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Old Posted Apr 19, 2011, 7:04 AM
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Sadly, its not hard to picture the banality that will ensue. One only has to look at W. Broadway to see what's coming down the pike for Cambie.
More banal than what is already there? Really?
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2011, 7:11 AM
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Out of curiosity, do you own a house? Ever had somebody plonk an eight story building across the lane from it?
I have no desire to purchase a SFH. Those kinds of neighborhoods have no life and bore the hell out of me. I find them to be generally quite aesthetically unpleasant as well, unless the area is very wealthy. Even then there is still the sleepy, zombie-esque factor.

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As to denser neighbourhoods being "better" - I've lived in appartments, condos and single family homes and by far the most "liveable" neighbourhoods were SFH, where the owners were far more civically engaged and community minded.
My experience is entirely the opposite. So what exactly does your point prove?

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Old Posted Apr 19, 2011, 8:06 AM
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Whatnext, thank you for the link. I have only had a short time to review it, but it looks like "Community Visions" are more touchy-feely generalizations led by the community as opposed to official community/neighbourhood plans prepared by staff. Obviously they are a starting point but it doesn't look like they have any teeth. The RPSC Vision also said that buildings above 4 storeys on the Little Mountain site were not supported and wouldn't be brought forward as an option. They were talking about towers on that site as early as 2009.

It is unfortunate for the residents who took part in these community visions, but it appears (through what looks like pretty blatant disregard by staff) that they were only a exercise to placate residents rather than serve as an actual basis for planning policy.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2011, 5:21 PM
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My experience is entirely the opposite. So what exactly does your point prove?
Fortunately in internet-land you'll never have to prove it. I'd challenge most highrise condo-dwellers to identify even 20% of their neighbours by name and the ratio for apartment renters is even worse.
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Whatnext, thank you for the link. I have only had a short time to review it, but it looks like "Community Visions" are more touchy-feely generalizations led by the community as opposed to official community/neighbourhood plans prepared by staff. Obviously they are a starting point but it doesn't look like they have any teeth. The RPSC Vision also said that buildings above 4 storeys on the Little Mountain site were not supported and wouldn't be brought forward as an option. They were talking about towers on that site as early as 2009.

It is unfortunate for the residents who took part in these community visions, but it appears (through what looks like pretty blatant disregard by staff) that they were only a exercise to placate residents rather than serve as an actual basis for planning policy.
As you say, that doesn't reflect badly on the residents, it reflects badly on the City. And lets be honest, its the people who get out and get involved in these projects that make a city livable, not some bureuacrat who like as not commutes in from Coquitlam.

As I said upthread, Gregor & Co. will also discover to their chagrin that these are the same folks who will get heavily mobilized when they get pissed off and they will turn out for civic elections.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2011, 5:38 PM
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Knowing who one's neighbours are is not some universally-defining criteria for what makes an area livable. For you, personally, perhaps it is.

Within my neighbourhood, I am acquainted with a variety of people. You connect running into each other on the street, at work, in various businesses. It is akin to Jane Jacob's vision of the city. Is this sense of community alone what makes the West End livable for me? No, although it is appreciated.

Am I trying to deny someone's right to prefer a SFH neighbourhood? No, my point is that it is impractical to expect that kind of suburban lull to remain along a major urban corridor.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2011, 4:24 AM
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Looks like we're getting close to the final plans for the corridor. Here are the latest core area group meeting boards. Lots of great info.

King Edward
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/ca...hase2/pdf/11apr/kingedward11apr11CAG.pdf

Oakridge/Langara
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/cambiecorridor/public/phase2/pdf/11apr/oakridge11apr12CAG.pdf

Marine Landing
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/ca...e2/pdf/11apr/marinelanding11apr18CAG.pdf


Here is the Draft copy for the complete corridor. As looks like this won't be the end of things and that there will be further work taking place on the immediate surrounding area.

http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/cambiecorridor/resources/pdf/DraftCambieCorridorPlan.pdf

Note it's almost 15MB so it might be better to d/l it before opening.
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The plan seems to suggest 3 story stacked townhouses for the surrounding neighborhoods. I can't see anybody being offended by these, and they would bring in pretty good density. A double lot could accommodate at least 9 units.
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This goes to council next Thursday May 5th.

Given that there is a substantial amount of opposition from residents in the area, I strongly urge SSPers to send a note to the mayor & council reminding them why this plan is important and why it should proceed:

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Old Posted Apr 27, 2011, 10:29 PM
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The plan seems to suggest 3 story stacked townhouses for the surrounding neighborhoods. I can't see anybody being offended by these, and they would bring in pretty good density. A double lot could accommodate at least 9 units.
i don't know - i saw a news story last year of an area resident he just spent something like $500,000 building a roof top deck and he was very angry that the city was even thinking of allowing such "tall" buildings which would block his newly constructed view
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Old Posted May 5, 2011, 6:04 AM
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I had just recently posted the draft plan, the final (not yet approved) plan is now available. This one will be tough as the city has 115 people lined up to speak on the matter, but I don't think this one will be turned down. We'll have to wait and see another week or so.

Cambie Corridor Appendix A
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20110505/documents/csbu2appendixA.pdf

Cambie Corridor Appendix B-H
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20110505/documents/csbu2appendixbtoh.pdf

I feel the plan while not perfect imo, it's pretty damn good.
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Seems like people don't like reading documents with too many words in them.

Here's the presenation to council, more pictures involved.

http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/ca...phase2/pdf/11may5CouncilPresentation.pdf
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Old Posted May 5, 2011, 10:20 PM
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It seems like a big mistake to have no retail fronting 41st ave. This is already a b-line corridor and will probably have some kind of rail transit in the not too distant future.
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Vancouver considers higher-density housing plans for Cambie Street corridor


By Jeff Lee, Vancouver Sun May 5, 2011 6:01 PM


Vancouver is considering a comprehensive land use plan for five neighbourhoods along the Cambie corridor and Canada Line that will fundamentally alter the way the area looks and develops.

From 16th Avenue to Marine Drive, postwar bungalows, ranchers and modest single-family homes have long occupied most of the frontage of Cambie's wide heritage boulevard. But under a proposal now before council, over the next 30 years the corridor would transform into a series of denser "transit-oriented" neighbourhoods with multiple-unit condos ranging from four storeys in the north to 12 storeys at Oakridge to 36 storeys at Marine Drive.

The plan, which could see as many as 14,000 new residents in the corridor by 2040, would capitalize on the new Canada Line and result in taller buildings lining the corridor. It is being supported by developers and hailed as visionary planning by some of the city's leading architects.

Planning director Brent Toderian described it to council as "the largest and most complex area planning exercise in the city's history." It covers the Riley Park, Oakridge, Langara, Marpole and South Cambie neighbourhoods.

But it's also raising concerns of some longtime residents who worry the dramatic changes being proposed will wreck their quiet neighbourhoods.

Todd Constant was the second of 125 speakers signed up to give council their thoughts. He's lived around Cambie and King Edward all his life and watched with consternation as five years of construction for the Canada Line caused his neighbours hardship.

"Now you tell me that because of that (line) you're going to double the density of the neighbourhood?" he told council Thursday. "From my point you're destroying the neighbourhood and the community where we live. And you don't have to."

He said under the plan his home would be surrounded by four-storey buildings that would eliminate his privacy.

But further down Cambie Bill Konnert had a different view. He's lived in the Langara Gardens area for half a century. He remembers when Oakridge and the Langara towers were first proposed and his neighbours set their hair on fire thinking the developments would destroy the area.

"Many of my neighbours signed petition after petition against the Langara highrises, and now they live in them," he said.

"I and many of my neighbours welcome this plan. Not only do we want it, but we need it."

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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Van...orridor/4735685/story.html#ixzz1LXQbBYcX
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I like the Langara gardens story.

Some people just refuse to change.
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Interesting commentary about the City proposing LEED certification as a condition of granting re-zoning:

http://gellersworldtravel.blogspot.com/2011/05/open-letter-to-andrea-reimer-on.html
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Why is Gregor Robertson only hopeful about the 20% rentals goal.

Can the city not zone certain properties for purpose built rental buildings, and wouldn't the zoning of each property dictate the value of the property as to not price certain building types out of the area?
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Interesting commentary about the City proposing LEED certification as a condition of granting re-zoning:

http://gellersworldtravel.blogspot.com/2011/05/open-letter-to-andrea-reimer-on.html
Andrea Reimer needs to start thinking first, twittering later.
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Great news!
It's cool to hear so many renters in the area came out and complained about high prices. 2/3rd support is huge in NIMBY Vancouver.
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