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Downtown Austin Emerging Projects poster. It's finally been updated, in March.

http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/downtown/downloads/emerging_poster_march_2011.pdf
     
     
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Downtown Austin Emerging Projects poster. It's finally been updated, in March.

http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/downtown/downloads/emerging_poster_march_2011.pdf
(Just as seen in post #8757 three days ago: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5251041&postcount=8757)
     
     
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Whoops. Might wanna say what your links are next time.
     
     
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Whoops. Might wanna say what your links are next time.
Point taken.

They're spectacular links. How's that?
     
     
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Point taken.

They're spectacular links. How's that?
Agreed. Can anybody comment on the status of some of these? Block 52? Gables Republic Park? Shoal Creek Walk? AquaTerra?
     
     
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Planning Commission to take up ambitious road map for downtown's future

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Updated: 9:56 p.m. Monday, April 25, 2011
Published: 9:44 p.m. Monday, April 25, 2011

An ambitious vision for the future of Austin's downtown goes before the city's Planning Commission tonight, the last stop before the plan goes to the City Council.

The Downtown Austin Plan outlines goals to shape the future of the city's core for the next 10 years and beyond.

The 180-page plan, developed over the past four years, includes more than 100 recommendations to help make downtown economically strong, culturally vibrant, and more livable and diverse, all while preserving the historical districts and authentic Austin character.

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I saw this. The only real issue I have is the "Lower Shoal Creek" title. It. is. "The Seaholm District"....NOT LSC. Seaholm flows better, and makes more sense...especially after development of the plant + the new central library.



     
     
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We've got to identify downtown as much bigger than just that. In terms of development and growing our city, the East Side of town has begun to be joined to what we call "downtown" in terms of development and nightlife, and should have the same kind of focused planning to finally reconnect what 35 divided.
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We've got to identify downtown as much bigger than just that. In terms of development and growing our city, the East Side of town has begun to be joined to what we call "downtown" in terms of development and nightlife, and should have the same kind of focused planning to finally reconnect what 35 divided.
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Merriam-Webster defines downtown as "of, relating to, or located in the lower part or business center of a city".

I agree with that conceptualization of downtown and actually believe that the city has a longstanding habit of describing downtown too broadly. Section 1 is really what would be called "downtown". The urban core, as opposed to downtown, is what you see superimposed onto that map (although I would also include the University proper and West Campus as part of what is considered the urban core).

The inner city is a broader area which would include the inner east side (to varying degrees along each corridor, but usually stopping short of Pleasant Valley/Chestnut), the west end (5th & 6th out to MoPac), North Campus, North Lamar/Guadalupe up until just past the Triangle (although Burnet is also beginning to resemble something of an inner city type corridor with the developments around Lawnmont), South Lamar extending just short of Manchaca, S. 1st and S. Congress until Oltorf, Barton Springs Road/Riverside inside of 35. Riverside east of 35 will be urban-ish eventually, but isn't there yet. Keep in mind that this only includes the corridors themselves. The actual neighborhoods astride these corridors (Hyde Park, Old West, Bouldin, Travis Heights, Barton Hills, etc.) have little to no urban character and can hardly be called inner city by any definition apart from their proximity to downtown.
     
     
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I don't think we need to change what we consider the boundaries of downtown to be, so much as we need to accept that an area doesn't have to be labeled downtown to accommodate dense development.

Of course we already accept this notion, and the city does as well to an extent, but I mean the people of this city in general. Neighborhood associations in particular need to realize that in order to counteract smaller family sizes, which has led to a need to close schools, many more housing units will need to be fit into already built-out areas.
     
     
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I don't think we need to change what we consider the boundaries of downtown to be, so much as we need to accept that an area doesn't have to be labeled downtown to accommodate dense development.

Of course we already accept this notion, and the city does as well to an extent, but I mean the people of this city in general. Neighborhood associations in particular need to realize that in order to counteract smaller family sizes, which has led to a need to close schools, many more housing units will need to be fit into already built-out areas.
Agreed, to an extent. In housing matters I actually occupy a middle ground between the associations and the prevailing view here: I believe that the only new housing within the central portion of the city should exist in the form of VMU development along major corridors with particularly high density nodes at major intersections (2222 and Lamar is a good example).

This, perhaps not coincidentally, is almost identical to the position that has been staked out by the city. There are a few parcels of land that aren't on the inner city major corridors that present interesting development potential, but not many (that huge field at 45th and Bull Creek - which is probably undeveloped because of flood plain issues, the old Municipal fields, Highland Mall, the office park at 2222 and MoPac - which I believe is a great location for VMU if LoneStar happens or if any commuter rail in the future is located in that corridor, etc.). I actually believe that maintaining the cohesive nature of central neighborhoods is vital for their survival, and dense development actually within them is counterintuitive.

Also, with respect to density, the areas around downtown are almost always going to have higher density than downtown itself because of downtown's relatively higher percentage of space dedicated towards business/consumer and recreational/civic uses.

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I would support a major upzoning for much of Central Austin, neighborhood interiors included. I think what's being done in West Campus is an example of what could be done in many neighborhoods throughout Central Austin.
     
     
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I would support a major upzoning for much of Central Austin, neighborhood interiors included. I think what's being done in West Campus is an example of what could be done in many neighborhoods throughout Central Austin.
There's a major difference between the neighborhoods abutting campus and the neighborhoods elsewhere: those in the former group have a natural base of population to draw their residents from (the University as a revolving door), those in the latter do not. In fact, those in the latter almost certainly have other areas competing (and beating) them for our prospective urban population (Downtown). You also have the problem of neighborhood opposition... It is, politically, much easier (though still not easy by any reasonable metric) to compromise with the NIMBYs than to simply override them. Those NIMBYs only exist in the neighborhoods away from UT. There really isn't much opposition to development in West Campus and North Campus (primarily because of that revolving door phenomenon).

There are also a litany of problems associated with allowing high density development within the interior of cohesive neighborhoods: desirable incoming transplants choose to locate elsewhere due to curb appeal issues, desirable current residents move away for similar reasons, density is spread too thin to be effective from a walkability/bikeability standpoint and hence loses its desirability from the standpoint of those who prefer urban living, and the fact that the density is only moderate also impairs the cost effectiveness of mass transit which then precludes expansions of the system.

Allowing high density only along predetermined corridors fixes all these problems: development is centered and focused so that walkability/bikeability/mass transit is maximized, the interior cohesiveness is largely maintained and hence stays similarly vibrant as it is today. The main problem with our interior neighborhoods is not that they aren't desirable (cities like San Antonio, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc. have those problems, we thankfully do not), it is that the schools are not attended at the rates for which they were built. Allowing development along the corridors fixes the problem in the same way that allowing it within the neighborhoods does, except without the negative effects.

Perhaps, in 25-50 years down the line when we are nearing the point at which VMU development along the major corridors is no longer possible because of build-out, it might be worth considering allowing denser development within some nodes inside the neighborhoods themselves. At that point, though, there will still be more desirable places to locate density: Brackenridge, historic downtowns of Round Rock and Elgin, Domain, Camp Mabry (if, at some point, it is shut down through realignment), etc.

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There's a major difference between the neighborhoods abutting campus and the neighborhoods elsewhere: those in the former group have a natural base of population to draw their residents from (the University as a revolving door), those in the latter do not. In fact, those in the latter almost certainly have other areas competing (and beating) them for our prospective urban population (Downtown). You also have the problem of neighborhood opposition... It is, politically, much easier (though still not easy by any reasonable metric) to compromise with the NIMBYs than to simply override them. Those NIMBYs only exist in the neighborhoods away from UT. There really isn't much opposition to development in West Campus and North Campus (primarily because of that revolving door phenomenon).

There are also a litany of problems associated with allowing high density development within the interior of cohesive neighborhoods: desirable incoming transplants choose to locate elsewhere due to curb appeal issues, desirable current residents move away for similar reasons, density is spread too thin to be effective from a walkability/bikeability standpoint and hence loses its desirability from the standpoint of those who prefer urban living, the fact that the density is only moderate also impairs the cost effectiveness of mass transit which then precludes expansions of the system.

Allowing high density only along predetermined corridors fixes all these problems: development is centered and focused so that walkability/bikeability/mass transit is maximized, the interior cohesiveness is largely maintained and hence stays similarly vibrant as it is today. The main problem with our interior neighborhoods is not that they aren't desirable (cities like San Antonio, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc. have those problems, we thankfully do not), it is that the schools are not attended at the rates for which they were built. Allowing development along the corridors fixes the problem in the same way that allowing it within the neighborhoods does, except without the negative effects.

Perhaps, in 25-50 years down the line when we are nearing the point at which VMU development along the major corridors is no longer possible because of build-out, it might be worth considering allowing denser development within some nodes inside the neighborhoods themselves. At that point, though, there will still be more desirable places to locate density: Brackenridge, historic downtowns of Round Rock and Elgin, Domain, Camp Mabry (if, as some point, it is shut down through realignment), etc.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2011, 2:29 AM
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It doesn't matter so much what areas we call "downtown." It's mostly psychological. What matters is how those areas are zoned. You can have areas north, south, east or west of what is officially considered downtown and still have tall buildings. An example of that is the Hyatt and handful of midrises south of the river and the RBJ Tower east of I-35 and south of the river. At the same time you can have areas that are officially considered downtown but have them be low density and lowrise. An example of that are the old houses on the northeast side of downtown. They're inside of downtown, but that area is lowrise mostly and mostly less dense since they're "single family" even though most are actually occupied by small businesses.

Expanding the official boundaries is nice and all, but without dense zoning designation it doesn't matter what you call it.

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I agree with that conceptualization of downtown and actually believe that the city has a longstanding habit of describing downtown too broadly. Section 1 is really what would be called "downtown". The urban core, as opposed to downtown, is what you see superimposed onto that map (although I would also include the University proper and West Campus as part of what is considered the urban core).
The area that map shows as being downtown has been officially considered that for a long time. For probably more than 100 years.

By the way, while UT and West Campus are certainly part of the urban core these days, just a little over 100 years ago that whole area was single family homes on the edge of town. Hyde Park was largely developed to replace what was cannibalized by the University of Texas. There were even a lot of single family homes right in downtown. Even the Capitol complex was filled with them.
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