.

Did you not read what i said i no longer support harper for many reason bottom line is i won't be voting for him.It may have looked like i was defending him i was not i am just sick of how high and mighty some liberal supporters are they act like there party is perfect.As for a majority your right most including my sel don't want harper as a pm but aslo a vast many don't want a deal where the ndp-liberals-bloc share power that would be a nightmare for many people.

[Ottawan]

Originally Posted by reidjr

Did you not read what i said i no longer support harper for many reason bottom line is i won't be voting for him.It may have looked like i was defending him i was not i am just sick of how high and mighty some liberal supporters are they act like there party is perfect.As for a majority your right most including my sel don't want harper as a pm but aslo a vast many don't want a deal where the ndp-liberals-bloc share power that would be a nightmare for many people.

I somehow fail to see the arrogance, or using your phrase, the "high and mighty" nature of my simple request that people actually consider each party's platform and use that as a basis for casting their vote, merely confident that I feel this time the Liberal platform holds out the best.

I don't believe the subsequent comments that you take issue with are specifically related to Liberals, but rather were solely anti-Conservative.

[reidjr]

Originally Posted by Ottawan

I somehow fail to see the arrogance, or using your phrase, the "high and mighty" nature of my simple request that people actually consider each party's platform and use that as a basis for casting their vote, merely confident that I feel this time the Liberal platform holds out the best.

I don't believe the subsequent comments that you take issue with are specifically related to Liberals, but rather were solely anti-Conservative.

I should have been more clear i was not talking about your remarks per say my point i am trying to make is most partys have issues sure maybe not as bad at this time as the consertives but still they have issues.