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Old Posted Apr 6, 2011, 4:53 AM
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Right of ways are the only way, as DJ knows, this painted line bullshit is dangerous.

In Amsterdam, home of the bicycle, they are completely separate from the car roadways.
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2011, 6:04 PM
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2011, 6:27 AM
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Since it is 3am right now I will make this short and sweet.

I received an email today confirming that I am now an official member of the Active Transportation Advisory Committee for Regional Council. I will be bringing forward problems and solutions for the Bedford/Sackville area however I am a fair person and as such am willing to bring forward any suggestions or ideas for the entire municipality.





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Old Posted Apr 8, 2011, 10:46 AM
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Since it is 3am right now I will make this short and sweet.

I received an email today confirming that I am now an official member of the Active Transportation Advisory Committee for Regional Council. I will be bringing forward problems and solutions for the Bedford/Sackville area however I am a fair person and as such am willing to bring forward any suggestions or ideas for the entire municipality.
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Congratulations Dmajackson. I can see you becoming involved in Nova Scotia politics sometime in the future and possibly the Prime Minister of Canada at some time in the future.

Now that you are on the Active Transportation Advisory Committee hopefully you will find a way to make cycling in the HRM safer (without completely eliminating cars).
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2011, 11:06 AM
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I received an email today confirming that I am now an official member of the Active Transportation Advisory Committee for Regional Council. I will be bringing forward problems and solutions for the Bedford/Sackville area however I am a fair person and as such am willing to bring forward any suggestions or ideas for the entire municipality.
I have a suggestion for you to bring forward. Please make a motion to dissolve the entire committee and to have HRM cease and desist on all projects related to this concept.

Thank you.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2011, 4:32 PM
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Congrats man!

Maybe you could convince them to slowly upgrade to separate bike lanes to improve safety.
Even a bit at a time using money they would for painting the roads would be better than lines being drawn.
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Old Posted May 1, 2011, 2:17 PM
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Report: Get active on travel

City urged to spend $10 million on bike lanes and other routes
By MICHAEL LIGHTSTONE City Hall Reporter
Sun, May 1 - 4:53 AM






Regional council’s transportation standing committee is recommending councillors consider authorizing $10 million for multi-use trails, bicycle lanes and other active transportation elements in the Halifax area.

A new report to council suggests the municipality look at ways to fund the planned network. It suggests $2 million a year over five years would be appropriate.

"This will affect current and future budgets," says the report, approved by Bruce Fisher, city hall’s acting finance director.

"There may also be future operating costs."

Public consultation would be part of the proposal.

Halifax Regional Municipality’s active transportation plan was approved in principle in 2006.

The report, on the agenda for Tuesday’s council meeting, proposes five major projects:

•Employment centre "spines" in the Woodside area of Dartmouth, Burnside industrial park, Bayers Lake Business Park and on peninsular Halifax.

•Connect and extend the linear parkway in Halifax, near the Mainland Common.

•Develop a Bedford-Sackville corridor, with a trail built along the Little Sackville River.

•Complete active transportation connections in the Alderney area of Dartmouth.

•Construct arterial sidewalks on such streets as Wright Avenue and the Bedford Highway.

The report was released Friday, the day after regional council voted 15-5 to approve the 2011-12 operating and capital budgets. A late-hour budget plan called for the city to spend about $500,000 on active transportation this year, pending funding arrangements.

Coun. Jennifer Watts (Connaught-Quinpool), vice-chairwoman of the transportation committee, said Saturday that building a connected, active transportation network makes sense on more than one level.

She said dishing out millions of dollars on road-widening and other vehicle-related projects lacks foresight.

"We have to have alternatives so people can move around this city in a way that does not depend on single-car traffic," the councillor said. "And whether that’s transit, the other component of that is a really critical (active transportation) network that works for people and allows them to . . . get to school, get to work, get to the grocery store."

Watts said the committee’s recommendation "is out of sync" with the municipality’s budget cycle, "so we’ll have to look at whether we just want to recommend to (regional) council that this be taken in consideration with the capital budget planning."

Coun. Steve Streatch (Eastern Shore-Musquodoboit Valley) called the $10-million notion a low priority. He questioned if some existing active transportation routes in metro are being used.

"Over the years, we have spent millions of dollars on trail systems, walking paths and bike lanes, some of which get very limited use and have maintenance challenges. There would also be no guarantee people would even use new active transportation corridors," he said in an email.

Mayor Peter Kelly feels the plan is too rich for the municipality’s blood, though he said active transportation is important.

Criticizing active transportation as too expensive is missing the big picture, said Watts.

"We certainly have no problem going ahead with major road projects, which are vastly more expensive," she said.

"I don’t think we’re being realistic about how much money we put into car traffic, and we’re not critical of that or understand what that is. We really don’t understand what’s going to be happening in the next 20 years in terms of the impact on the environment and rising oil prices."

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Old Posted May 1, 2011, 7:05 PM
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Comments in the Herald on the aforementioned story are all universally opposed, as they should be. It makes no sense to spend that kind of money on bike infrastructure to cater to a tiny but vocal minority before taking care of the needs of the road and transit systems first.
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Old Posted May 2, 2011, 5:39 PM
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*yawn*

Same boring 1970's answer as ever.

Putting 100% of tax money into a single solution (i.e. more roads) is just as poor a planning process as putting all the money into bike lanes.

What we need more of is an actual integrated transportation policy and planning board... Not more 1970's thinking from an old man. Thank you.
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Old Posted May 2, 2011, 8:03 PM
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I agree about the need for an integrated transportation and planning board, preferably something run by professionals rather than self-appointed councillors. The planning part is key. The city is setting itself up for failure by building sprawling office parks and cul-de-sacs. Unless something changes drastically it will just get worse and worse as time goes on.

The "cars vs. pedestrians/transit/bikes" type thinking ("I don't take the bus so I'm against buses!") is really shortsighted and tiresome. An efficient transportation system benefits even those who drive all the time. If Halifax didn't have walkable older parts and a transit system it would either have horrible traffic or be so gutted and spread out that it would be utterly unremarkable (though some people are fine with a life that consists of a crappy job, TV, and periodic trips to Wal-Mart).

I also hate the attitude that car infrastructure is serious and everything else is frivolous or ought to be of a lower priority. There are plenty of sidewalks and bike routes busier than many roads in Halifax, despite the fact that investment and planning are hugely skewed in favour of cars. Most people in areas like Spring Garden Road are pedestrians and/or take transit, and yet we mostly hear about how parking and traffic are bad. Projects to improve the street for 95% of its users were scuttled over concerns about parking.
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Old Posted May 2, 2011, 11:49 PM
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*yawn*

Same boring 1970's answer as ever.

Putting 100% of tax money into a single solution (i.e. more roads) is just as poor a planning process as putting all the money into bike lanes.

What we need more of is an actual integrated transportation policy and planning board... Not more 1970's thinking from an old man. Thank you.
I guess you missed the "transit" reference in there.

But what can you expect from a doofus member of clueless youth who lives in the south end and wants taxpayers to buy him a road for his designer bike he uses on sunny days.

Seriously, stop with the name-calling. I've been doing it a lot longer than you and can give you stuff that your kiddie ears have never heard before. They wouldn't like it.
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Old Posted May 16, 2011, 3:46 AM
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Congratulations Dmajackson. I can see you becoming involved in Nova Scotia politics sometime in the future and possibly the Prime Minister of Canada at some time in the future.

Now that you are on the Active Transportation Advisory Committee hopefully you will find a way to make cycling in the HRM safer (without completely eliminating cars).
I didn't see this post before.

Thanks fenwick.

Don't worry I may be a cyclist first but I am also a motorist, bus rider, and a pedestrian so I see the need for a balance in terms of Halifax's focus on transportation demand.

At the end of my phototour today I snapped this photo of 1 of only 2 seperated bicycle lanes in HRM (McDonald bridge being the other). This is a very short section of 'Shared Sidewalk' on the Bedford Highway around Mill Cove. It allows bike traffic to get off of the highway and into some shade and as a result is commonly used as a rest stop before climbing Mill Cove Hill. It doesn't do much in the way of making travel safer since merging back onto the road is a bit dangerous but it does bypass an intersection, crosswalk and busy bus stop.

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there doesnt seem to be a sidewalk there so im guessing it acts as both ?
i walked that way before and was a bit confused, aha
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Old Posted May 16, 2011, 4:13 AM
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^ It is a bit strange. Its a 'Shared Sidewalk' so basically anything unmotorized is allowed but that only goes from the Ultramar to the bus stop. North of the bus stop its bikes only. Unofficially all of the bike lanes south of Mill Cove are also sidewalks, bus stops and right-side passing lanes so that extends into this section as well.
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Old Posted May 25, 2011, 12:28 PM
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I guess you missed the "transit" reference in there.

But what can you expect from a doofus member of clueless youth who lives in the south end and wants taxpayers to buy him a road for his designer bike he uses on sunny days.

Seriously, stop with the name-calling. I've been doing it a lot longer than you and can give you stuff that your kiddie ears have never heard before. They wouldn't like it.
Wow, I had completely missed this response while I was away.

SERIOUSLY?! Stop with the name calling?!?! LMFAO The irony is astounding.

This coming from the most condescending loud-mouth on the entire forum? You certainly have no problem name-calling others, giving sarcastic thumbs up to others (which you did to DJ just above, but can't take it when I do it to you?!?!) etc etc, so this sudden apparent thin skin doesn't exactly ring true. You love to take cracks at others, but don't like it done to you? Too f'ing bad big guy, because you are not going to bully me into shutting up when you are an ass.

Basically, I'll stop name-calling and sarcastic comments at you when you stop taking cracks at others which, let's face it, isn't going to happen. It works both ways, so get used to it because you don't get a free pass to be an asshole to others without their being a consequence.

And in terms of your actual comment, no I didn't miss the transit reference at all, but this is a thread on active transportation. You certainly have shown a commitment to all things fossil fuels. However, what I was saying was that a complete integrated plan has to contain the entire spectrum of transit options in varying relative amounts. This mean that some transportation options need to be optimized for cars (e.g. better roads and bridges), some need to be optimized for mass transit (ferries, light rail lines, BRT ROW etc), and some need to optimized for bike/walking (dedicated bike lanes, walking paths etc). It is time for this city to get its head out of its ass and start thinking outside the box in terms of transportation options. Having a transportation structure that revolves completely around travel on roads is a recipe for disaster, and is completely short-sighted.
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I think people are taking things too seriously. I think because posts on this forum are typed instead of spoken, people are taking things too literally.
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My objection was at the other person using the pejorative term "old man" to slag one of my posts. He obviously is not opposed to utilizing personal attacks to attempt to support his positions. He is obviously inexperienced and does not understand that while you can argue one side of a position or another until you are blue in the face on the merits of the position, saying you are wrong because you are an old man or gay or stupid or Asian or fat or bucktoothed or whatever is a PERSONAL INSULT and does not belong on the site. That is why I tore a strip off him using exactly those kind of terms. But it is obvious that he does not get it in the least.
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Give me a break.
Old man is now apparently verboten... calling people left wing loonies, wingnuts etc is just good family fun? Whatever.

I am more than happy to drop the attacks and simply debate the facts of things if you do the same, but don't for a second play the card that you never use perjorative terms and personal attacks. If "old man" does not belong on this site, then neither does "left wing loonie". I am not denying I have gotten pissed and made personal comments, but at least have the honesty to admit you do the same rather than adopting a holier than thou attitude.

No, you know what? This isn't worth debating so Forget it. You are right Keith. You clearly have never ever used a personal insult, called someone by a pejorative term or used extreme sarcasm when debating a point on here, and I can't IMAGINE why I ever thought you did.

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Give me a break.
Old man is now apparently verboten... calling people left wing loonies, wingnuts etc is just good family fun?

When have I ever called any poster here one of those terms? I don't think you will find an example. Those terms are used for people in the public eye who take incorrect positions and are fair game as a result. That important distinction seems to escape you.
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Old Posted May 25, 2011, 9:46 PM
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Ugh, better than a painted line on the actual roadway, but to me this "shared sidewalk" equals too cheap to put in a real sidewalk with the bike path next to it like in Montreal, Amsterdam, etc.
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